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Nature in the News

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Viney still has that flair for brilliant writing. He is worth it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭Jayzesake


    recedite wrote: »
    Viney still has that flair for brilliant writing. He is worth it.

    Worth buying the ITimes for, you mean?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭OpenYourEyes




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Jayzesake wrote: »
    Worth buying the ITimes for, you mean?
    No, I wouldn't go that far :)
    He was reflecting wryly on the cost to the state of keeping the increasingly long-lived older demographic going, I think..
    ..a reckless chain smoker for most of my first 40 years, I find myself living on borrowed time. Among the many human follies revealed to the elderly is the constant refinement of geriatric repair that is leading societies into bankruptcy, or at least a dire distortion of state spending.
    Because I’m worth it – thank you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    recedite wrote: »
    No, I wouldn't go that far :)
    He was reflecting wryly on the cost to the state of keeping the increasingly long-lived older demographic going, I think..

    Des O'Neill had a piece this week on the WHO World Report on Ageing and Health which debunks this myth completely. There is no evidence of any major drain on healthcare resources as a result of ageing populations. Indeed in the UK older people make a net contribution of £40 billion to the economy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Capercaillie


    I thought Srameen was Michael Viney for a while!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    I thought Srameen was Michael Viney for a while!

    :D No, and I'm not a fan of his writing style, or opinions, at times. Although locals with Wildlife questions have referred to me saying "we'll ask Michael Viney here"


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭OpenYourEyes


    A piece from Channal 4 News about the recent attacks on the Birds and Habitats Directive:

    http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/221015/clipid/221015_SWEDEN_2210

    And a blog piece from the RSPB on the same topic:

    http://www.rspb.org.uk/community/ourwork/b/martinharper/archive/2015/10/21/debunking-some-myths-about-the-eu-nature-directives.aspx


    Both well worth looking at, and though they use UK examples they're every bit as relevant to the Irish situation in every aspect (including political attacks).

    I think the most important bit is this one:
    Contrary to myth, the Directives do not place ‘disproportionate’ or ‘unnecessary’ burdens on business, or act as a block on development.

    The UK Government’s own review (the 2012 Habitats and Wild Birds Directives Implementation Review) found no evidence to support the “burden” claim. Instead, it found that “in the large majority of cases the implementation of the Directives is working well, allowing both development of key infrastructure and ensuring that a high level of environmental protection is maintained.”

    In particular, the evidence suggests that...

    ...Of the approx. 27,000 land use consultations received by Natural England each year, less than 0.5% are objected to on Habitats Regulations grounds, and most of these objections are successfully dealt with at the planning stage.

    ...Defra figures for environmental regulations as a whole suggests that the costs are outweighed 3:1 by the benefits (only some of which can be estimated in monetary terms), and account for less than 2% of industry turnover on average.

    This makes it clear - the Directives do not prevent all development; they simply provide the minimum safeguard necessary to ensure that biodiversity is properly taken into account when planning decisions are taken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Zoo4m8



    Had a visit from these thugs a while back, pulled a gate open with a jeep and proceeded to drive round the place through crops etc, they shot two deer ( they leave the intestines behind) , a cow was shot near here recently, numerous sheep have been shot.. These people are reckless to put it mildly, using high powered rifles it's only a matter of time before the worst happens.
    I had a conversation on Monday on this subject with the holder of a hunting licence, I mentioned operation Bambi, he referred to it as operation "Shambi",
    and said that poaching will only increase in intensity as Christmas approaches..


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭OpenYourEyes


    Good to see the knock-on tourism benefits of White-tailed Eagles in Ireland being given some publicity!

    http://www.clarechampion.ie/tourists-still-entranced-by-lough-derg-sea-eagles/


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Ah, so that's where the nest was; the Cribby Islands, just one island up from Bushy Island, where they were in 2014.
    Was there a second nest at Portumna in 2015 as well, or was that just a ruse?
    I'd have gone to see them, but with all the confusion of contradictory info and the previous season's info still on the interweb, I didn't know where to go in the end.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭OpenYourEyes


    Cull of Killarney deer over link to fatal car crashes

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cull-of-killarney-deer-over-link-to-fatal-car-crashes-1.2409077#.VjIAdp-fuv4.twitter
    The National Parks and Wildlife Service is to carry out a cull of lowland deer around Killarney amid an outcry about a rise in the number of deer blamed for fatal car crashes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭Jayzesake



    Culling introduced Sika Deer can only be a positive thing on all counts, but it's more difficult to understand why the NPWS is also planning on reducing native Red Deer numbers. Why can't they be captured and brought to another part of the country where the native reds no longer exist, instead of being shot?

    Makes no sense at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Capercaillie


    Jayzesake wrote: »
    Culling introduced Sika Deer can only be a positive thing on all counts, but it's more difficult to understand why the NPWS is also planning on reducing native Red Deer numbers. Why can't they be captured and brought to another part of the country where the native reds no longer exist, instead of being shot?

    Makes no sense at all.

    The likes of those Healy-Rae's are behind the cull (IMO). Absolutely criminal to cull the Red deer. Aren't they only after taking the Red deer in Kerry off the quarry list because the numbers have gone so low. Eradicate the sika if they want, but madness to cull the Reds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭Jayzesake


    The likes of those Healy-Rae's are behind the cull (IMO). Absolutely criminal to cull the Red deer. Aren't they only after taking the Red deer in Kerry off the quarry list because the numbers have gone so low. Eradicate the sika if they want, but madness to cull the Reds.

    Why do you think the Healy-Raes are responsible, have they a history of that kind of thing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    They have been complained about deer crossing roads and spreading TB for many years.

    Just Google "Healy Rae Deer" for an overview.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭Jayzesake


    He seems to have an issue with Sikas, rather than the reds of KNP:

    "Deputy Healy-Rae also said that a rapid rise in the population of deer - in particular the Sika species - is wreaking havoc with agriculture in Kerry as the wild animals spread TB among commercial herds."

    http://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerryman/news/deer-to-blame-in-five-kerry-road-deaths-31377267.html

    And in fairness to the man, the South West is in fact 'rank' (to borrow a term I saw on this forum) with Sika deer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    He has never specifically excluded Red Deer from his anti deer and pro hunting statements.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭Jayzesake


    That may be expecting too much?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Jayzesake wrote: »
    That may be expecting too much?

    But, it shouldn't be too much.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭Jayzesake


    Obviously someone like Healy Rae will be coming at this from a very different angle to anyone who's contributing to this forum. However, I think it's fair to say that Sika Deer are overabundant in some parts of the country, and that is highly damaging ecologically.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Jayzesake wrote: »
    Obviously someone like Healy Rae will be coming at this from a very different angle to anyone who's contributing to this forum. However, I think it's fair to say that Sika Deer are overabundant in some parts of the country, and that is highly damaging ecologically.

    I agree on Sika but that's not what we were talking about. Healy Rae could easily be specific if he wanted to. The fact that he's coming from another angle is the whole point.

    Anyway, I'm not here to discuss the merits, or otherwise of the Healy Reas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭two wheels good


    Jayzesake wrote: »
    He seems to have an issue with Sikas, rather than the reds of KNP:

    "Deputy Healy-Rae also said that a rapid rise in the population of deer - in particular the Sika species - is wreaking havoc with agriculture in Kerry as the wild animals spread TB among commercial herds."

    http://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerryman/news/deer-to-blame-in-five-kerry-road-deaths-31377267.html

    And in fairness to the man, the South West is in fact 'rank' (to borrow a term I saw on this forum) with Sika deer.

    Is there any reliable evidence they are spreading TB (the deer I mean)? Who knows, maybe it's the bleddy badgers again!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭Jayzesake


    They have been complained about deer crossing roads and spreading TB for many years.

    Just Google "Healy Rae Deer" for an overview.
    He has never specifically excluded Red Deer from his anti deer and pro hunting statements.
    Anyway, I'm not here to discuss the merits, or otherwise of the Healy Reas.

    Ok...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Jayzesake wrote: »
    Ok...

    You asked. I answered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Capercaillie


    Jayzesake wrote: »
    Why do you think the Healy-Raes are responsible, have they a history of that kind of thing?

    Healy-Raes are the most populist seeking, anti-wildlife,parish-pump politicians in the Country. They are the same ignorant breed as Michael Fitzmaurice and Ming Flanagan, champions of the destruction of the SAC/NHA bogs!

    They want the Hen Harriers exterminated. The Don Corelone of the Clan (Jackie) once said that Sea Eagles would take Children!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭OpenYourEyes


    Is there any reliable evidence they are spreading TB (the deer I mean)? Who knows, maybe it's the bleddy badgers again!

    Theres evidence of high levels of TB in deer in Wicklow, but it was low elsewhere (Sligo I think).


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭OpenYourEyes




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭Jayzesake



    "The average kills per lynx is important as it allows lynx advocates to estimate the total amount of compensation to be paid to farmers who lose sheep to lynx. The AECOM report found their initially proposed 38 animals would cost just £757 each year, paying farmers double the market rate for killed sheep. This cost would be overwhelmingly offset by £2.7m per year earned through a local lynx tourism boom and the reduction in deer management costs as lynx culled them naturally."

    Interesting to see the economics of the matter laid out so plainly. (Although imo that should be secondary.)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭Jayzesake


    Indonesia is burning. So why is the world looking away?

    "I’ve often wondered how the media would respond when eco-apocalypse struck. I pictured the news programmes producing brief, sensational reports, while failing to explain why it was happening or how it might be stopped. Then they would ask their financial correspondents how the disaster affected share prices, before turning to the sport. As you can probably tell, I don’t have an ocean of faith in the industry for which I work. What I did not expect was that they would ignore it."


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/30/indonesia-fires-disaster-21st-century-world-media?CMP=share_btn_tw


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