Residents attempt to blockade temporarily housing of survivors of Glenamuck

super_furry · 13-10-2015 05:01PM #1

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/local-protesters-block-surviving-carrickmines-families-from-new-temporary-halting-site-31607191.html

I'm not trying to be over the top here, but I don't think I've ever been more ashamed to be Irish. Those ten people that died aren't even buried yet and already those who survived that tragedy are already being told that they're not welcome in a temporary site because it's too close to 'normal' people.

I had thought that this disaster would be the final tipping point for this country to re-assess just how we treat travellers, but obviously not.

Gatling · 13-10-2015 05:05PM

Pathetic excuses for humans

whiskeyman · 13-10-2015 05:06PM

Would you accommodate them, or others from the travelling community, on your road?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 13-10-2015 05:07PM

Classic case of NIMBY.

(Not in my back yard)

I'll probably get slated for this, but I'll honestly state that whilst I do have sympathy for the families who lost loved ones in the fire, I'd be horrified at the idea of a halting site being sprung up beside my house, regardless of the circumstances which led to it being placed there.

Rubberchikken · 13-10-2015 05:07PM

hypocrisy is this country's middle name.
a couple of days ago people were weeping enough tears to put out a fire, now they behave like this. good thing nothing surprises me any more.

Gatling · 13-10-2015 05:10PM

Funny how people were proud so say they will take in illegal economic migrants but yet people won't allow a family to live somewhere temporarily while they grieve for 10 family members ,

We're a nation of hypocrites

super_furry · 13-10-2015 05:12PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

Would you accommodate them, or others from the travelling community, on your road?

Yes. There's already a halting site about 400m from where I live and there's never a peep from them aside from when a few kids knock on the door come halloween time and they're always polite.

My name is URL · 13-10-2015 05:12PM

Hopefully the cunts faces are shown on the news later so everyone else can treat them with the contempt they're treating others.

JP Liz V1 · 13-10-2015 05:13PM

It is temporary, haven't the poor families lost enough

Streetwalker · 13-10-2015 05:14PM

When travellers start treating society with respect they'll get respect back.

Cabaal · 13-10-2015 05:18PM

super_furry wrote: »

Yes. There's already a halting site about 400m from where I live and there's never a peep from them aside from when a few kids knock on the door come halloween time and they're always polite.

While yes some halting sites can be like that, others are not at all like that and have been known to be a source of a large amount of trouble. Examples of this are in every county.

Other halting sites still while not being troubles spots have turned into what look like dumping grounds due to the level of scrap and other items kept around. Between trouble and litter/junk this puts many people off having them near by,

Yes its unfair to paint a whole community with the same brush but sadly people's interactions tend to be more negative then good with travelers, it might help if the like of Pavee Point spoke out and condemned travelers who did damage to the traveling community by breaking the law. They speak for travellers and they could do alot of good and repairing of lost faith in travellers if they did

My name is URL · 13-10-2015 05:19PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

When travellers start treating society with respect they'll get respect back.

Any evidence to suggest that the people in question didn't treat society with respect? According to those who lived near them in the other halting site they were all very polite, friendly and active members of the wider community.

Most of the kids were involved in the local GAA and rugby clubs.

So come on, post the evidence you have which shows that they were disrespectful to anyone.

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:19PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

When travellers start treating society with respect they'll get respect back.

Have you met / do you know the people from this halting site who would be moving into this temporary accommodation?

Do you know these 15 people personally? Are you personally fit to comment on how much respect or otherwise these 15 people have shown to society?

These are 15 individual human beings. And you clearly seem to be forming opinions on these individual human beings based on your opinion on travellers at large. These 15 human beings have not, I presume, done anything to you - if you don't know them, you're really not in a position to comment on whether these individuals have shown respect to people, or deserve it back.

Never mind the unimaginable pain they must be in right now. They have my respect for that alone, and always will, and I'm sorry that you are so judgemental towards 15 people I presume you've not even met.

Red Kev · 13-10-2015 05:21PM

Gatling wrote: »

Funny how people were proud so say they will take in illegal economic migrants but yet people won't allow a family to live somewhere temporarily while they grieve for 10 family members ,

We're a nation of hypocrites

It's not necessarily the same people.

The residents are probably worried that the site will become permanent after the new one is built as well as making the houses more difficult thing sell in the future.

Not backing them up, just trying to see it from their point of view. If I was a resident I'd be looking to know what happens once the new site is built.

AlanG · 13-10-2015 05:23PM

This is a very sad situation. It would be good to know if this land has gone through zoning or planning for this sort of development. The chances of this site being temporary are pretty close to zero. The council has lots of parks where they could put actual temporary accommodation that would be less contentious. If the work does take 8 months they would have the parks back in time to rent them out to concert promoters next summer.

fiachr_a · 13-10-2015 05:27PM

What about all the people who offered to house the refugees last month? Surely they'll take these travellers in?

darkpagandeath · 13-10-2015 05:28PM

fiachr_a wrote: »

What about all the people who offered to house the refugees last month? Surely they'll take these travellers in?

Bob has plenty of room I hear.

Cienciano · 13-10-2015 05:31PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Any evidence to suggest that the people in question didn't treat society with respect? According to those who lived near them in the other halting site they were all very polite, friendly and active members of the wider community.

Most of the kids were involved in the local GAA and rugby clubs.

So come on, post the evidence you have which shows that they were disrespectful to anyone.

whatismyname wrote: »

Have you met / do you know the people from this halting site who would be moving into this temporary accommodation?

Do you know these 15 people personally? Are you personally fit to comment on how much respect or otherwise these 15 people have shown to society?

These are 15 individual human beings. And you clearly seem to be forming opinions on these individual human beings based on your opinion on travellers at large. These 15 human beings have not, I presume, done anything to you - if you don't know them, you're really not in a position to comment on whether these individuals have shown respect to people, or deserve it back.

Never mind the unimaginable pain they must be in right now. They have my respect for that alone, and always will, and I'm sorry that you are so judgemental towards 15 people I presume you've not even met.

Out of curiosity, if you lived next to a green field or a vacant lot and you found out a halting site was being built right next door to your house, would you be at all bothered?

My name is URL · 13-10-2015 05:36PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Out of curiosity, if you lived next to a green field or a vacant lot and you found out a halting site was being built right next door to your house, would you be at all bothered?

Not in these circumstances, or for these particular people.

If some out of the blue decision was made to build a permanent halting site for unspecified travelers then yes, I'd have some issue with it.

To object to it in these circumstances, when the people have already being living in your area for years and knowing the tragedy and loss they have just suffered, is nothing short of scummy. I hope they're publicly shamed into changing their minds.

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:37PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Out of curiosity, if you lived next to a green field or a vacant lot and you found out a halting site was being built right next door to your house, would you be at all bothered?

If you're talking about a halting site to accommodate 15 people who have just lost 10 members of their family, then hand on heart, I 100% wouldn't.

If I did find that there was a part of me that was 'bothered' for any reasons, I know myself well enough to know that my humanity towards these people would far override any reasons which I was bothered.

Their needs are much greater than mine in that scenario, and unless I'd met the grieving families (a number of whom are likely to be children) I wouldn't be making pre-judgments on them. I wouldn't be making assumptions on people who I'd not met, based on things done / a reputation gained by other people

But if I had a green field or vacant lot beside me right now, and the council was looking to accommodate them there, it wouldn't occur to be to do anything but welcome them, and when they move in to offer my condolences to them. I would certainly not be looking to do anything to add to the pain of the grieving families, certainly by not putting my own selfish interests first, and I am 100% certain that it wouldn't even occur to me to do so.

mikeym · 13-10-2015 05:38PM

Just put them in temporary housing.

Then the council can sort out the halting site that was burned down.

Everyones happy.

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:39PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Not in these circumstances, or for these particular people.

Agreed. That is what is at the heart of it.

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:41PM

I wonder where they will live in the long term.

Can't speak for the bereaved, but it it was me, I'd imagine it'd be completely traumatising to go back and live in the same halting site where ten people who were part of my extended family died, especially so horrificly.

fiachr_a · 13-10-2015 05:41PM

Frances Fitzgerald's refugees coming here will be better taken care of than those surviving travellers. Makes me ashamed to be Irish.

TheNobleKipper · 13-10-2015 05:46PM

I reckon the biggest problem the residents have is not with having travellers in close proximity as a temporary solution, but that they don't trust that this will be a short term thing.

I bet most people here would not be happy with living next to a halting site, me included. Yes, those people have gone through something terrible and it seems very unfair to be objecting to them being housed, but maybe the council or whatever should just assure the residents that the camp will indeed be removed within x amount of time.

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-10-2015 05:49PM

They are only protecting their property

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:50PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They are only protecting their property

Not 'only'.....

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:50PM

TheNobleKipper wrote: »

but maybe the council or whatever should just assure the residents that the camp will indeed be removed within x amount of time.

I agree. I'm not sure if it would change anything for some of the protesters, but it is an important factor.

Not that I really trust anything in the Indo, but article says

The letter from the council states that the accommodation is only on a temporary basis, until the construction and refurbishment of a permanent site is completed, which is due to take eight months.

My name is URL · 13-10-2015 05:55PM

There's a picture of the actual letter in the article itself which you can zoom in on and read. It clearly states that it's a temporary measuer and outlines what will be done

4 mobile homes and two service structures with shower facilities... it doesn't sound at all extreme

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:57PM

My name is URL wrote: »

There's a picture of the actual letter in the article itself which you can zoom in on and read. It clearly states that it's a temporary measuer and outlines what will be done

4 mobile homes and two service structures with shower facilities... it doesn't sound at all extreme

Cheers. Don't know how, but I'd completely missed the copy of the letter. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

S.O · 13-10-2015 06:13PM

I was only in a pub the other evening for a coffee, all the tables had reserved notices on them which it normally doesn,t have, reason why I was told there was a traveller funeral in town that day and the pub didn,t want any trouble, I was out cycling that same night there were 3 pubs closed in one area, and this with the locals in Glenamuck, the question has to be phased and asked in the context of why do most pubs have no problem serving other minorities gays/black people/ Asian people, Eastern European people, but would rather close up and lose business when there is a traveller funeral locally ? same likewise with neighbours why do most people have no problem with other minorities gays/black people/ Asian people, Eastern European people living in the same estate/same area but wouldn,t want to have any travellers living near them ?

Residents attempt to blockade temporarily housing of survivors of Glenamuck

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