Today I did some detailing...

Noccy_Mondy · 25-10-2015 08:10PM

Foxhole Norman wrote:

People just don't know!

Yeah, we do, and it's manky! I've yet to pull myself together to go and get an original one. I will in the next few mins :pac:

5W30 · 25-10-2015 09:00PM

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

Yeah, we do, and it's manky! I've yet to pull myself together to go and get an original one. I will in the next few mins :pac:

Sure any excuse to take the car for a spin is a good one

ianobrien · 25-10-2015 09:16PM

Lucozade always reminds me of being in hospital and its something your daft elderly relation brings (in a glass bottle) along with half dried grapes.

Sorry but it does....

Technique · 27-10-2015 08:28PM

What's the leather cleaner? Dr. Leather?

Foxhole Norman · 30-10-2015 01:45AM

Gave the exterior some attention this evening:

-Snow Foamed with 2D Car Care
-Wheels and tyres cleaned with 50. Cal Wheel Cleaner
-2 bucket wash with 2D Car Care Wash and Wax
-Dried
-Tyres Shined with 50. Cal Stealth Tyre Shine
-Body was Quick Detailed with 50. Cal Detailer, which smells amazing.

It was pretty grim:

vectra · 30-10-2015 09:52AM

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Gave the exterior some attention this evening:

-Snow Foamed with 2D Car Care
-Wheels and tyres cleaned with 50. Cal Wheel Cleaner
-2 bucket wash with 2D Car Care Wash and Wax
-Dried
-Tyres Shined with 50. Cal Stealth Tyre Shine
-Body was Quick Detailed with 50. Cal Detailer, which smells amazing.

It was pretty grim:

Golden rule.
Never ever use a "Wash & Wax" shampoo on your detailed car.

Curran · 30-10-2015 10:28AM

Was thinking the same thing! Especially since the car is freshly coated!

Foxhole Norman · 30-10-2015 12:29PM

vectra wrote: »

Golden rule.
Never ever use a "Wash & Wax" shampoo on your detailed car.

Oh I know full well, pretty sure that's what they just call their basic shampoo though.

Curran · 30-10-2015 12:47PM

Well if it doesn't contain wax, why call it Wash and Wax??

MetzgerMeister · 30-10-2015 12:53PM

Curran wrote: »

Well if it doesn't contain wax, why call it Wash and Wax??

I suppose Lucozade orange doesn't contain anything to do with oranges either :pac:

Foxhole Norman · 30-10-2015 01:01PM

Curran wrote: »

Well if it doesn't contain wax, why call it Wash and Wax??

Sales? The description on it only says "a PH neutral shampoo that offers high gloss", it's also what said to pick up and they know my car is detaiked/sealed.

Curran · 30-10-2015 02:17PM

Sales; yes! But if it doesnt contain wax then why would they pull the wool over peoples eyes! But by the description it certainly sounds like it has gloss enhancers (wax of some sort).
Not what I'd recommend someone who has just spent hours polishing and protecting their car...the gloss enhancers in these types of shampoo will usually take away from the finish achieved during your process.
They are more suited to the once a month warriors who are looking for a quick and easy boost in appearance...the ones that are happy when the car looks clean.

Foxhole Norman · 30-10-2015 02:47PM

Curran wrote: »

Sales; yes! But if it doesnt contain wax then why would they pull the wool over peoples eyes! But by the description it certainly sounds like it has gloss enhancers (wax of some sort).
Not what I'd recommend someone who has just spent hours polishing and protecting their car...the gloss enhancers in these types of shampoo will usually take away from the finish achieved during your process.
They are more suited to the once a month warriors who are looking for a quick and easy boost in appearance...the ones that are happy when the car looks clean.

Learn something new all the time! Would it break down the sealant much, if it's say being used once a week?

Curran · 30-10-2015 03:02PM

It probably won't affect your protection in anyway, but it may affect certain aspects of the coating; appearance, the reaction of beading or sheet properties for example.
Using a wash and wax type product will leave a thin layer on top of the coating you applied which would nullify the reasons you bought the coating in the first place.
Often Quick Detailers will have similar results. The reason is manufacturers are blurring the lines of many products.
Quick Detailers in the traditional sense would have been a simple wipe down product; for lifting light dust, finger prints....it would have been quite watery and probably wouldn't have any real affect on coatings....but now quick detailers contain carnauba waxes/polymer sealants extra; which would be decent enough to use as stand alone protection from wash to wash or for weeks at a time. These types of products, while they certainly have their uses, will take away from fresh coatings in certain ways. I only ever use them when my coating is nearing it's last legs and it needs a boost in appearance or to get me by until I get a chance to strip it all back and re-apply.
That said, certain coating, like nano coatings, are sold with maintenance quick detailers/ shampoos and snowfoams, to help keep the nano links clean and boost appearance....but it wouldnt be something you'd go mixing and matching from other manufacturers.

Toyotafanboi · 30-10-2015 03:18PM

Curran wrote: »

They are more suited to the once a month warriors who are looking for a quick and easy boost in appearance...the ones that are happy when the car looks clean.

Ah, but don't say it like there's something wrong with it

Curran · 30-10-2015 03:23PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Ah, but don't say it like there's something wrong with it

Quote where I said there was something wrong with it

Think of it this way....strawberry jam on a bacon sandwich; is there anything wrong with it? No...would you do it? No!

Foxhole Norman · 30-10-2015 03:42PM

Curran wrote: »

It probably won't affect your protection in anyway, but it may affect certain aspects of the coating; appearance, the reaction of beading or sheet properties for example.
Using a wash and wax type product will leave a thin layer on top of the coating you applied which would nullify the reasons you bought the coating in the first place.
Often Quick Detailers will have similar results. The reason is manufacturers are blurring the lines of many products.
Quick Detailers in the traditional sense would have been a simple wipe down product; for lifting light dust, finger prints....it would have been quite watery and probably wouldn't have any real affect on coatings....but now quick detailers contain carnauba waxes/polymer sealants extra; which would be decent enough to use as stand alone protection from wash to wash or for weeks at a time. These types of products, while they certainly have their uses, will take away from fresh coatings in certain ways. I only ever use them when my coating is nearing it's last legs and it needs a boost in appearance or to get me by until I get a chance to strip it all back and re-apply.
That said, certain coating, like nano coatings, are sold with maintenance quick detailers/ shampoos and snowfoams, to help keep the nano links clean and boost appearance....but it wouldnt be something you'd go mixing and matching from other manufacturers.

Ah I see what you mean, I'll give the lads I bought it off a shout as they'll know what the full story is with it. I know this one can also be used with the Lance as foam too but they'll give me a definitive answer I suppose!

vectra · 30-10-2015 03:47PM

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Learn something new all the time! Would it break down the sealant much, if it's say being used once a week?

Yes,

Best plan for that is use it on someones car that just has a wash and go.

Toyotafanboi · 30-10-2015 03:51PM

Curran wrote: »

Quote where I said there was something wrong with it

Think of it this way....strawberry jam on a bacon sandwich; is there anything wrong with it? No...would you do it? No!

it's more the way you said it, you know yourself what i mean

the word "warrior" implicating a battle and aggression and the phrase "happy when it looks clean" implicating that the car is not clean but that the owner is fooled somehow.

i'm not having a go at you as such, maybe you guys are happy with how this forum is tipping away. i'd have a great interest in keeping my car clean, presentable and protected but i do be afraid to post in here sometimes for the fear of being slightly non conformist which always seems to lead to a raft of wink face smilies and smoke and mirrors style comments like what just happened there.

Curran · 30-10-2015 04:02PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

the word "warrior" implicating a battle and aggression and the phrase "happy when it looks clean" implicating that the car is not clean but that the owner is fooled somehow.

You've taken that way out of context!
And more often than not, the cars are never clean...just to washing with one bucket and dragging the dirty water all over the car, leave it to dry with dirty water stains, or missing sections of panels, etc....we all have neighbours like it!

I never said there was anything wrong with it, just that there are better options out there. He's put an awful lot of effort into getting his car into its current extremely presentable state, that I'm sure he'd appreciate a bit of direction in how to keep it that way!! I know I would be very happy someone would take the time out to give a detailed post about why it would be better not using it.

I cant help it if that's how you see someone trying educate and point people in the right direction.

For what it's worth; everyone on this forum is extremely helpful to others and I think you may be taking up the smiley and winking faces as being sarcastic, rather than being friendly.

Foxhole Norman · 30-10-2015 04:10PM

This is exactly why I post here, I'm here to learn, I've just shot D&D a message about it to see what they say, I wouldn't want to degrade what I've done to it.

Curran · 30-10-2015 04:15PM

Don't get me wrong; there is no issue using it, other than it taking away slightly from the coating applied; which was chosen for certain properties it offers.

Foxhole Norman · 30-10-2015 04:16PM

Curran wrote: »

Don't get me wrong; there is no issue using it, other than it defeating the coating applied.

Yeah I know what you mean, it'd just be better to use a straight PH neutral shampoo instead of one which adds a layer of "wax" on top.

*Kol* · 30-10-2015 04:30PM

I am going to give mine the first wash since applying the hydrO2. I guess the same applies regarding the wash and wax?

Toyotafanboi · 30-10-2015 04:46PM

Curran wrote: »

You've taken that way out of context!
And more often than not, the cars are never clean...just to washing with one bucket and dragging the dirty water all over the car, leave it to dry with dirty water stains, or missing sections of panels, etc....we all have neighbours like it!

I never said there was anything wrong with it, just that there are better options out there. He's put an awful lot of effort into getting his car into its current extremely presentable state, that I'm sure he'd appreciate a bit of direction in how to keep it that way!! I know I would be very happy someone would take the time out to give a detailed post about why it would be better not using it.

I cant help it if that's how you see someone trying educate and point people in the right direction.

For what it's worth; everyone on this forum is extremely helpful to others and I think you may be taking up the smiley and winking faces as being sarcastic, rather than being friendly.

i didn't really take it out of context, i directly quoted you.

i just think some of these things are a bit up in the air. like will that product really diminish his finish? how so? how is it measured? what product will react with what? or is it all anecdotal?

it's well known that there comes a pivotal point in ones efforts where some efforts just don't make a markable difference to the task at hand anymore and i wonder is that one of those times? genuinely.

i once had the opportunity to interview one of the MD's of Wurth HQ in Germany through college. it was a rushed affair and we only got one question each, i said i'd ask "what's a good answer to when an employer asks you at an interview - what are your weaknesses"

and their response was, "tell them; i have a tendency to give 110% to everything i do, but sometimes i need to realise that 90% is enough, because sometimes the difference, makes no difference".

now i know they probably stole that from a poet or something, but my genuine question is, do you think the same thing could be said for the shampoo? could the human eye detect a diminishment to the LSP or whatever assuming that the paint condition below the product was 90% correct?

Curran · 30-10-2015 05:01PM

Can the human eye tell the difference? Yes...and no!

No, if it was washed and dried...the human eye will probably no be able to see the difference, but you may notice some smearing when drying.

Yes 100%, if after washing, drying it and it were to rain...the beading may been amazing, and after it, rubbish looking.
Granted that doesn't affect protection but it does appear appearnace; in some people's books!

Sure, to a point there is a point of diminishing returns that apply to certain things. For example 20 layers of wax isn't going to be any more impressive than 2 or 3, we'll it may be slightly in terms of depth, but is it worth the effort of 17 more layers!!

But when something directly affects your hard work such as choosing a shampoo, it's just as easy to pick the right one!

Curran · 30-10-2015 05:05PM

*Kol* wrote: »

I am going to give mine the first wash since applying the hydrO2. I guess the same applies regarding the wash and wax?

Yes, applying a shampoo with Wax in it will result in it being the top layer on the car. So the beading you are accustomed to seeing from the HydrO2, won't be the same. The HydrO2 will still remain underneath, unaffected, but the sharp shiny look may not be as impressive either!

What shampoo do you use?

*Kol* · 30-10-2015 05:41PM

Curran wrote: »

Yes, applying a shampoo with Wax in it will result in it being the top layer on the car. So the beading you are accustomed to seeing from the HydrO2, won't be the same. The HydrO2 will still remain underneath, unaffected, but the sharp shiny look may not be as impressive either!

What shampoo do you use?

I have a Meguiars Ultimate Wash & Wax, Simonize Wash and Wax and Muc-Off Ubershine shampoo. I would tend towards the Ubershine as there is no mention of wax on the bottle.

Curran · 30-10-2015 05:43PM

No familiar with the Muc-Off range; but since it's Ubershine, it may have enhancers in it.

Be no harm using any if you've nothing else!

Foxhole Norman · 30-10-2015 05:46PM

So far anyway it hasn't affected the beading, will see where it goes, I have 5 litres of it now anyway :pac:

Must make another order of you anyway Curran, what Shampoo would you recommend? Have you any large quantities available? Looking at getting Korrosol and TarX too.

Today I did some detailing...

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