Will you be wearing the poppy this year ?

RobertKK · 18-10-2015 11:12AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You obviously didn't go to the same school as me then.

The entry of the UK into the war is what really raised the death toll, they did not have to enter it. They felt threatened by the rising power of the Kaiser in Europe, even though the Kaiser was not threatening the British empire.
The British empire didn't want a rival in Europe.
Then the winners decided to humiliate Germany for the war, which eventually led to WW2.

Who commemorates all the dead civilians these needless wars caused?

People wearing poppies to commemorate dead soldiers who were needlessly sent off to be killed, nothing about politicians who failed the people of Britain and Ireland by doing this. Nothing about the countless dead this decision caused.
Nothing about how this led to the creation of a monster who would wage war and systematically murder people.

The problem is politicians continue to use WW1 and it's dead to focus on the military and how honourable it is suppose to be. You hear nothing about the terrible decisions of the politicians.
The same decisions that cause things like the invasion of Iraq and a blood thirst that continues to defile this planet.

There is so much wrong in how the past is remembered.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 18-10-2015 11:34AM

Penny Tration wrote: »

I live around the corner from there and plenty of people wear poppies in there.

No they don't, stop that.

OP I've worn one in the past but then at the time I was working closely with the British military attache here.

I'd family who fought in WWI, and some of our greatest Irish patriots also served with distinction in the British army. One of our lesser known patriots was also awarded the VC and MM for his service in the British army in India and Europe, he came home to fight in our war of independence then died in service with the national army.

His body is interned in the British war cemetery in Grangegormon.

We shouldn't be ashamed of our links with the British army.

corner of hells · 18-10-2015 11:49AM

realies wrote: »

It's my turn to start the thread this year, I was promised...

It's my turn to start a dole bashing the ad , I'll swap it for your poppy thread.

NachoBusiness · 18-10-2015 11:51AM

If Poppy is the name of a low IQ lap dancer with daddy issues, then yes, perhaps I will be wearing a Poppy this year.

OhDearyMe · 18-10-2015 11:52AM

Yes. I'm going to cover myself completely head-to-toe in poppies for the next fortnight.

steddyeddy · 18-10-2015 11:58AM

The British should be proud of their army's efforts in WW1 and 2 but as long as the poppy honours the whole army (e.g. the 1st battalion parachute regiment) I can't wear it.

glued · 18-10-2015 12:04PM

Why would any Irish person affiliate themselves with an another countries customs? It's quite a bizarre thing for any Irish person to wear a poppy unless a relative was part of the British Armed forces.

Berserker · 18-10-2015 12:08PM

Yay, the annual poppy thread. I will be wearing one, as usual. Love the Remembrance Sunday service in our local church.

glued wrote: »

Why would any Irish person affiliate themselves with an another countries customs? It's quite a bizarre thing for any Irish person to wear a poppy unless a relative was part of the British Armed forces.

Many, many Irish people will have relatives who served in WWI or WWII.

Turtyturd · 18-10-2015 12:13PM

Plenty of poppys in Northside?

F*ckin' 'ell.

Richard Hillman · 18-10-2015 12:36PM

I'm going to wear so many Poppys that they will form one massive poppy in itself.

Azalea · 18-10-2015 12:42PM

No. I have no reason to do so (not that I disrespect the countless young men and boys who went to their deaths in the trenches at the behest of their masters). Most Irish people won't so I don't understand why the question is being asked. I would say some (not all) of the Irish people who wear one do so for attention-seeking reasons and to doff their caps to their "betters".

_Kaiser_ · 18-10-2015 12:57PM

Nope, but nothing to do with "de Brits".. just something I wouldn't even think about at all. Ditto the 1916 celebrations next year which will probably just be an extended Paddy's Day-style pissup for most.

Menas · 18-10-2015 01:05PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Nope, but nothing to do with "de Brits".. just something I wouldn't even think about at all. Ditto the 1916 celebrations next year which will probably just be an extended Paddy's Day-style pissup for most.

Any political party campaigning in the next election can pick up a few % points by simply promising an extra public holiday for the 1916 commemoration/piss up.

Berserker · 18-10-2015 01:20PM

Menas wrote: »

Any political party campaigning in the next election can pick up a few % points by simply promising an extra public holiday for the 1916 commemoration/piss up.

I am amazed that they haven't tried to pull this yet. I expect to hear about it once the election is called. It'll be a weekend to go away on hols for any sane person.

Sheep Lover · 18-10-2015 01:20PM

Berserker wrote: »

Many, many Irish people will have relatives who served in WWI or WWII.

Irish people fought for the Nazis too in WWII but we probably won't be goosestepping and Sieg Heiling anytime soon.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 18-10-2015 01:29PM

Azalea wrote: »

No. I have no reason to do so (not that I disrespect the countless young men and boys who went to their deaths in the trenches at the behest of their masters). Most Irish people won't so I don't understand why the question is being asked. I would say some (not all) of the Irish people who wear one do so for attention-seeking reasons and to doff their caps to their "betters".

I fully accept your reasons for not wearing one but don't be so condescending towards those of us who would wear one to remember our family dead. My Uncle dies in WW1. My wearing a poppy would be for no attention seeking. And I've no idea what 'betters' I would wish to doff my non-existent cap to. Throwing in you bracketed 'not all' is a cop out.

Azalea · 18-10-2015 01:33PM

Princeton Square Tadpole wrote: »

Throwing in you bracketed 'not all' is a cop out.

No it isn't. It would be wrong of me not to include it. It indicates an awareness that some poppy wearers in this country, like you, have genuine reasons for it. And there are southern unionists (although I personally think it's a bit strange that they live in the republic).

But then there are the CCOB/Eoghan Harris-esque self loathing types with an inferiority complex who fawn over the British establishment and hardline unionists and "wish we were still" part of the empire (well they probably don't really).

arybvtcw0eolkf · 18-10-2015 01:35PM

Princeton Square Tadpole wrote: »

I fully accept your reasons for not wearing one but don't be so condescending towards those of us who would wear one to remember our family dead. My Uncle dies in WW1. My wearing a poppy would be for no attention seeking. And I've no idea what 'betters' I would wish to doff my non-existent cap to. Throwing in you bracketed 'not all' is a cop out.

Don't forget that a lot of people here are largely ignorant of the British Legions Poppy Appeal and how its helped the soldiers who have served & their families long after the soldiers service has finished.

So these people are largely just showing their ignorance.

I was too young to have seen it, but I remember stories of how the 'Legion helped my family when they were on hard times after the war.

Qualitymark · 18-10-2015 01:38PM

I might wear a white poppy from the Peace Pledge Union http://www.ppu.org.uk/whitepoppy/

I certainly won't wear the red poppy that glorifies soldiers including the Black-and-Tans in Ireland and Palestine. I don't understand why this should even be a question asked of Irish people.

In most countries this just isn't a thing. In France, a few politicians wear the cornflower (the French symbol of World War I) on November 11; otherwise it's not worn at all.

steddyeddy · 18-10-2015 01:39PM

Avery Tight Kindle wrote: »

Don't forget that a lot of people here are largely ignorant of the British Legions Poppy Appeal and how its helped the soldiers who have served & their families long after the soldiers service has finished.

So these people are largely just showing their ignorance.

I was too young to have seen it, but I remember stories of how the 'Legion helped my family when they were on hard times after the war.

It's not ignorance dude as it's fairly well advertised. It's just not my tradition.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 18-10-2015 01:40PM

Azalea wrote: »

No it isn't. It would be wrong of me not to include it. It indicates an awareness that some poppy wearers in this country, like you, have genuine reasons for it. And there are southern unionists (although I personally think it's a bit strange that they live in the republic).

But then there are the CCOB/Eoghan Harris-esque self loathing types with an inferiority complex who fawn over the British establishment and hardline unionists and "wish we were still" part of the empire (well they probably don't really).

Some, some?? You have no idea how many have justified honest reasons for wanting to remember. Your post was still a dig at those wearing a poppy no matter how you wish to cover yourself with tokens.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 18-10-2015 01:44PM

You'd have to be pretty retarded to think the Poppy Appeal glorifies war.

It helps soldiers and their families who have served during war AND peace.

Sheep Lover · 18-10-2015 01:50PM

Avery Tight Kindle wrote: »

You'd have to be pretty retarded to think the Poppy Appeal glorifies war.

Poppy Appeal makes its sound like an old dear outside Centra collecting a few euro.

It's a total propaganda tool which is all over British media with the lambasting of anyone who chooses not to wear one. Take football for example, totally politicised for a couple of weeks with poppys sown onto jerseys and military displays before each match. The celebrating of the slaughter of native people in numerous invasions throughout history

To say it doesn't glorify war would be "retarded".

steddyeddy · 18-10-2015 01:52PM

Avery Tight Kindle wrote: »

You'd have to be pretty retarded to think the Poppy Appeal glorifies war.

It helps soldiers and their families who have served during war AND peace.

No but we're in a country with a long negative history involving the British army. They contributed heavily to the troubles on this island. Some of the soldiers are not people I want to see helped IMHO. Granted they make a small proportion of the army but their actions are still glorified by some in the British establishment.

Berserker · 18-10-2015 01:52PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Poppy Appeal makes its sound like an old dear outside Centra collecting a few euro.

That's exactly what it is.

Azalea · 18-10-2015 01:55PM

Princeton Square Tadpole wrote: »

Some, some?? You have no idea how many have justified honest reasons for wanting to remember. Your post was still a dig at those wearing a poppy no matter how you wish to cover yourself with tokens.

Read it into it what you want to, but I have no problem whatsoever with people who wear a poppy for genuine reasons.

justchecked · 18-10-2015 02:04PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

It's not ignorance dude as it's fairly well advertised. It's just not my tradition.

I suppose you didnt even get off your hole and go to mecca this year either.

Some people.

steddyeddy · 18-10-2015 02:09PM

justchecked wrote: »

I suppose you didnt even get off your hole and go to mecca this year either.

Some people.

I know. Nor did I celebrate Hanukkah or honour the Nepalese army or anything else unconnected with me.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 18-10-2015 02:10PM

Azalea wrote: »

Read it into it what you want to, but I have no problem whatsoever with people who wear a poppy for genuine reasons.

And that's perfectly fine but don't assume anybody's reasons and lump us all together.

beerpong · 18-10-2015 02:20PM

My grandfather fought in world war 2 and I won't be wearing one.. The Poppy is a propaganda tool akin to "support our troops" and flag worship in the US.

The British establishment would be better of supporting their troops by not invading lands for private gain, by not sending soldiers out ill equipped, by not abandoning these soldiers when their job is done.

Will you be wearing the poppy this year ?

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