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Residents object to temporary halting site

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  • #572
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    gandalf wrote: »
    Yes it has been abandoned. What is inaccurate with what I have said?

    I didn't say it was inaccurate, I merely queried you choice of words, to describe the site of an awful inferno just over a week ago.

    Would you have described the ruins of the Stardust as an "abandoned Nightclub", one week after 48 teenagers were burned to death in it?


    They are saying it because they believe it and have experienced it.

    You are alleging they have experienced it. So are they.

    I'm sorry yes you are. Given the media slant at the moment even if these details were available they probably wouldn't be published. Also given the lack of willingness for the authorities to deal with anti-social behaviour coming from halting sites and travellers it is entirely possible they weren't acted upon. That doesn't make the residents concerns any less valid!

    I'm sorry, no I'm not....nor was I saying there is no anti social behaviour.

    What makes you think that facts will be, or are being suppressed?

    Why does the fact that you feel that "details" are suppressed and not published make you believe these so-called "details", rather than the actual facts which are published? How can authorities deal with mtyhical "details" which haven't been published in the public domain?

    Are you a believer in other conspiracy theories too?


    No the council tried to piss all over a community and its rights to a peaceful life.

    No they didn't. Just because you say it often does not make it true.


    How is this an emergency. The survivors are being housed using the normal emergency mechanisms. They are guaranteed a permanent home in six months which is far more than the majority in the emergency housing mechanism can look forward to. Now they are getting even more preferential treatment. So much for the wish of the travelling community to be considered equal.

    How is the deaths of 40% of the members of the travelling extended family who lived in the accommodation, 10 in number, which is now in ruins, destroyed by a dreadful inferno, an Emergency?

    Seriously?

    How is it not?

    They have to be out of where they are by week-end.

    The group supporting the families bereaved over a week ago by a fire at a halting site in Carrickmines, Co Dublin has said the families are getting desperate to know what will happen to them regarding accommodation when funerals for the ten victims of the fire are over on Friday.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1019/735982-carrickmines/

    "Southside Travellers Action Group Director Geraldine Dunne said the situation has gone on for ten days and a decision is necessary immediately to provide the families with a safe place to live."


    Yes they have been forced to do so by the heavy handed Council reaction. And if it is forced through against their wishes the council and the establishment will find they have opened a can of worms they wish they didn't. From my perspective it has certainly concentrated my mind on the extreme waste of resources on a community that seems to offer nothing positive the wider society that it exists in.

    But you agree that they, the residents, are the law breakers here?

    The law being implemented by the LA was passed by An Oireachtais, and signed by An Uachtaráin....it is the law.

    No-one forces anyone to break the law, that is their own choice.

    It is the residents who have opened that can of worms, as now politicians, mindful of National, European and International scrutiny, will act, and not in a way which will suit the wishes of these residents, or other similarly minded residents. You will not like what will be proposed and passed into law as a result of this short-sighted action by these residents.
    The only solution I would see working is to put all the resources they were going to into the temporary location into getting the permanent location up to speed with the existing workers who are working on it at the moment. With those kind of resources they should be able to get the family into the permanent location before Christmas which is surely a far better result than moving them into a unsuitable location where they are not wanted.

    Those permanent dwellings will take until after Christmas to finish....in the meanwhile, about 6 months or less, these residents will just have to put up with the inconvenience, under the current plan by the LA.

    I too hope another solution becomes available by end of week, bit I doubt it.

    I am willing to be proven wrong on that.


  • #573
    sasta le
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭sasta le


    How many people have to be rehoused?And where are they currently?


  • #574
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    EazyD wrote: »
    They don't but you'd be a fool to be convinced otherwise given the response of the LA thus far. Would you take their word for it if you lived in Carrickmines?

    This was the agreed Statement, in 2009, from the Council re the existing site, the Temporary site destroyed by fire last week-end.

    Temporary Halting Site on Glenamuck Road

    This gives no time frame whatsoever about that site, except to say it

    "will be in-situ until until such-time as alternative Traveller specific accommodation for the family currently living there can be obtained"

    So, vastly different to what is being proposed for the survivors, which has tight time scales, and permanent accommodation being readied, which will be ready sometime after Christmas.

    The rest is just paranoid conspiracy theorising by anti traveller people pretending to be concerned about the LA's lack of trustworthiness.


  • #575
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    EazyD wrote: »
    Irrespective of what's found they will get emergency accommodation with a more permanent solution down the line. More than can be said for the average Joe were it to happen to them.

    I'm afraid Sir, you are blinded by prejudice.

    These are not average Joe's, not by a long chalk.

    They are survivors of the biggest catastrophe to strike in Ireland since the Stardust Fire and the Dublin Monaghan Bombings.

    Have you no thought whatsoever for the condition of these human beings?

    They are in shock, traumatised, physically and mentally scarred...

    having survived an inferno which took away almost half their number, from a relatively small group of 25, the fatality rate was 40%.

    Do you realise what that must do to people?

    Why do people make these distasteful comparisons with Average Joe?

    Of course one would hope Joe will be looked after, in a humanitarian way, and as well as the State can provide.

    That's why we have such a thing as Society.

    And our understanding of Society in Ireland is based upon Christianity, and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    What would he advise, do you think?

    Love of one's neighbour as oneself.....the only commandment is love one another as He has loved us.

    Just stop, stand back, and look at what you are saying.

    There are funerals coming up, many funerals, children, women and men.


  • #576
    222233
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    sasta le wrote: »
    How many people have to be rehoused?And where are they currently?

    I may be wrong but I believe it's somewhere around the 15 mark? I also think they are being kept in emergency accommodation hotels or bnbs !


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  • #577
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,787 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    MysticalRain wrote: »
    Travellers are basically a bunch of chavs/bogans/white trash

    lovely. we now know what we are dealing with here.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    with their own lobby group and plenty of useful idiots on the left to defend their poor life style choices.

    defend their nomadic tradition. the left have nothing to do with it, apart from not using the actions of some to beat a whole community.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    It’s also a despicable insult to real ethnic groups like Africa Americans who have suffered genuine discrimination.

    the travelers have and do suffer genuine discrimination.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    The bleeding heart PC left rabel rabel

    don't exist. there is no such thing as pc, there is no such thing as bleeding hearts. no matter how many times certain types try throw these wannabe derogatory terms into their little rants, it won't change that fact.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    are our sides equivalent of the Tea Party i.e. a delusional bunch of fanatics, convinced of their own good intentions, and comically out of whack with reality.

    and the right are none of those? really? no i think you will find those against discrimination and bigotry and the rest are as in touch with reality as it can get.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    The left latching on to the traveller cause is probably the worst misfortune that ever happened to the travellers.

    oh its not.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    For the last 30 odd years, travellers have been told they have all the rights, but none of the responsibilities that a normal citizen of this state has

    they have been told they have rights and responsibilities.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    (plus some extra benefits too, like being absolved of the requirement to pay taxes

    like other social welfare recipients? they don't pay tax either. no fo outrage about that though
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    Not to mention all the state benefits we as tax payers can throw at them.

    like other social welfare recipients.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    The result of all of that coddling is now a broken and dysfunctional society.

    that would have happened anyway. society always gets worse from the point of view of the previous generation.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    It’s time for the left to quit condescending to travellers, and treat them like normal functional adults. Less treating them like children and more tough love.

    its not time for the left to do anything seeing as they aren't doing anything. tough love doesn't work or it would be happening. what it is time to do is people who wouldn't dare bash other groups because of the actions of a few stop bashing all travelers because of the actions of some, and using any excuse to do it and make their nonsense exceptable.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    the residents are right to object on reasonable grounds to any unruly demographic that can potentially cause havoc in their neighbourhood.

    they can do it via the system that exists to allow objections. they do not have any right to block the council from using its sites by implementing a blockade. the council are stupid to allow this blockade continue.
    MysticalRain wrote: »
    There’s the other side of the coin too. Even if a group of travellers are peaceful and law abiding, their nomadic life style still creates friction with a bunch of settled people living in the 21st century.

    it only creates friction for those looking for an excuse to beat the traveling community. even those taking part in nomadic traditions all live in the 21st century. you would have been thought about the years and centuries when you went to school. one can't be in a different century when the years and centuries change.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #578
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Would you like the halting site right next to your house?

    How do you know I don't live on one?

    How do you know I have a house?

    Why do you persist in asking the same question, like a broken record, as if it added anything to the debate?


  • #579
    222233
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    I empathise entirely with the victims - what a terrible tragedy. I am however on the side of the residents and I think Dublin City Council have put them in a terrible position, I hope they find an alternative site for the families.


  • #580
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    For us to be racists, the travellers can't be Irish? And if they are Irish, why are they getting special treatment over the other homeless?
    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Fair enough they need complete rewiring and replumbing (odd for such new houses)
    Sounds like someone has taken all the copper :pac:
    gandalf wrote: »
    The only solution I would see working is to put all the resources they were going to into the temporary location into getting the permanent location up to speed with the existing workers who are working on it at the moment. With those kind of resources they should be able to get the family into the permanent location before Christmas which is surely a far better result than moving them into a unsuitable location where they are not wanted.
    This is something that has confused me. why are the council spending their money twice, to fix one problem?
    whatismyname wrote: »
    Also, out of interest what do you think will happen to the new permanent site currently being constructed, since 'residents know the site won't be there for six months'
    What guarantee that the travellers won't decide to stay where they are because X family has into the free halting site?
    PandaPoo wrote: »
    She told us to make sure we have our doors and windows locked and to keep our eyes on them. Thought that was really uncalled for and rude :(
    I'm guessing she'd had experience of stuff going missing?
    end of the road wrote: »
    the council does
    The council are not treating them the same as everyone else then.
    end of the road wrote: »
    the council are doing their duty in providing basic facilities for those still taking part in nomadic traditions.
    The council are giving free land to the non-travelling travellers. They don't move enough to be nomadic.
    irishpancake wrote: »
    These are not average Joe's, not by a long chalk.
    Oh, we know that. Because if they were "average Joe's", they'd be put onto the housing list, or put into an uninhabited council house.


  • #581
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    EazyD wrote: »
    Don't believe he said any of that anywhere, he/she is pointing out the gross misuse of a word in the media that is in no way, shape or form applicable to the group in discussion. Last time I checked Irish travellers are just that, Irish.

    Didn't say what?

    He did use "them", which I took to refer to travellers as a group, and more than once.

    So there is no basis for your belief, if you actually read the post.

    Here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97428095&postcount=447

    "Also fully support the residents, wouldn't want them living anywhere near me either, and all the wailing hearts on here giving out, would you be happy for them to set up camp next door to you? I doubt it somehow!"

    See, he did, didn't he.


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  • #582
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    irishpancake wrote: »
    I'm afraid Sir, you are blinded by prejudice.

    These are not average Joe's, not by a long chalk.

    They are survivors of the biggest catastrophe to strike in Ireland since the Stardust Fire and the Dublin Monaghan Bombings.

    Have you no thought whatsoever for the condition of these human beings?

    They are in shock, traumatised, physically and mentally scarred...

    having survived an inferno which took away almost half their number, from a relatively small group of 25, the fatality rate was 40%.

    Do you realise what that must do to people?

    Why do people make these distasteful comparisons with Average Joe?

    Of course one would hope Joe will be looked after, in a humanitarian way, and as well as the State can provide.

    That's why we have such a thing as Society.

    And our understanding of Society in Ireland is based upon Christianity, and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    What would he advise, do you think?

    Love of one's neighbour as oneself.....the only commandment is love one another as He has loved us.

    Just stop, stand back, and look at what you are saying.

    There are funerals coming up, many funerals, children, women and men.

    if Jesus was any use he wouldn't have left this happen, leave him out of it.

    any thought for the countless elderly people of Ireland suffering "shock, traumatised, physically and mentally scarred" by members of this culture?

    Yes it's a tragedy, but two wrongs don't make a right. What exactly is traveller culture anyway?
    -A life of poor health, poor hygiene depression, high illiteracy rates, criminality, low life expectancy, discrimation (whether deserved is subjective).

    Time for society to stop pandering to traveller nonsense and their sense of entitlement while reciprocating sweet FA, and complete disrespect for others. Not all are bad of course, but I have yet to encounter one.


  • #583
    222233
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    the_syco wrote: »
    For us to be racists, the travellers can't be Irish? And if they are Irish, why are they getting special treatment over the other homeless?

    i never even thought of this.. now I'm angry ? Can anyone answer as to why this case has been prioritised???


  • #584
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,787 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the_syco wrote: »
    For us to be racists, the travellers can't be Irish? And if they are Irish, why are they getting special treatment over the other homeless?

    they aren't getting special treatment. all that is happening here is emergency accommodation being provided for people who lost a large number of family members, in the biggest loss of life since stardust. you can swap the word racist with bigot, i think that is a more accurate word.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #585
    222233
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    end of the road wrote: »
    they aren't getting special treatment. all that is happening here is emergency accommodation being provided for people who lost a large number of family members, in the biggest loss of life since stardust. you can swap the word racist with bigot, i think that is a more accurate word.

    You do realise there are most certainly other people in this country who are homeless as a result of the death of a spouse or parent etc?


  • #586
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    When someone throws the "racist" epithet around very casually, the argument is lost.

    Travellers are not a separate ethnic race are they? So how can those people who disagree with, or are uncomfortable about Traveller lifestyle be called Racist? It's an impossibility.

    But it's an easy riposte to any argument that one doesn't like.

    I was commenting upon what poster RollieFingers said was in the IT.

    You might note that I didn't use the apparently taboo "epithet" you mention.

    I don't actually think it's an impossibility, it's just some peoples way of getting around the "epithet", which could be aptly applied to them, in their own tiny minds.

    A lot of Irish people doth protest too much,

    "I'm not a bloody "epithet", so I'm not..."

    Yeah right.... :rolleyes:


  • #587
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,787 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    discrimation (whether deserved is subjective).

    its not subjective at all. discrimination is never deserved and must be eradicated.
    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Time for society to stop pandering to traveller nonsense and their sense of entitlement while reciprocating sweet FA, and complete disrespect for others.

    it is not time for society to stop ensuring basic facilities for those of a nomadic nature. there is no pandering, its just simple ensuring all have access to systems to help them. having a sense of entitlement while reciprocating sweet FA, and complete disrespect for others is nothing unique to the traveling community

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #588
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    end of the road wrote: »
    funny how they are making these claims just as the council plan to implement a temporary haulting site. they claim they are being "bullied" by the council when they aren't, along with all the other generalizations against travelers. yeah, i think i will stick to my stance tbh

    It's really just an Emergency site.....Temporary is a loaded word for some.


  • #589
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    there has been no anti-social behaviour on that site


    Have you provided proof of this yet?

    That usually works the other way round, M'lud......

    Which Stool of Law did you attend?


  • #590
    MysticalRain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭MysticalRain


    end of the road wrote: »
    oh its not.

    end of the road, I'm not debating anyone who's counterpoint is "oh its not" or "because I say it is". You have not offered any facts, evidence, or coherent logic to back up any of your points made in that post.

    You have been repeatedly called out on your BS in this thread and many others. Now learn how to debate properly, and put up, or shut up.
    don't exist. there is no such thing as pc, there is no such thing as bleeding hearts.

    Of course I couldn't let this one go. Just because you say something, it doesn't make it true. No matter how much you wish it to be. Well here's a newsflash for you: many folks are sick and tired of this PC bull**** we see for certain elements of the left these days. In fact even many left-wingers like myself are sick of it. All you are really doing is acting as a useful idiot to stand up for the kinds of people who laugh at your kind and have nothing but contempt for you. Do you think your cries of "But I'm a liberal..." would save you from your house being robbed or your head being kicked in by travellers (as you apparently suspect would happen seeing as you refused to admit that you wouldn't like to live beside a halting site).


  • #591
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    How do you know they are not being bullied by the council?

    Do you think they are?

    Have you proof of that?


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  • #592
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    anewme wrote: »
    A garda did make the comment that they were "acquainted" with the site, so that would indicate there was contact.

    This is evidence.......of what?

    I'm sure many Gardaí were "acquainted" with many sites, pubs, houses, and other places in the history of AGS.

    Does this term have any special significance?

    Like "known to the Gardaí" has.

    Or was some Garda speaking off the cuff?


  • #593
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    keano_afc wrote: »
    I've checked through the thread but I believe you still havent backed up your claims that allegations of anti-social behaviour levelled by the residents are untrue. Just a gentle reminder.

    I believe the onus of proof lies with the accuser, say of anti social or criminal behaviour.

    Why should anyone have to provide proof of a lack of criminality?

    Do you understand the basic principles of common law?

    It doesn't seem so.

    If you are alleging criminality, you provide the proof.

    The accused person(s) don't need to provide proof of innocence, they are innocent, until proved guilty.

    The only situation where the onus of proof lies with the defendant in such an action is in a defamation [libel] case, where the plaintiff need say nothing.


  • #594
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    How about you answer the point I made, let the rich travellers pay for their own houses, they have money no doubt about that.

    I think many rich Travellers do indeed own their own houses.


  • #595
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    end of the road wrote: »
    lovely. we now know what we are dealing with here.



    defend their nomadic tradition. the left have nothing to do with it, apart from not using the actions of some to beat a whole community.



    the travelers have and do suffer genuine discrimination.



    don't exist. there is no such thing as pc, there is no such thing as bleeding hearts. no matter how many times certain types try throw these wannabe derogatory terms into their little rants, it won't change that fact.



    and the right are none of those? really? no i think you will find those against discrimination and bigotry and the rest are as in touch with reality as it can get.



    oh its not.



    they have been told they have rights and responsibilities.



    like other social welfare recipients? they don't pay tax either. no fo outrage about that though



    like other social welfare recipients.



    that would have happened anyway. society always gets worse from the point of view of the previous generation.



    its not time for the left to do anything seeing as they aren't doing anything. tough love doesn't work or it would be happening. what it is time to do is people who wouldn't dare bash other groups because of the actions of a few stop bashing all travelers because of the actions of some, and using any excuse to do it and make their nonsense exceptable.



    they can do it via the system that exists to allow objections. they do not have any right to block the council from using its sites by implementing a blockade. the council are stupid to allow this blockade continue.



    it only creates friction for those looking for an excuse to beat the traveling community. even those taking part in nomadic traditions all live in the 21st century. you would have been thought about the years and centuries when you went to school. one can't be in a different century when the years and centuries change.

    You have examples of Jim Crow laws against travellers, or that they were discriminated against in the 19th century anymore than the rest of Catholic Ireland? If not then comparing them to African Americans is a joke.

    On the other hand Ireland has been prepared to allow them to have their lifestyle, and built houses and halting sites. We don't force them to work (unlike communist states and other gyspy groups) I agree with all that.

    What's asked in return is less anti social behaviour.


  • #596
    HIB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭HIB


    irishpancake wrote: »
    I think many rich Travellers do indeed own their own houses.

    Like the ones in Rathkeale is it? The 'nomads' who've decided to buy up a whole town.


  • #597
    irishpancake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭irishpancake


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    irish times ran a poll earlier about whether or not the protesters were right to opposed the move - 78% of the votes backed the residents. they highlighted however that when it came to commenting on it, the vast majority of people were supporting the travellers. so either people are hypocrites or else the reality is, people are afraid to comment in public about a topic, but in private dont support it.

    that means 22% of people are lairs or more to the point, part of the usual moral outrage brigade who critisice everything thats remotely controversial.


    can we add a poll here to see if people would like to live next to a halting site?

    Do you not think that poll shows that most Irish people are hypocrites?

    That, to me, would be the primary lesson from the stats you have given, and coincides with personal viewpoint, that Irish people are indeed hypocritical, shallow and casually bigoted against many groups, including refugees, travellers, Roma, etc.

    We have not matured as a people at all.

    But things are looking up.


  • #598
    tom_k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭tom_k


    sasta le wrote: »
    The nice travellers you know do they live like us?Would you know there travellers?

    I don't wish to be awkward but I'm not sure I fully understand these questions.

    I can't say if these "nice" travellers live like me or us. In fact I don't know anyone who lives quite like I do :pac: The decent ones I know or have known would be people I've found that I've common ground with. Some would live on sites, others in houses. Some would work/have worked, some work for themselves, some receive DSP payments. Some would encourage their children in education, others less so.

    At the risk of stereotyping, I've noticed all to be great talkers, jokers and storytellers, the oral tradition being very strong I've found among Travellers. I've also found them to have quite amazing and almost encyclopaedic knowledge of places and roads throughout the country with one older lad from Navan being able to pinpoint where I'm from in Mayo down to a wood a half mile away he'd snared rabbits in as a kid.

    Would I know they're Travellers? Well, I would, but I really don't know who else would.


  • #599
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,787 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    MysticalRain wrote: »
    end of the road, I'm not debating anyone who's counterpoint is "oh its not" or "because I say it is". You have not offered any facts, evidence, or coherent logic to back up any of your points made in that post.

    You have been repeatedly called out on your BS in this thread and many others. Now learn how to debate properly, and put up, or shut up.



    Of course I couldn't let this one go. Just because you say something, it doesn't make it true. No matter how much you wish it to be. Well here's a newsflash for you: many folks are sick and tired of this PC bull**** we see for certain elements of the left these days. In fact even many left-wingers like myself are sick of it. All you are really doing is acting as a useful idiot to stand up for the kinds of people who laugh at your kind and have nothing but contempt for you. Do you think your cries of "But I'm a liberal..." would save you from your house being robbed or your head being kicked in by travellers (as you apparently suspect would happen seeing as you refused to admit that you wouldn't like to live beside a halting site).
    i have offered facts, evidence, and logic and this thread backs it all up. i have been called out on no bs, all be it some don't wish to hear the truth which is what i deal only. i know how to debate properly so won't be putting up and shutting up. there is no pc. its a term made up by those who's views and ideals are no longer relevant to throw into their little victim rants.
    HIB wrote: »
    Like the ones in Rathkeale is it? The 'nomads' who've decided to buy up a whole town.
    yes, good old market forces at work. people sold, the travelers bought

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #600
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    irishpancake wrote: »
    Do you think they are?

    Have you proof of that?

    I would consider how they stuck letters in through the residents doors when most were not at home and then turned up to start work an hour later as bullying and railroading the residents and trying to shaft them!

    If the council were in any way honest and decent with this situation they would not be trying to "DUMP" this group of people onto the area where they will clearly know they are not wanted! They would have found temporary homeless accommodation for them the same as they would do for any average Joe/Mary who had lost half his family in a house fire.

    As for the comments of Alan Kelly about the residents well I think the less said about that waster **** the better! how dare he and other useless ministers and td's basically call these residents bigots and racists for trying to protect the way of life they have sweated for and paid dearly for! Shame on them and may they have the finest of traveller families move into lands all around them!


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  • #601
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    irishpancake wrote: »
    Do you not think that poll shows that most Irish people are hypocrites?
    How does the poll show that?
    That, to me, would be the primary lesson from the stats you have given, and coincides with personal viewpoint, that Irish people are indeed hypocritical, shallow and casually bigoted against many groups, including refugees, travellers, Roma, etc.

    We have not matured as a people at all.

    But things are looking up.
    Anymore racist comments you care to share with us?


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