Residents attempt to blockade temporarily housing of survivors of Glenamuck

RayM · 13-10-2015 07:36PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Tragic accident. Awful thing to happen. But I wouldn't want an encampment of these people on my road. I get enough aggravation with them as it is. I understand why the residents blockaded them. The tragic accident isn't their fault but people not wanting them in the area may well be their own fault.

Do you know the bereaved people in question?

My name is URL · 13-10-2015 07:39PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Travellers tend to have a lot of loose animals, create rubbish, excess traffic as they tend to have a lot of vehicles

None of that really holds water if the view of their old site on Google is anything to go by

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2424014,-6.1908419,3a,49.5y,90.25h,83.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFwDo8geaythYMzSMGICEdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Maybe they got rid of all the garbage, animals and vans just for that one moment in time /s

The place looks better kept than many houses and gardens in the area

VinLieger · 13-10-2015 07:40PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It's not obvious at all. It could just as easily be prejudice with no prior experience whatsoever.

Or they maybe care about the future value of their houses cus no matter how they feel about travelers this "temporary" site will have a negative affect on it due to how travelers may viewed by anyone they try to sell it to

Technocentral · 13-10-2015 07:40PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Any evidence to suggest that the people in question didn't treat society with respect? According to those who lived near them in the other halting site they were all very polite, friendly and active members of the wider community.

Most of the kids were involved in the local GAA and rugby clubs.

So come on, post the evidence you have which shows that they were disrespectful to anyone.

Racism doesn't need any proof URL, its a filthy sickness like the pox. To be fair there is only a handful of the low lives "protesting", at least in that picture.

VinLieger · 13-10-2015 07:42PM

My name is URL wrote: »

None of that really holds water if the view of their old site on Google is anything to go by

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2424014,-6.1908419,3a,49.5y,90.25h,83.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFwDo8geaythYMzSMGICEdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Maybe they got rid of all the garbage, animals and vans just for that one moment in time /s

The place looks better kept than many houses and gardens in the area

Good for you you! Now go back to map mode and view the state of the surrounding field

colm_mcm · 13-10-2015 07:46PM

Given that what burnt down were temporary dwellings, why are they not doing the forensics on the site, clearing it, and craning another portakabin in? Surely this would take a few days max?

How does it take 8 months?

end of the road · 13-10-2015 07:49PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

When travellers start treating society with respect they'll get respect back.

when people stop being bigoted toards travelers and making excuses for such bigotry then travelers might be willing to respect society more.

Hurtbuthealing · 13-10-2015 07:49PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

Given that what burnt down were temporary dwellings, why are they not doing the forensics on the site, clearing it, and craning another portakabin in? Surely this would take a few days max?

How does it take 8 months?

Classy, send the survivors back to the scene of the tragedy and forget about them!
Wow, great to see that humanity, sympathy, and empathy still abounds!

VinLieger · 13-10-2015 07:51PM

Hurtbuthealing wrote: »

Classy, send the survivors back to the scene of the tragedy and forget about them!
Wow, great to see that humanity, sympathy, and empathy still abounds!

So should everyone who suffers a tragedy on their property be immediately relocated at the expense of the taxpayer?

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 07:53PM

Hurtbuthealing wrote: »

Classy, send the survivors back to the scene of the tragedy and forget about them!
Wow, great to see that humanity, sympathy, and empathy still abounds!

I'll struggle to understand the thinking, and lack of empathy, of any person who thinks it's a good idea to send the survivors, who are likely extremely traumatised, back to live at the scene of the trauma.

Although I think it's unlikely, if the people themselves suggested it and wanted it, that's different. But for anyone else to think it's the solution, given the additional pain that is likely to cause, is very difficult to comprehend.

end of the road · 13-10-2015 07:54PM

Cabaal wrote: »

While yes some halting sites can be like that, others are not at all like that and have been known to be a source of a large amount of trouble. Examples of this are in every county.

Other halting sites still while not being troubles spots have turned into what look like dumping grounds due to the level of scrap and other items kept around. Between trouble and litter/junk this puts many people off having them near by,

Yes its unfair to paint a whole community with the same brush but sadly people's interactions tend to be more negative then good with travelers, it might help if the like of Pavee Point spoke out and condemned travelers who did damage to the traveling community by breaking the law. They speak for travellers and they could do alot of good and repairing of lost faith in travellers if they did

i don't agree. its not pavee points job to tell the world how travelers condemn the breaking of the law just to reassure some. its very easy to figure out that some travelers condemn the breaking of the law. even if pavee point did do as you suggested chances are it wouldn't make a jot of difference

Technocentral · 13-10-2015 07:54PM

VinLieger wrote: »

So should everyone who suffers a tragedy on their property be immediately relocated at the expense of the taxpayer?

Not all taxpayers are selfish, inhuman low lives ffs. The main answer on this forum to any tragedy is the ****ing taxpayer has to pay, give it a rest.

the dark phantom · 13-10-2015 07:54PM

When I was a young kid I remember how people treated "Tinkers" like dirt, Just because they were "Tinkers" simple as..They caused f-all crime in the area, Never bothered anyone. Minded their own business. Tinkers didn't decide to become Knackers overnight, Irish ignorance and hatred to anyone outside of the norm helped to push them that way.

Willfarman · 13-10-2015 07:54PM

RayM wrote: »

Do you know the bereaved people in question?

No. And yes I am prejudice but not irrationally. I have had nothing but negative experience with travellers. But that's my fault because the vast majority are pillars of society I'm sure.

super_furry · 13-10-2015 07:55PM

VinLieger wrote: »

So should everyone who suffers a tragedy on their property be immediately relocated at the expense of the taxpayer?

Jesus wept. Ten people died - ten members of their family. Look around at the people you love and imagine ten of them dying in a fire at the same time. Would you be keen to go back to live in the place where they died?

The lack of compassion, sympathy and sheer naked hatred on display here is sickening. Sadly it's a reflection of the attitudes in our society too.

Technocentral · 13-10-2015 08:00PM

super_furry wrote: »

Jesus wept. Ten people died - ten members of their family. Look around at the people you love and imagine ten of them dying in a fire at the same time. Would you be keen to go back to live in the place where they died?

The lack of compassion, sympathy and sheer naked hatred on display here is sickening. Sadly it's a reflection of the attitudes in our society too.

This country is taking a big swing to the far right, shocking stuff, the days of having compassion for people whose lives are destroyed are fading, apparently the "irish taxpayer" doesn't care about peoples whose families were wiped out.

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 08:00PM

Technocentral wrote: »

This country is taking a big swing to the far right, shocking stuff, the days of having compassion for people whose lives are destroyed are fading, apparently the "irish taxpayer" doesn't care about peoples whose families were wiped out.

Of course not, the market value of one's house is more important, right?

end of the road · 13-10-2015 08:02PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They are only protecting their property

they aren't. they are being bigoted, commiting a criminal act by blocking access to a site, and being obstructive. the public order unit and the ERU should be sent in to deal with this. the ERU to disable whatever is blockading the site, and the public order unit to remove the people by full force

end of the road · 13-10-2015 08:05PM

discus wrote: »

Sure mary anne, why don't you find a suitable site near your house and produce your solution to the local authorities??

a suitable site was found, some criminals are blocking access to it and need to be removed by force

RayM · 13-10-2015 08:09PM

Willfarman wrote: »

No. And yes I am prejudice but not irrationally. I have had nothing but negative experience with travellers. But that's my fault because the vast majority are pillars of society I'm sure.

Everything I've heard about the travellers who lived on Glenamuck Road suggests that they're perfectly normal, decent people. I've driven past the site hundreds of times and it always looked really tidy and well-kept. You only have to look at it on Google Street View to see that.

end of the road · 13-10-2015 08:11PM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Because a high percentage of travellers will smash up your local pub, destroy the surrounding area with ****e, rob houses, cars and intimidate and scare people in their own area whilst not giving a **** to any law that's out there. Not them all but most of them are the same. It's not a generalization it's a fact. That's who they are. Shame really

The Blacks , Europeans & Gays don't seem to be doing all the above as much as the travellers.

its not a fact that its a majority or most. making up things doesn't make them fact. would be very easy to insure the pubs don't shut for business when travelers are in town by having an automatic revoking of licences for any pub that does, along with finding any licencee unfit to hold such licences again. clamp down hard upon them for depriving money to the economy and they will soon shut up whining and serve as they are supposed to do

Galwayguy35 · 13-10-2015 08:12PM

end of the road wrote: »

they aren't. they are being bigoted, commiting a criminal act by blocking access to a site, and being obstructive. the public order unit and the ERU should be sent in to deal with this. the ERU to disable whatever is blockading the site, and the public order unit to remove the people by full force

The ERU?

Seriously man talk about a ridiculous post.

Strumms · 13-10-2015 08:13PM

The very idea that this has happened or is happening is abhorrent in the extreme. I really hope the Gardai show little tolerance to the illegal blocking of the road by these lowlifes. To the poster who maintained they are protecting their property ? Bollocks pure and simple. Protecting from that threat of what ? It has been well established that these poor families were not trouble, established in the locality, well liked and integrated and contributed to the community life of the area. If they were well known gangsters or something there might be an excuse of sorts but this is pure hate and ignorance, simple. Is there an update to this standoff ?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 13-10-2015 08:14PM

end of the road wrote: »

they will soon shut up whining and serve as they are supposed to do

Nice fella, you are.

end of the road · 13-10-2015 08:14PM

Deep Six wrote: »

I fully support these residents and their right to oppose this site being placed in their area. The ones here slating them obviously have no experience living near this group. As tragic as the event on the weekend was, it won't negate the reputation travellers have and which they have fully inflicted on themselves. You reap what you sow.

excuses excuses. the residents are blocking access to a council site, making them potentially criminals. remove them, build the site, make it permenant. show the government don't negotiate with the likes of these residents

lazybones32 · 13-10-2015 08:15PM

super_furry wrote: »

Jesus wept. Ten people died - ten members of their family. Look around at the people you love and imagine ten of them dying in a fire at the same time. Would you be keen to go back to live in the place where they died?

The lack of compassion, sympathy and sheer naked hatred on display here is sickening. Sadly it's a reflection of the attitudes in our society too.

I'm weeping right now for how much your heart bleeds....I'm giving you a virtual hug. Maybe offer to open up your property for a temp. halting site?

The Backwards Man · 13-10-2015 08:15PM

end of the road wrote: »

a suitable site was found, some criminals are blocking access to it and need to be removed by force

Have you ever considered a career in diplomacy?:P

Reminds me of a place I was working in when 9/11 happened, few of us watching on telly when the boss came wondering how it was affecting the dollar.

VinLieger · 13-10-2015 08:15PM

end of the road wrote: »

excuses excuses. the residents are blocking access to a council site, making them potentially criminals. remove them, build the site, make it permenant. show the government don't negotiate with the likes of these residents

Sure why stop there? Lets forcibly take their houses and give them to the travelers, sure these people probably caused the fire in the first place

Technocentral · 13-10-2015 08:15PM

end of the road wrote: »

a suitable site was found, some criminals are blocking access to it and need to be removed by force

Imagine the values the people in that photo are imparting to their children/grand children? Pathetic excuses for human beings.

eviltwin · 13-10-2015 08:16PM

end of the road wrote: »

excuses excuses. the residents are blocking access to a council site, making them potentially criminals. remove them, build the site, make it permenant. show the government don't negotiate with the likes of these residents

How about travellers try taking responsibility for themselves for once? If this had happened to a settled family they would probably be in a bed and breakfast, not given land to live on free of charge.

Residents attempt to blockade temporarily housing of survivors of Glenamuck

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