Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Colm Spillane there alright this fella if he stays injury free has the tough Sully look about him ! Brian Moylan of the Glen there as well....

from last years panel gone are Jamie Coughlan, Rob O Shea, Andy Walsh, William Kearney , Darren McCarthy, Aidan Ryan, Brian O Sullivan , Luke Meade and Anthony Spillane ......new players Conor Twomey, Niall Cashman, Cathal Cormack, Will Leahy, Patrick O Mahony , Colm Spillane , William Egan, Cian McCarthy, Conor O Sullivan, Paul Haughney.....

Cant see how Lawton , Leahy are included when Dennehy (who would do well at corner back) , Danny Flynn, were not given a look in. Lawton seems very highly rated for some strange reason.. Surprised to see Twomey involved , he was very poor with cork u21 in 2015 and didn't set world alight in club team. We will keep talking about Pa but hopefully he might be involved soon. He might not be that keen on u21 hurling with Cork but I presume if he doesn't play u21 then he cant really be considered for senior team. Roll on 2016. HOn the REbels.

Smith614 wrote: »

Cant see how Lawton , Leahy are included when Dennehy (who would do well at corner back) , Danny Flynn, were not given a look in. Lawton seems very highly rated for some strange reason.. Surprised to see Twomey involved , he was very poor with cork u21 in 2015 and didn't set world alight in club team. We will keep talking about Pa but hopefully he might be involved soon. He might not be that keen on u21 hurling with Cork but I presume if he doesn't play u21 then he cant really be considered for senior team. Roll on 2016. HOn the REbels.

Leahy to be fair has been outstanding from play for imkoilly and Cork intermediate where he nearly beat limerick on he's own in the Munster final with Tony Murphy who should have got games but I totally agree alan dennehy and flynn getting no games at all is totally totally unfair when egan gets recalled and haughey over flynn absoultey no way
This panel is good in areas but it lacks serous panel depth imo and won't be anywhere good enough in championship against the big teams as Moylan haughey farell really to be fair had chance after chance
No Anthony Spillane beggars belief yet jbm said was higly rated last year
Now people can say Spillane hasn't done this or that fair enough but he deserves the same chances as Cian mccarthy who is not inter county imo standard and munster final two years ago and all ireland final replay clearly proved this
Only one additional glen man

Cunningjham noonan deserved a call up
Shane o keoffe Kevin o Neill john Cronin

I totally agree regards Lawton but last year to be fair he proved in a sweeper he was good but then cork reverted to type and when he should been like v clare half back up to midfield he played centre forward and was dominated and Cork will likely play him there
Of course one cork reporter will be delighted with this as only week ago he was advocating mccarthy has to get cork recall and haughey yet same old players he keeps pushing yet flynn nagle Cronin Sean Hayes Kevin o Neill Dayne Lee luke meade should be named among others names more
The same reporter of course had to say Lawton brother should get call up for cork

Again nothing against these players in there all fine fine hurler at club level but there imo not inter county standard and have proved this time and again
Colm Spillane is great choice but colm Barry who i always fan off and was outstanding cork all ireland intermediate winning team two years ago particular against Galway where him and when colm Spillane went from half forward to centre back won cork the game against what was practical Galway under twenty under twenty one team
He played full for under twenty one out of position but gave he's all and had blinding season with Mary I last year
These are the future for cork

I agree Twomey form isn't as good as he can be but I'd at least say he's something new with potential

This cork panel imo i would be hugely worried in going the physical route but won't beat kk this way and clare should they meet will have too much pace and waterford sweeper system while it's limited will beat Cork
Tippeary have problems getting selection team in place as meeting was put back but tippeary won't fear much on this panel


This is pretty much the same panel as the last few years and Cork fell short and while yes system had big part in that it's clear cork needed at least ten new players just to freshen up the panel but built for the future
Clare went with youth and yes they had under age success but Cork needed to add some
Cusack was correct in after the all ireland final he reviews the championship and said some cork players there didn't deserves to be there purely on performance and Cork need to freshen up the panel and was some young hurlers that deserved a chance
Cormac Walsh great year as did Jamie nagle and was good under Walsh and jack sheehan before he got injured was flying and was excellent at half forward yet no games
Cork should have went with a larger panel imo

I agree smith Callaghan would be a huge addition
This panel now imo shows a real lack of ruthless edge with management like cody recalling players from before bar the excellent sullivan and Cork are going old style route one which has imo will easily beaten by kk and I mentioned kk as there the standard bearer

TTM you named about 15 extra lads there. There's no way you could realistically have the bones of 50 lads on a training panel.

totally underwhelming, seeing fellas who have never been good enough being recalled to a cork hurling panel must be soul destroying for younger fellas who at least offer the hope of being good enough. egan, McCarthy, haugney, paidi, stepehn Moylan have all being given chance after chance

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

What are your thoughts in what style will cork play

What are your views on the football management and who would you like as minor coach in the football
Any hurlers you would call up

I am very happy with the hurling management, peadar is astute and is surrounding himself with fellas who understand modern football and I feel confident that cork will be better in 2016, interesting to see his league panel.
Minor coach - derek Kavanagh, brian herlihy is plenty experienced to mentor a coach like derek who has put in the hard yards with rebel og teams. Alan quirke will be of huge benefit to that group also imo, very intelligent guy.
Hurlers, don't know what to make of them , heard totally opposite things about flannery, while seeing so many fellas who have been ordinary for so ong kept on and in some cases brought back is strange. would have kept the likes of gunning, spillane, barry in the squad for example, but it seems we are finally dispensing with the greyhound nonsense espoused naively by jbm.
Hopefully a proper s&c programme will allow us compete allied to proper coaching and some astuteness on the line.

Deccie Sull taking S&C, physical training and presumably physio. Some man.

Anthony Nash
Stephen McDonnell Colm Spillane Chris Joyce
Damien Cahalane Mark Ellis Cormac Murphy
Daniel Kearney Aidan Walsh
Conor Lehane Patrick Horgan Seamus Harnedy
Alan Cadogan Cian McCarthy Paudi Sullivan.....

I think Ellis showed v Galway he's not up to centre back. I'd love to see Eoin Cadogan there but in his footballing role id have Joyce instead.

Figsy32 wrote: »

Has Spillane not been playing out the field for Castlelyons the last few years? Good hurler and has the sort of physicality we're lacking in the team but I would have thought Joyce is the man for full back if he gets back to where he was before the injury. Has both the physicality and the hurling for there.

Half back line is a very very average line for us. Plenty decent hurlers but nobody of real quality and to get anywhere in an All-Ireland series you need a strong half back line.

We need a partner for Kearney in midfield.

Besides Seamie all our forwards are very samey. Nice wrists hurlers but no real cut or bite. We badly need a presence and a goal threat on the edge of the square.

Our young lads seem extremely lightweight when compared to the likes of TDB and Gleeson in Waterford or James Barry in Tipp who'd all be of a similar age to Cormac Murphy, Luke Meade etc. That's something that badly needs rectifying.

Luke Meade is a few years younger than Murphy, Barry and Burke. Gleeson is just a class hurler in every way, Meade isn't in the same class at all, with respect to him. Murphy's problem isn't his size either.

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Anthony Nash
Stephen McDonnell Colm Spillane Chris Joyce
Damien Cahalane Mark Ellis Cormac Murphy
Daniel Kearney Aidan Walsh
Conor Lehane Patrick Horgan Seamus Harnedy
Alan Cadogan Cian McCarthy Paudi Sullivan.....

I have to agree with Orizio, he was bang on. To be fair, I don't think what I would consider our 'best team' would be a whole lot better anyway. Bill Cooper was about our best player last year so it's a bit strange he's not there.

Orizio wrote: »

Completely unproven full-back, two lads that time and time again haven't been up to it in the full-forward line, one ball-winner in the half-forward line along with two work-shy lads, the same half-back line which doesn't work, Walsh in midfield which doesn't work, Joyce moved into the corner when he played his best hurling at full-back, Nash still in goals...

Shocking team, not that it will be much better than what we will eventually get.

Thats a bit of a rout, although elements of truth in it

Positivity isnt your thing Orizio

Jesus we have to hope Kingston et al might make a difference and lift the ship

Orizio first and foremost I applaud your honesty and your courage and conviction to call a spade a spade and credit due and imo cork gaa at all levels would do better with such honesty when things are good say there good but if there bad don't say there good as we fool absoultey no one but ourselves by those views and imo that was cork biggest problem in gaa last while the failure to acknowledge and appreciate when things are bad but this utter nonense ah we are cork we will come like mushrooms ah were too harsh while kk and Dublin and kerry have different attuide

I know you like me get no joy in saying cork have worries but on that panel it's clear as dawn break day we won't be even close to all ireland by not bring in more youth where slowing the development process and we had two humiliation defeats past two years so if people can't see major change is needed in style of play etc there way way of the mark with respect


All of what you said I agree with that team would be blown out the gate with a sweeper as an opponent
Joyce is not or never was as you say a corner back
Just look at tippeary all ireland semi two years ago and even at under twenty one he struggled
He's a half back or full certainly not corner or midfield where he's club played him and indeed jbm munster final v limerick
Corner back ist requirement is pace and he lacks raw pace
Half back line as unit your correct lacks balance as no pace there so tony kelly podge would cause huge problem there
Half forward line horgan will not work and it as you said defies logic he's there when biggest single factor half forward he must work hard and show work ethic particularly against sweeper some think he'll be brought in to the game and this nonense that we have to facilitate a player that simply as again this year for the glen not just the final but in every game bar one he was way way way off what you expect senior all star hurler in club scene to do and in he's third county final he was poor bar frees yet old cork attuide served us well ah go easy don't critics in performance


He only position is full forward but needs be dropped to become better player but he won't be as this management clearly showed lack ruthless edge already by that panel
Cloughduv management dropped there free taker last week as poor from play, what a statement of intent


This attuide we are cork let's not be harsh won't change to win all ireland
No doubt were only four team but we have to build for all ireland two years but sticking this panel shows we will probably be top four as bar clare and kk rest teams have huge problem bar waterford who have problems but not as bad as others being top four is hardly something to sing the banks my own lovely Lee
Now I'm not for one second saying don't support cork never would I say that what I'm saying is attuide have to change
Look at ireland rubgy just like soccer being destroyed by four goals the irish fans sing in all black v France and some media say ah wasn't it great world cup for our fans again best in the world
Ah yeah fair enough but in fairness I'd much rather being remember as ireland getting world cup semi and looking from the inside out and then singing but we tend to get praise off the field that on it when truth is Australia and all blacks etc are laughing and saying ah yes irish great for a sing song but on the field miles off
Even the great great sean fitzpayrick showed he's respect for ireland on field when he said ireland were over rated and he even expected France yes France with awful coach to beat them
Yes ireland won but fitzpayrick was right ireland were too conservative.

In fairness some of the Irish rubgy team would be honest enough to say weren't good enough but have no doubt excuses will be made.

Cork hurling needed radical change of system but picking the same players thinking upping intensity alone will with work and suffice are wrong when kk bring intensity every single game and also clare will and other teams will also
This panel has only five or six new players that were never there before and imo it's the management belief the panel as it is can win all ireland when I'd love to be wrong but I think they will be way off.

It's clear as day the game plan by the panel picked is orthodox direct fast hurling just like limerick tried the last two years against kk and lost and that won't imo work as it's too predicable and we don't have players win there own ball but in a system we could be an excellent team but we won't play posession game imo

We also have to agree that right at this time we don't have the players the likes of Kilkenny , Clare , Galway or Tipp have ...our underage record is shocking ...and be it Club or County any team that has underage success more often than not get senior winning teams out of it ...nobody is saying we have mushrooms any more ...by picking that team I am just saying I believe in these players and we do have some more very good young players coming along ...what we need is to start winning underage trophys again ...going back to the panel picked I am sure it will change before championship time fellas will come and go...I am happy enough with that panel ...with respects I would replace , Paul Haughney, Brian Lawton, Stephen Moylan and Brian Moylan...with Alan Dennehy, Pa O Callaghan , Jamie Coughlan and to give one young player experience Chris O Leary....