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Time travel to 1 AD

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭Nichard Dixon


    Schwiiin wrote:
    Muahahaha wrote:
    Tell them to dump that religion crap, that would have been the best practical advice you could have given. If they'd have known that we wouldn't have had the Dark Ages and humanity might be 500 years ahead of where it is now

    Try 1500 years


    The dark ages were caused by the Huns, Goths and so on wrecking the place fr loot and not religious reasons. The church was the only people that kept any literacy going, it seems though that it is wasted on some people.

    Assuming that you'd be reliant on the tools available at the time. Then you would actually need to have knowledge and possess the ability to demonstrate and teach it. Rather than misdiagnosing oneself or others via Google, or needing a calculator to calculate. Yes we all know that the Earth isn't flat, but how many of us could produce and rationalise the formula to prove it to skeptics back in 1 AD? Fúck all is the answer.

    If Eratosthenes can do it, why can't I (given that I know how he did it)?
    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    Unless you spoke Hebrew or Aramaic nobody would understand you for a start

    Mel Gibson would be fine. However, Latin would help in many cases, a bit of the old "Marcus currit ad arborem" would do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Tell them to dump that religion crap, that would have been the best practical advice you could have given. If they'd have known that we wouldn't have had the Dark Ages and humanity might be 500 years ahead of where it is now

    Only Europe had the Dark Ages. Middle East, India and China all progressed and yet progress slowed down by the 14/1500s in these countries. China was the least religious (confucianism was more a system of laws rather than an all out belief) but was stagnated for hundreds of years. China was the most advanced in the world but never invented glass.

    Progress is not linear or straightforward. To invent something, you have to conceive of a need for it. And it's hard to imagine something that doesn't exist. Most big discoveries were accidental or were applied in an unintended way.
    The lost knowledge required Europeans to experiment to catch up with the rest of civilization, causing new discoveries/accidents from old ideas.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    This place is infested with Jebus smugglers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mother Brain


    Only Europe had the Dark Ages. Middle East, India and China all progressed and yet progress slowed down by the 14/1500s in these countries. China was the least religious (confucianism was more a system of laws rather than an all out belief) but was stagnated for hundreds of years. China was the most advanced in the world but never invented glass.

    Progress is not linear or straightforward. To invent something, you have to conceive of a need for it. And it's hard to imagine something that doesn't exist. Most big discoveries were accidental or were applied in an unintended way.
    The lost knowledge required Europeans to experiment to catch up with the rest of civilization, causing new discoveries/accidents from old ideas.

    That's another thing actually. I would tell the romans about a totally unkown, unspoilt continent that lay far the West called America..

    I mean, the natives would be slaughtered of course, but sure that happened anyway.

    Imagine if instead of the America we ended up with there's was basically another Europe over there...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Reckon I could impress them with my paper plane making abilities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    biko wrote: »
    Print this out and carry with you
    http://i.imgur.com/2psNjiL.png

    Never has a picture been more relevant on AH. I award you no thanks and may the mods have mercy on your soul.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    That's another thing actually. I would tell the romans about a totally unkown, unspoilt continent that lay far the West called America..

    I mean, the natives would be slaughtered of course, but sure that happened anyway.

    Imagine if instead of the America we ended up with there's was basically another Europe over there...

    IDK. By all accounts the Native Americans kicked the sht out of the Vikings and would have done the same to the Europeans if there hadn't been a massive plague. It might have opened them up to the rest of the world though, which would have been interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭irish coldplayer


    All the evidence suggests that he did exist. Now wheter he was the son of God, could produce fish and bread like a factory for the hungry is the part that's open for debate.

    I'm afraid there is far more than just that up for debate.
    The thread below is an interesting discussion on the historicity of Jesus.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057011991


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    Fcuk sake, my thread has descended into a religious piece of poop. This is why we can't have nice things.

    Somebody said to build a train. Or a radio.

    Yeah, I don't think I could do that in the present day even if was in a train and radio building factory.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Only Europe had the Dark Ages. Middle East, India and China all progressed and yet progress slowed down by the 14/1500s in these countries. China was the least religious (confucianism was more a system of laws rather than an all out belief) but was stagnated for hundreds of years. China was the most advanced in the world but never invented glass.

    Progress is not linear or straightforward. To invent something, you have to conceive of a need for it. And it's hard to imagine something that doesn't exist. Most big discoveries were accidental or were applied in an unintended way.
    The lost knowledge required Europeans to experiment to catch up with the rest of civilization, causing new discoveries/accidents from old ideas.
    We really shouldn't even say Europe had a "dark ages" considering the advancements that were made at the time such as improved crop rotation, metallurgy, print, animal breeding and architecture.

    The modern concept of dark ages comes from renaissance writers who had an interest in painting everything before them and after antiquity as backward but that's not accurate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    That's another thing actually. I would tell the romans about a totally unkown, unspoilt continent that lay far the West called America..

    I mean, the natives would be slaughtered of course, but sure that happened anyway.

    Imagine if instead of the America we ended up with there's was basically another Europe over there...

    [Buzz Killington]
    The Romans couldn't have reached America. They didn't have ships capable of making the crossing.
    [/Buzz Killington]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭irish coldplayer


    You could invent a rudimentary printing press that would spread knowledge faster, thats assuming you have some sort of paper and alphabet and some form of ink


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    We really shouldn't even say Europe had a "dark ages" considering the advancements that were made at the time such as improved crop rotation, metallurgy, print, animal breeding and architecture.

    The modern concept of dark ages comes from renaissance writers who had an interest in painting everything before them and after antiquity as backward but that's not accurate.

    Decently educational post but I was expecting something pretty epic from someone called "Iwasfrozen" in a thread about time travel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mother Brain


    You could invent a rudimentary printing press that would spread knowledge faster, thats assuming you have some sort of paper and alphabet and some form of ink

    Ah that's a good 'un! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Tell them to dump that religion crap, that would have been the best practical advice you could have given. If they'd have known that we wouldn't have had the Dark Ages and humanity might be 500 years ahead of where it is now

    I'd never have predicted a response like this in a thread like this. Fair play.

    Wonder what they did with Atheists back then, string them up by the balls maybe?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 410 ✭✭Teafor two12345


    I'd never have predicted a response like this in a thread like this. Fair play.

    Wonder what they did with Atheists back then, string them up by the balls maybe?

    One of the charges against Socrates, was atheism in his trial during which he was ultimately sentenced to death by hemlock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,372 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    Unless you spoke Hebrew or Aramaic nobody would understand you for a start

    Jesus would understand you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    branie2 wrote: »
    Jesus would understand you

    Didn't realise there were any Mexicans there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭HIB


    Presuming you could get them to listen to you and not think you're crazy.....

    You could tell them how disease is spread by tiny microscopic organisms. Romans already had sanitation I think, but I don't think they had any idea how important it was in disease control?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 410 ✭✭Teafor two12345


    HIB wrote: »
    Presuming you could get them to listen to you and not think you're crazy.....

    Well they killed Socrates for saying as such and he was one of the greatest orators and logical debaters of all time, so like what chance would one of us have???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭HIB


    Well they killed Socrates for saying as such and he was one of the greatest orators and logical debaters of all time, so like what chance would one of us have???

    I had no idea Socrates believed in the existence of microorganisms. What made him think that? It seems like a pretty huge leap. Almost like something you would have to be crazy to believe without proof.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭HIB


    Well they killed Socrates for saying as such and he was one of the greatest orators and logical debaters of all time, so like what chance would one of us have???

    Well at least one half if this statement is total bs. Apparently Socrates was an outspoken critic of Athenian society. That's why he got the chop, or the hemlock in his case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭sheesh


    branie2 wrote: »
    Jesus would understand you

    or and the apostles got the gift of tongues at some stage and they might help out.

    you could tell people that leprosy is not that contagious and gain kudos by helping lepers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    [Buzz Killington]
    The Romans couldn't have reached America. They didn't have ships capable of making the crossing.
    [/Buzz Killington]
    Guys have made the crossing in rowboats, so I don't think the Romans would have been in too much trouble.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    I'd bring a sawn off shotgun with me....and tell them this my boomstick


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Pink Fairy


    I'd bring a sawn off shotgun with me....and tell them this my boomstick

    Better bring some shells or else its just a shiny club with which they'll beat you to death with!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Tell them to dump that religion crap, that would have been the best practical advice you could have given. If they'd have known that we wouldn't have had the Dark Ages and humanity might be 500 years ahead of where it is now
    Utter nonsense. A huge chunk of the science we take for granted today was kicked off by the religious in Europe and elsewhere.
    Assuming that you'd be reliant on the tools available at the time. Then you would actually need to have knowledge and possess the ability to demonstrate and teach it. Rather than misdiagnosing oneself or others via Google, or needing a calculator to calculate. Yes we all know that the Earth isn't flat, but how many of us could produce and rationalise the formula to prove it to skeptics back in 1 AD? Fúck all is the answer.
    Not really. I can think of a fair few people I'd know who could impart practical advancements to a Roman audience.
    Whatever you're going to tell them will be pretty pointless unless you do a crash course in Latin or whatever they're speaking where you land.

    And even if you do learn Latin, I'll bet we've been pronouncing it wrong so it'll do you **** all good.
    Pink Fairy wrote: »
    Unless you spoke Hebrew or Aramaic nobody would understand you for a start
    Greek is what you'd want. The common language of the Roman Mediterranean was Greek, not Latin. The bit in the Mel Gibson orgy of Jesus BSDM where our hero was talking with Pontious Pilate in Latin was unlikely, far more likely that if such a convo ever took place it would be in Greek.
    Only Europe had the Dark Ages. Middle East, India and China all progressed and yet progress slowed down by the 14/1500s in these countries. China was the least religious (confucianism was more a system of laws rather than an all out belief) but was stagnated for hundreds of years.
    Exactly.
    China was the most advanced in the world but never invented glass.
    Likely because they had invented porcelain as a material for making drinking/food vessels, unlike in Europe were courser pottery was the order of the day. So glass never took off, though no doubt they would have known of it from the silk road with Europe. They certainly knew of Rome and a Chinese lad was found buried in a Roman cemetery a few years back. That's why as you say it's hard to predict how shít will go down. Porcelain is a very fine material, but doesn't lend itself to nearly as many uses as glass, so that tiny difference made for a very different outcome.
    Progress is not linear or straightforward. To invent something, you have to conceive of a need for it. And it's hard to imagine something that doesn't exist. Most big discoveries were accidental or were applied in an unintended way.
    The lost knowledge required Europeans to experiment to catch up with the rest of civilization, causing new discoveries/accidents from old ideas.
    Very much so. Politics makes a huge difference too. The best thing that happened to Europe was Rome, but a better thing was the fall of Rome. Europe was left with much of the knowledge of the Roman world and held it as some ideal in their heads(even down to Hitler) and many competing nations pushed science and technology in that competition. Europe also had a two tiered system. Individuals nations and cultures plus until the Reformation an overall "empire of the soul" in the Roman church. The best of both worlds in many ways.

    Monolithic empires stagnate. China is more an empire not a country. Very centralised and rigid, with the odd burst of innovation followed by long periods of stasis(often on dynastic change). They also had little opportunities for social advancement. If you were born a peasant you stayed a peasant. At best and if you were bright enough you might be able to advance in the civil service, but it was incredibly rigid in its not invented here policy. Some marvel that the Chinese language has changed remarkably little over the centuries, but that's a very bad thing(™). Again it shows stagnation. Whereas English, French or Spanish from even 300 years ago can be hard to read.

    In Europe even as far back as imperial Rome it was very different. The richest and most powerful man in Herculaneum was the son of a slave. A couple of emperors were descendants of slaves. Social mobility was extremely high in Rome. Later too. One of the Doges of Venice arrived as a pauper as a kid. This encourages invention and innovation and with the competing nations in such a small area shít can kick off really fast.

    Take printing. Now contrary to popular the Chinese didn't invent it. IIRC it was the Cambodians? However they had it and used it, but for what? Printing some religious texts and paper money(which they did invent). It makes its way as an invention along the silk road, through the Islamic world were it's utterly ignored(empire again), hits Europe and within a single lifetime kicks off the first real information superhighway. Again there was money to be made, politics and religion to disseminate and nations to compete with. The fact we didn't have a daft overly complicated alphabet helped too.

    If I was going back I'd concentrate on areas like steam power(the Greeks had a steam engine of sorts, but it was a kids toy) and food production. Immunisation; smallpox being the biggie would be a real breakthrough(and easy with cowpox being very common). Antibiotics would be great, but very difficult. IIRC the mould that generates penicillin is a very rare one and a real fluke it was even spotted. You could spend a lifetime looking for it and then you wouldn't have the background level of tech to mass produce it.

    Gunpowder would be another one I'd bring back and piss easy to make. Sulphur, guano(bird/batshít) and charcoal and you're pretty much there. Just send an inexpensive slave up mt Etna… Show them the power of optics. Don't need to build the Hubble, just a simple two lens telescope would do and give army commanders the raging horn. Concentrate on the military first. They have the cash and the social clout and if you get the Roman army on your side with muskets and shít, you're gonna be buried in cash and Persian floozies in no time.

    Obviously printing would be a biggie and again easy to demonstrate. Paper production another. All you need is soaked wood dust a frame with some fine linen stretched across it and water. Papyrus was mad expensive, so paper would catch on. Bird quill pens another simple invention that would be easily demonstrated.

    The power of flight… With your newly dried paper, fold up a paper aeroplane and fly it across the room. Simple hang gliders could be doable too. Though you may need to import bamboo for the structure.

    Another one; wood production. The Romans had a major hard on and need for timber. It was a time built on the stuff. A basic water driven sawmill would speed up production in a big way. A course on softwood forestry management wouldn't be a bad course to take before hoping in the delorean.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    I would impart the basic knowledge of steam power and how water can be used to power turbines etc. It would be accessible and also understandable to them.

    I know that silicon is extremely common in the earths crust and it is fairly easy to purify into a baseline usable form for use in a transistor potentially, though iI would have to experiment with it in physical terms to see if I could actually extract it in the first place from sandstone or quartz or whatever. Likely not in fairness. That would be about my limits I suppose.


    I could potentially build a radio using the battery and the transistor, though there would be no decent stations so.. ;)

    Tell them about lead poisoning...
    The earths crust is about 90% silicate materials, mostly silicon dioxide (46.6% oxygen, 27.7% silicon, 8.1% aluminium and 5.0% iron) Unfortunately silicon dioxide is to silicon as carbon dioxide is to coal, or sandpaper is to aluminium. So in Roman times only the Iron was extractable.

    Silicon for transistors has to be pure. Like really pure. Like ridiculously pure. We didn't even make the first silicon transistor until 1954. Before that and for a good while afterwards Germanium had to be used, and even then we had TV, atomic bombs, jet engines, radar, rockets, guided missiles, penicillin, plastics, computers before the first transistor.


    you could make a crystal radio using coke (coal) or galena (iron sulphide) as a detector. for the transmitter you can use a spark gap and a large fast motor. Transatlantic spark gaps were awesome. Truly. Six foot sparks in an age of oil lamps. Marconi bought a bog and had 200 people working on it. Just to fuel the generators.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexanderson_alternator
    A large Alexanderson alternator might produce 500 kW of output radio-frequency energy and would be water- or oil-cooled. One such machine had 600 pole pairs in the stator winding, and the rotor was driven at 2170 RPM, for an output frequency near 21.7 kHz. To obtain higher frequencies, higher rotor speeds were required, up to 20,000 RPM.

    And you don't even need valves for the transmitter. Simply use a carbon microphone to modulate the signal. Fessenden tried this. Of course you have to use a slightly higher voltage, and the microphone has to be water cooled as there's about 5KW going through it. And you have to get really close to the mic and shout. And if you touch it you die.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face



    So what practical advice could We actually give them?

    Them? Who are they?


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