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super_furry · 23-10-2015 12:13PM

Some serious agendas here. Some people willing to take everything the IABA as gospel and dismiss everything Billy Walsh, The Minister for Sport and The Irish Sporting Council say.

I personally think it's telling that the IABA waited until Billy was out of the country before saying anything.

brooke 2 · 23-10-2015 12:15PM

efb wrote: »

Surely as head he would be best placed- and not the IABA all picking their own club boxers???

Apparently, the IABA chose Paddy Barnes who won a silver medal at the Olympics.

efb · 23-10-2015 12:18PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Apparently, the IABA chose Paddy Barnes who won a silver medal at the Olympics.

Paddy never won an Olympic silver medal.

Nothing to say Billy's team wouldn't have picked him either

walshb · 23-10-2015 12:18PM

super_furry wrote: »

Some serious agendas here. Some people willing to take everything the IABA as gospel and dismiss everything Billy Walsh, The Minister for Sport and The Irish Sporting Council say.

I personally think it's telling that the IABA waited until Billy was out of the country before saying anything.

No, as mentioned by a poster it's Billy's version vs. the IABAs version. Who you choose to believe is your right. Me, I reckon Billy was probably given a rough ride, but maybe he too was a little stubborn and demanding. It blew up from there.

efb · 23-10-2015 12:20PM

walshb wrote: »

Like I said. This was and is about money. And no amount of ISC disguising and deflecting and covering changes that. Whoever was footing the bill is irrelevant. Billy wanted X, and theIABA likely didn't believe he was worthy of it. No matter who stepped in to pay it may not have been enough for the IABA. It began about money and it ended about money. These issues mostly do. All the autonomy and other stuff was just a part of the mess. The IABA and Walsh have given their sides of this mess. I see no winners here, and for me the ISC come out the worst

Oh you are certain? Where's your proof???

Not surprised you would paint the ISC in the worst light...

But tell me a boxer that knows when he's beaten...

Joe_ Public · 23-10-2015 12:20PM

efb wrote: »

Paddy never won an Olympic silver medal.

Nothing to say Billy's team wouldn't have picked him either

It was the World Champs in 2007 when he reached the quarters. Yes that was a slip-up in the HP unit, that proved they were only human at the time.

brooke 2 · 23-10-2015 12:20PM

walshb wrote: »

You know, maybe all this talk of picking boxers etc is just a smoke screen from what these issues are almost always about, money!

If it is about the money, which I believe it might be, Billy could not very well say so! Imagine admitting you were abandoning Irish boxing for filthy lucre!! Liveline would be hopping!!

efb · 23-10-2015 12:22PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Joe Chrystal was certainly not 'wishy washy' this morning! I would describe Kieran Mulvey's useless contribution as such!!

Kieran Mulvey is fair more qualified to speak than the nepotism ridden IABA

He has brokered many successful pay agreements

walshb · 23-10-2015 12:23PM

Clearlier wrote: »

Well, the ISC said that it wasn't about money and Billy Walsh said that it wasn't about money. It wasn't the IABA's money so had no impact on them so we should accept their assertion that it was about money?

There are nearly as many holes in their statement as there are in a sieve. They are playing a political game though and no doubt the end result will be some kind of fudge.

Billy said it was never 'really' about money. Don't be so naive.

efb · 23-10-2015 12:23PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Yes, but it's precisely because they're languishing in those tables that they seem to be desperate to get Billy in.

Lucky our team can do it without him, silly yanks!!!

efb · 23-10-2015 12:24PM

walshb wrote: »

Billy said it was never 'really' about money. Don't be so naive.

That's what your argument is based on. Are you calling Billy a liar so?

walshb · 23-10-2015 12:27PM

efb wrote: »

Oh you are certain? Where's your proof???

Not surprised you would paint the ISC in the worst light...

But tell me a boxer that knows when he's beaten...

There is no real proof for us posters . Just like you have no proof that it wasn't about money. Money was most certainly an issue. How important an issue us a belief, not a fact. The IABA seem to be saying it was a main issue. The other side say it's not. Who we believe us up to us. I think it was the main issue. Now, to be clear, who was right or wrong as regards the financial side is also up to people to decide on.

price690 · 23-10-2015 12:27PM

walshb wrote: »

Billy said it was never 'really' about money. Don't be so naive.

The ISC were footing the cost. So his wages were not an issue. Its simple, ISC cover the cost of his pay. They have stated this on numerous occasions.

He was not leaving because his wage demands were not met, they were. its not a case he backed the IABA into a corner and they simply couldn't afford it. They were not dipping into their own coffers.

If the IABA simply didn't have the funds to pay him and his demands were excessive then your argument would hold more weight. They were not footing the bill.

walshb · 23-10-2015 12:27PM

efb wrote: »

That's what your argument is based on. Are you calling Billy a liar so?

No. I am quoting him.

Would you call the IABA liars for claiming money was the motivation?

efb · 23-10-2015 12:28PM

walshb wrote: »

There is no real proof for us posters . Just like you have no proof that ut wasn't about money. Money was most certainly an issue. How important an issue us a belief, not a fact. The IABA seem to be saying it was a main issue. The other side say it's not. Who we believe us up to us. I think it was the main issue. Now, to be clear, who was right or wrong as regards the financial side is also up to people to decide on.

You can't prove a negative. Its not up to me to disprove your hypothesis- the onus is on you to prove it

efb · 23-10-2015 12:28PM

walshb wrote: »

No. I am quoting him.

Well if you believe it was, and he sad it wasn't really - what would you call that???

walshb · 23-10-2015 12:30PM

price690 wrote: »

The ISC were footing the cost. So his wages were not an issue. Its simple, ISC cover the cost of his pay. They have stated this on numerous occasions.

He was not leaving because his wage demands were not met, they were. its not a case he backed the IABA into a corner and they simply couldn't afford it. They were not dipping into their own coffers.

If the IABA simply didn't have the funds to pay him and his demands were excessive then your argument would hold more weight. They were not footing the bill.

Them not footing the bill is irrelevant. Did you not read my post. Whoever was paying, the IABA it seems were not happy with the package.

Joe_ Public · 23-10-2015 12:30PM

To say this is just about money basically exonerates the IABA, lets them off the hook completely. I mean, who's being the naive ones here?

brooke 2 · 23-10-2015 12:30PM

Tobyglen wrote: »

Shambles, muppets in the IABA- wouldn't even go on newstalk when asked to explain the situation. Walsh has done an incredible job and is a honest bloke- give him everything he needs.

So, match the few million the Americans may have offered him? How would that go down with the general public? People today complaining about a doctor who earned €700,000+ last year!!

walshb · 23-10-2015 12:32PM

efb wrote: »

Well if you believe it was, and he sad it wasn't really - what would you call that???

I quoted him. What I infer from it is neither provable or not provable. I think the statement is open to individual interpretation.

walshb · 23-10-2015 12:33PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

To say this is just about money basically exonerates the IABA, lets them off the hook completely. I mean, who's being the naive ones here?

Not just money, but according to IABA it seems to be a main reason.

price690 · 23-10-2015 12:34PM

walshb wrote: »

Them not footing the bill is irrelevant. Did you not read my post. Whoever was paying, the IABA it seems were not happy with the package.

What has the financial package got to do with them? its not their money and doesn't affect their own budget.

Is there a bit of jealousy perhaps with the media perception of Billy as being the man with the midas touch perhaps? who in turn has clout with the ISC willing to sanction such a deal?

Ya see that would be a different matter altogether. Thats a jealousy issue, believing a man to be too big for his boot. And then using "financial motives" as a way of explaining it.

efb · 23-10-2015 12:34PM

walshb wrote: »

I quoted him. What I infer from it is neither provable or not provable. I think the statement is open to individual interpretation.

To me it looks like you are accusing him of misrepresenting the situation

efb · 23-10-2015 12:35PM

walshb wrote: »

Not just money, but according to IABA it seems to be a main reason.

Have the given any evidence to back their claim???

walshb · 23-10-2015 12:39PM

efb wrote: »

Have the given any evidence to back their claim???

You keep asking questions but don't answer yourself.

Get back to me on the question I put to you. Are the IABA liars for claiming that the motivation for Billy was money?

brooke 2 · 23-10-2015 12:40PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Been a while since I was a member here, but as a fan of Irish amateur boxing - no insider info - I was moved to register again just to express sheer bafflement and anger at the latest turn of events. I listened to Billy Walsh breaking down on RTE this evening and it's obvious it's breaking his heart to leave. I don't believe he thought it would come to this, that he'd go to the World Champs, preside over a country finishing fourth in the world - FOURTH! - and come home to a warm reception and a new agreeable contract to Rio and beyond. The FAI are rushing to sign Martin O'Neill up for another campaign and they're only in a play-off yet.

And people suggesting we need to hear the IABA's side. Well yes, same goes for basically every Irish boxing debacle over the past 10 years. We need to hear the IABA's side, but never do. Who even are the IABA? A bunch of guys, I guess, maybe a token female possibly, who like to keep a very low profile. Maybe they're answerable to the clubs and delegates of the various bodies, but they certainly aint answerable to the court of public opinion anyway. Maybe people think that's how it should be.

Gary Keegan, Billy Walsh, Jim Moore - arguably the 3 coaches/administrators involved in the Irish set-up past 15 years, all left their positions under a cloud and maybe that tells a story. And Zaur Antia is a great coach, loved by the boxers, but a high performance director? Very doubtful. Same goes for Pete Taylor and probably any other name that will be thrown into the mix. The next move here gonna be very interesting to observe.

Why did Billy Walsh's tears remind me of Bernard McNamara's when he said he would stay in Ireland to face the music? We all know how that finished! Crocodile tears from both!

Isn't it interesting that Billy resigned after his team were so successful at the World Championships in Doha? Could it be possible the Americans upped their 'crazy' offer? Perish the thought!! His resignation was not about the money? At all, at all!!

Joe_ Public · 23-10-2015 12:42PM

A small but interesting detail: whoever drafted the IABA statement seems under the impression the Sports Council and Sport Ireland are one and the same. Can they not actually tell the difference as to who these various bodies represent?

Dodge · 23-10-2015 12:44PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

A small but interesting detail: whoever drafted the IABA statement seems under the impression the Sports Council and Sport Ireland are one and the same. Can they not actually tell the difference as to who these various bodies represent?

The press release was very amateurish. Lots of pub speak "well. now , let me tell you about that one..."

I wouldn't be getting too hung up on that issue.

efb · 23-10-2015 12:46PM

walshb wrote: »

You keep asking questions but don't answer yourself.

Get back to me on the question I put to you. Are the IABA liars for claiming that the motivation for Billy was money?

Please answer mine. Given my experience I'm more inclined to bride Billy.

That haven't covered themselves in glory before or now

efb · 23-10-2015 12:47PM

walshb wrote: »

You keep asking questions but don't answer yourself.

Get back to me on the question I put to you. Are the IABA liars for claiming that the motivation for Billy was money?

When was the question put to me? Please quote

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