Cutting dole for criminals

Kermit.de.frog · 31-10-2015 02:34PM #1

Why is the dole not cut for people that commit criminal acts and get convictions while on social welfare?

Paul Williams mentioned this a few weeks back on the Late Late Show. He said the "bastards" (in this case it was people robbing houses in the country) are "worried about their dole" so he recommended it should be cut.

Seems simple enough? Get a conviction and have your dole either cut by x amount or stopped completely.

It would provide a lot more stick against those involved in serious crime and reassurance for tax payers.

Skylinehead · 31-10-2015 02:38PM

And if they're not on the dole?

kupus · 31-10-2015 02:39PM

sounds good to me,

El Horseboxo · 31-10-2015 02:39PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

And if they're not on the dole?

Fire them and put them on the dole.

Nodin · 31-10-2015 02:39PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why is the dole not cut for people that commit criminal acts and get convictions while on social welfare?

Paul Williams mentioned this a few weeks back on the Late Late Show. He said the "bastards" (in this case it was people robbing houses in the country) are "worried about their dole" so he recommended it should be cut.

Seems simple enough? Get a conviction and have your dole either cut by x amount or stopped completely.

It would provide a lot more stick against those involved in serious crime and reassurance for tax payers.

Yep, cutting the amount of money they have will really help them avoid repeat offences when they get out.

Kenny Bania · 31-10-2015 02:39PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

And if they're not on the dole?

Put them in jail or do whatever was going to be done anyway. The cutting of dole would be in addition.

kupus · 31-10-2015 02:40PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

And if they're not on the dole?

ha haha good one . I needed a good oul laugh

31-10-2015 02:40PM

Would it not simply increase the chances of them stealing...just being a lot more careful about it when it's the only source of income?

mass_debater · 31-10-2015 02:40PM

Would not work as a deterrent, doubt it's legal as a punishment

Atlantic Dawn · 31-10-2015 02:40PM

It shouldn't be cut, instead the cost of the damage or theft they did should be given to their victim at a rate of 30% of their dole each week until it is repayed, this would be a weekly reminder to them of their crime.

Carlos Orange · 31-10-2015 02:41PM

Maybe I'm just old fashioned but could we not just put them in jail.

Nodin · 31-10-2015 02:41PM

kupus wrote: »

ha haha good one . I needed a good oul laugh

You might read up on some that have been caught involved in drugs over the last few years.

Realt Dearg Sec · 31-10-2015 02:41PM

So what do you think they're likely to do with no aces to legal money? Go down to aldi and get a job? Or go down to aldi and clear the registers?

Kermit.de.frog · 31-10-2015 02:41PM

Nodin wrote: »

Yep, cutting the amount of money they have will really help them avoid repeat offences when they get out.

Didn't take long!

So you are afraid of scumbags basically and thus they should be given your money while continuing to engage in crime that might one day have an affect on you?

Mesrine65 · 31-10-2015 02:41PM

Boards.ie very own muppet crusader, fighting a one man crime spree in our fair city :P

Menas · 31-10-2015 02:41PM

The ties between social welfare and the justice system are bad enough as things are. There are cases of people in prison still getting the dole because the two dont talk together!

Nodin · 31-10-2015 02:42PM

psinno wrote: »

Maybe I'm just old fashioned but could we not just put them in jail.

Presumably he means on top of the jail sentence, after its served.

Skylinehead · 31-10-2015 02:42PM

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Put them in jail or do whatever was going to be done anyway. The cutting of dole would be in addition.

But that's "double punishing" someone because they're unemployed. European courts will strike that down pretty quickly.

Saipanne · 31-10-2015 02:42PM

Ironically, increasing it would be more effective.

Realt Dearg Sec · 31-10-2015 02:43PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Didn't take long!

So you are afraid of scumbags basically and thus they should be given your money while continuing to engage in crime that might one day have an affect on you?

It's just not clear how this measure disincentivises crime? Are they more or less likely to commit another crime in this situation? Is your objective to reduce crime, or to get some slightly pointless revenge.

By the way Paul Williams is a total and utter tool.

Red Kev · 31-10-2015 02:44PM

They could start by knocking €30-50 a week off the dole to pay back their free legal aid, or to pay any fines.

Nodin · 31-10-2015 02:45PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Didn't take long!

So you are afraid of scumbags basically and thus they should be given your money while continuing to engage in crime that might one day have an affect on you?

*snicker

Yeah, absolutely.

Let's run this through again. They steal for money a lot of them. They do their time, they get out, and on top of their sentence, they now have to get by (crime free) on a reduced scratcher, while trying to get a job with a criminal record and possibly drug habit. Whats the obvious thing that's going to happen there?

Realt Dearg Sec · 31-10-2015 02:45PM

Red Kev wrote: »

They could start by knocking €30-50 a week off the dole to pay back their free legal aid...

there's something wrong with that sentence, but I just can't put my finger on what.

Sam Kade · 31-10-2015 02:46PM

psinno wrote: »

Maybe I'm just old fashioned but could we not just put them in jail.

Do you know how much it costs to keep a prisoner in jail for a year?
90k last time I checked, old fashioned or not that's a hefty sum.

Kermit.de.frog · 31-10-2015 02:47PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

pointless revenge.

.

I just believe people should be punished effectively in this country if they commit crime. Not about revenge.

There are people living in absolute terror every night of the week in estates across Ireland. Try telling them why little scrotes and their parents should be getting state support.

steddyeddy · 31-10-2015 02:47PM

Yea maybe but what if they're not on the dole? I think inheritance and other assets should be hit too. Charlie Haughy and his family robbed the taxpayer and the state of large sums of money. Now his children are going to the best schools and the family own an island. We need a criminal assets division of revenue.

Kermit.de.frog · 31-10-2015 02:48PM

Red Kev wrote: »

They could start by knocking €30-50 a week off the dole to pay back their free legal aid, or to pay any fines.

Free legal aid is another thing that could be looked at!

Realt Dearg Sec · 31-10-2015 02:49PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yea maybe but what if they're not on the dole? I think inheritance and other assets should be hit too. Charlie Haughy and his family robbed the taxpayer and the state of large sums of money. Now his children are going to the best schools and the family own an island. We need a criminal assets division of revenue.

He's talking about poor people eddy. You know, scrotes...

Iwasfrozen · 31-10-2015 02:49PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Do you know how much it costs to keep a prisoner in jail for a year?
90k last time I checked, old fashioned or not that's a hefty sum.

Time to start cutting costs in prison then.

steddyeddy · 31-10-2015 02:50PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

He's talking about poor people eddy. You know, scrotes...

Ah not people like the Viper or the general then.

Sunnyisland · 31-10-2015 02:56PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yea maybe but what if they're not on the dole? I think inheritance and other assets should be hit too. Charlie Haughy and his family robbed the taxpayer and the state of large sums of money. Now his children are going to the best schools and the family own an island. We need a criminal assets division of revenue.

Ah but this thread is not about good criminals like above and others like them,this is about the bad criminals who are on the dole, the cheek of ya.

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