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whelan2 · 15-10-2015 07:42PM

putting scanning dates into computer, will be very busy next spring, daughters confirmation is on 29th february , right in the middle of everything:eek:

visatorro · 15-10-2015 11:07PM

4.18 fat
3.81 prot
14 litres.
two bales of silage/ day. medium quality. cows will be housed 1st of November. no grass. got scc of 300 yesterday so I may organise milk record.

not happy with yields, heifers really fell off cliff. a lot of them basically dried themselves up. all in calf thou.

Greengrass1 · 15-10-2015 11:08PM

visatorro wrote: »

4.18 fat
3.81 prot
14 litres.
two bales of silage/ day. medium quality. cows will be housed 1st of November. no grass. got scc of 300 yesterday so I may organise milk record.

not happy with yields, heifers really fell off cliff. a lot of them basically dried themselves up. all in calf thou.

Would you dry off heifers so? Little point milking them on if there falling behind

Milked out · 16-10-2015 10:37AM

2 heifers and a bull landed between last night and this morning, had them near yard for calving went to check em this morning and the heifer I was expecting to calf this morn nowhere to be seen. She managed to go over a ditch thru paddocks over to last field on the farm alongside main batch of dries and calves her bull calf there. Fecker added an hour to my morn bringing her back to parlour.

stanflt · 16-10-2015 10:43AM

2 more heifers yesterday- that's 10 from 12 calvings so far- one was a twin to a bull thou

Fresh heifers milking really well
Have an abo ksk wly Ocp Ygb all milking-

jaymla627 · 16-10-2015 11:07AM

visatorro wrote: »

4.18 fat
3.81 prot
14 litres.
two bales of silage/ day. medium quality. cows will be housed 1st of November. no grass. got scc of 300 yesterday so I may organise milk record.

not happy with yields, heifers really fell off cliff. a lot of them basically dried themselves up. all in calf thou.

What's the sire make-up of the heifers would you be using a good lot of high ebi genomic bulls, was slightly bemused the other day when I seen a neighbour has a bull in ai this year with a milk sub index of plus 217kg of milk actually have a group of cows of this man that where bred of ldu and calved down the same year as the bulls above mother and their all 100k plus for milk but their performance is pretty crap and no way matches up to their ebi rating for milk given what feeds going in and compared to other cows in the herd

stanflt · 16-10-2015 11:10AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

What's the sire make-up of the heifers would you be using a good lot of high ebi genomic bulls, was slightly bemused the other day when I seen a neighbour has a bull in ai this year with a milk sub index of plus 217kg of milk actually have a group of cows of this man that where bred of abo and calved down the same year as the bulls above mother and their all 100k plus for milk but their performance is pretty crap and no way matches up to their ebi rating for milk given what feeds going in and compared to other cows in the herd

Cow bred off abo would only be heifers this year
And kg milk is 100% genetics nothing to do with feeding

jaymla627 · 16-10-2015 11:55AM

stanflt wrote: »

Cow bred off abo would only be heifers this year
And kg milk is 100% genetics nothing to do with feeding

Got mixed up ment to say ldu, totally agree it's 100% genetics but would question the reliability of ebi on genomic animals for kg milk

stanflt · 16-10-2015 12:15PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Got mixed up ment to say ldu, totally agree it's 100% genetics but would question the reliability of ebi on genomic animals for kg milk

Are you sure it's Ldu cause they are incredible cows to milk and go in calf

whelan2 · 16-10-2015 01:03PM

Milked out wrote: »

2 heifers and a bull landed between last night and this morning, had them near yard for calving went to check em this morning and the heifer I was expecting to calf this morn nowhere to be seen. She managed to go over a ditch thru paddocks over to last field on the farm alongside main batch of dries and calves her bull calf there. Fecker added an hour to my morn bringing her back to parlour.

similar morning here, topped off with one of the kids sick and off school. Often wondered how people cope were both parents are going to work .

Timmaay · 16-10-2015 01:18PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

What's the sire make-up of the heifers would you be using a good lot of high ebi genomic bulls, was slightly bemused the other day when I seen a neighbour has a bull in ai this year with a milk sub index of plus 217kg of milk actually have a group of cows of this man that where bred of ldu and calved down the same year as the bulls above mother and their all 100k plus for milk but their performance is pretty crap and no way matches up to their ebi rating for milk given what feeds going in and compared to other cows in the herd

Our DG summer tour was very interesting this year, both farmers we visited were tight spring calving with Br Fr cows and milk KGs only +20kg, both farmers were delivering more litres per cow (over 6kL) than alot of the farmers in ourown group, who would mostly be grass based liquid herds and milking through the winter. Management management management was the message that got really hammered home that day ha. I'm alot less hung up on the figures (EBI, milk kgs etc etc) than I was, and more interested in trying to improve the herd here, less tolerlance for passagers, irrespective of her figures etc, that's what puts money in the bank, not worrying about what book value a cow has for milk/ebi etc.

stanflt · 16-10-2015 01:21PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Our DG summer tour was very interesting this year, both farmers we visited were tight spring calving with Br Fr cows and milk KGs only +20kg, both farmers were delivering more litres per cow (over 6kL) than alot of the farmers in ourown group, who would mostly be grass based liquid herds and milking through the winter. Management management management was the message that got really hammered home that day ha. I'm alot less hung up on the figures (EBI, milk kgs etc etc) than I was, and more interested in trying to improve the herd here, less tolerlance for passagers, irrespective of her figures etc, that's what puts money in the bank, not worrying about what book value a cow has for milk/ebi etc.

Bang on management is the most influential factor on the farm

mahoney_j · 16-10-2015 02:41PM

Been shopping for dry cow tubes and sealers this am .using orbenin extra and sealers .best price per cow 10.50 cash .anyone doing any better

degetme · 16-10-2015 03:11PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Been shopping for dry cow tubes and sealers this am .using orbenin extra and sealers .best price per cow 10.50 cash .anyone doing any better

Did you do a milk culture and sensitivity test?

Greengrass1 · 16-10-2015 03:15PM

stanflt wrote: »

Bang on management is the most influential factor on the farm

Are you not am ebi chaser Stan?

mahoney_j · 16-10-2015 03:15PM

degetme wrote: »

Did you do a milk culture and sensitivity test?

SCC ave so far this year 84 ,currently 42 so not going to bother .normally I would though know a lad with SCC of 140 ave going to just use sealers across the board ,not sure I'd agree......

stanflt · 16-10-2015 05:17PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Are you not am ebi chaser Stan?

No I'm a production chaser with good fertility and longevity

Not chasing a figure- chasing a profitable cow
Just happens that what I want the ebi rates the highest
You can't just pick a bull because he is 350 ebi plus- he has to increase what you need to increase in your own herd

Lads often give out saying that they had a 300ebi bull calf that no ai company wanted- reality is he wasn't wanted for a reason- too low in one strength compared to another
The Bulls available now are much much more balanced than a few years ago- ie most of the high ebi bulls only had fertility and no production- which in turn is why so many people were sceptical about ebi

stanflt · 16-10-2015 05:17PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Are you not am ebi chaser Stan?

No I'm a production chaser with good fertility and longevity

Not chasing a figure- chasing a profitable cow
Just happens that what I want the ebi rates the highest
You can't just pick a bull because he is 350 ebi plus- he has to increase what you need to increase in your own herd

Lads often give out saying that they had a 300ebi bull calf that no ai company wanted- reality is he wasn't wanted for a reason- too low in one strength compared to another
The Bulls available now are much much more balanced than a few years ago- ie most of the high ebi bulls only had fertility and no production- which in turn is why so many people were sceptical about ebi

mahoney_j · 16-10-2015 05:56PM

stanflt wrote: »

No I'm a production chaser with good fertility and longevity

Not chasing a figure- chasing a profitable cow
Just happens that what I want the ebi rates the highest
You can't just pick a bull because he is 350 ebi plus- he has to increase what you need to increase in your own herd

Lads often give out saying that they had a 300ebi bull calf that no ai company wanted- reality is he wasn't wanted for a reason- too low in one strength compared to another
The Bulls available now are much much more balanced than a few years ago- ie most of the high ebi bulls only had fertility and no production- which in turn is why so many people were sceptical about ebi

Agree had 4 calves tested in last 2 years with ebi over 300 and 2 350 + that didn't make cut one had massive fertility but only 20 kg milk and 8 kg solids other had +250 kg milk and 23 kg solidsand minus protein% but ****e fertility .sold but as stock bulls out of yard after

Buford T. Justice XIX · 16-10-2015 07:06PM

stanflt wrote: »

No I'm a production chaser with good fertility and longevity

Not chasing a figure- chasing a profitable cow
Just happens that what I want the ebi rates the highest
You can't just pick a bull because he is 350 ebi plus- he has to increase what you need to increase in your own herd

Lads often give out saying that they had a 300ebi bull calf that no ai company wanted- reality is he wasn't wanted for a reason- too low in one strength compared to another
The Bulls available now are much much more balanced than a few years ago- ie most of the high ebi bulls only had fertility and no production- which in turn is why so many people were sceptical about ebi

Are you reaching the maximum output off grass at those outputs, Stan? Will any increase in production now have come from more energy in the total kgs of DM consumed or do you think there is much more left in grass?

stanflt · 16-10-2015 07:51PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Are you reaching the maximum output off grass at those outputs, Stan? Will any increase in production now have come from more energy in the total kgs of DM consumed or do you think there is much more left in grass?

higher milk now is at the mercy of buffer feeding-be it in parlour or at the feed face-fairly maxed out in terms of output from grass

Dawggone · 16-10-2015 08:46PM

stanflt wrote: »

higher milk now is at the mercy of buffer feeding-be it in parlour or at the feed face-fairly maxed out in terms of output from grass

How many litres can you squeeze out of grass Stan?

stanflt · 16-10-2015 09:34PM

Dawggone wrote: »

How many litres can you squeeze out of grass Stan?

5500 from forage which includes silage and maize- jan / February calving required

At about 5000 at the mo with feck all control on calving pattern

Dawggone · 16-10-2015 10:43PM

stanflt wrote: »

5500 from forage which includes silage and maize- jan / February calving required

At about 5000 at the mo with feck all control on calving pattern

Are you being a bit ambitious Stan
?
I'm calculating about 330litres (max) from my girls.
Nothing, but nothing produces milk like maize.

visatorro · 17-10-2015 06:44AM

stanflt wrote: »

Bang on management is the most influential factor on the farm

thats me f**ked so!!!

stanflt · 17-10-2015 08:50AM

visatorro wrote: »

thats me f**ked so!!!

Not at all- did you scan yet?

Milked out · 17-10-2015 09:19AM

Anyone winter calving down south? Afraid Schmallenberg might be around, have 2 calves that cant straighten their front legs and another that seems to have a problem with hips as well. Vet will take bloods to check. Are there deficiencies that can cause similar symptoms?. Cows are going full term more or less

Milked out · 17-10-2015 10:19AM

Milked out wrote: »

Anyone winter calving down south? Afraid Schmallenberg might be around, have 2 calves that cant straighten their front legs and another that seems to have a problem with hips as well. Vet will take bloods to check. Are there deficiencies that can cause similar symptoms?. Cows are going full term more or less

Was talking to vet on phone she said two calves with front leg issues could be contracted tendons. Lack of space sometimes causes it if they havent improved ill get em out to have a look in a few days have a job to do on a bull anyway .The other one she isn't sure but to test for Schmallenberg they need a brain tissue sample. It's looking like I'll have to put him down so may take him to lab to be safe. Been no cases in Ireland since 2013 so she is doubt full but they are not sure of the Immunity of herds since that time gap she was thinking heifers could be susceptible but these are all cows calves

stanflt · 17-10-2015 11:16AM

Milked out wrote: »

Was talking to vet on phone she said two calves with front leg issues could be contracted tendons. Lack of space sometimes causes it if they havent improved ill get em out to have a look in a few days have a job to do on a bull anyway .The other one she isn't sure but to test for Schmallenberg they need a brain tissue sample. It's looking like I'll have to put him down so may take him to lab to be safe. Been no cases in Ireland since 2013 so she is doubt full but they are not sure of the Immunity of herds since that time gap she was thinking heifers could be susceptible but these are all cows calves

That's awful- hope you don't have any more trouble

blackdog1 · 17-10-2015 12:13PM

Milked out wrote: »

Anyone winter calving down south? Afraid Schmallenberg might be around, have 2 calves that cant straighten their front legs and another that seems to have a problem with hips as well. Vet will take bloods to check. Are there deficiencies that can cause similar symptoms?. Cows are going full term more or less

I had 2 or 3 with googly eyes but I recon that's because I vaccinated them 2 weeks before calving. Not ideal but they were on an outfarm and didn't get round to them in time.

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