Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Jesus Wept · 12-10-2015 11:23AM

wot is going on with the site anyhow?

Mr.H · 12-10-2015 11:28AM

Id love to know where this myth that Can is a midfielder comes from

I would like him to be a midfielder but he has rarely played a good game in midfield. Any of his best performances have been from the back. Apart from Emre and a couple of pundits wanting him to play midfield I have yet to see any real indication that he deserves to play midfield. At the moment he is an average full back who can play midfield or center back.

Dont get me wrong he is good on the ball and can make impressive runs but so can Clyne and Moreno and they are no center mids I tell ya

K-9 · 12-10-2015 11:41AM

Grayditch wrote: »

Decided to have a look at a load of Firminho videos last night. Watched a load of Hoffenhiem stuff, then all his performances for us. I think his main problem is the higher quality and speed of pressing in the premier league. At Hoffenhiem he had seemed to have good awareness of where his own players where so he could fix his mistakes whenever he was in trouble trying to beat players. And that happens quite a bit to him for Liverpool. He doesn't have as much time to get the ball, retain it while picking out a good pass. His best moments in Germany were in fast counterattacks, it seems.

It should also be mentioned that he's a pretty good shot and his body language in Germany showed him to be a lot more confident than we've seen. In short, I think if Klopp is gonna play those speedy counters, and if Firminho adapts to the pressing and gets more awareness in a tighter system, he'll be juuuuuust fiiiine.

An element of adjustment needed, pity about the injury too. Still Klopp will know a lot about him already so that will be a huge advantage, whereas with Rodgers he seemed to be fitted into a system.

From the bits I've seen he should fit in, presses high, loads of energy and an exceptional tackle count for an attacking player.
http://basstunedtored.com/2015/06/29/roberto-firmino-201415-stats-review/

More tackles than any forward or attacking midfield player in any of the top 5 European leagues and what's really relevant to Klopp, tends to tackle high up and good ball recovery stats too.

I suppose a lot depends on formations, can we get the best out of him and Coutinho in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3. Maybe a diamond formation.

FlipperThePriest · 12-10-2015 11:45AM

Mr.H wrote: »

Id love to know where this myth that Can is a midfielder comes from

I've seen him make elementary mistakes at the back on more than one occasion that have caused us to concede. Fair enough every defense makes mistakes but things like getting sucked out of position would lead me to believe it's not his natural position.

Jesus Wept · 12-10-2015 11:49AM

leak and potato soup
toasted ham and cheese sambo

Mr.H · 12-10-2015 11:54AM

zippy84 wrote: »

I've seen him make elementary mistakes at the back on more than one occasion that have caused us to concede. Fair enough every defense makes mistakes but things like getting sucked out of position would lead me to believe it's not his natural position.

Thats fair but why would we put in center mid just because he was weak at the back a few times? I mean we wouldnt put Lovren center mid.

Every single manager that has ever managed Emre has put him in their defence. National and club level. He reminds me of Martin Kelly. Martin Kelly always wanted to be a center back but anytime he played there he was average. So ever manager put him at right back where he played his best stuff.

While your correct about him making mistakes at the back, he also made mistakes playing center mid. In fact when he was playing his best stuff for us it was from the back.

Now I also think Can could be a good defensive mid for us in the future (albeit that is more hope than belief), but he has not proven it yet and all this talk on here that it is his natural position is based on zero evidence. Its pure opinion that that has become sudo-fact.

whatawaster · 12-10-2015 11:57AM

Je suis Mario wrote: »

leak and potato soup
toasted ham and cheese sambo

That's not a breakfast

martyos121 · 12-10-2015 11:59AM

Je suis Mario wrote: »

leak and potato soup
toasted ham and cheese sambo

There will be no talk of lunch in this thread, it's a breakfast only zone.

If that was actually your breakfast, we have a far bigger problem...

FlipperThePriest · 12-10-2015 12:03PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Now I also think Can could be a good defensive mid for us in the future (albeit that is more hope than belief), but he has not proven it yet and all this talk on here that it is his natural position is based on zero evidence. Its pure opinion that that has become sudo-fact.

Definitely don't think he was purchased to play in defense. I think we will see him in defensive midfield as the team progresses. I don't know what his natural position is, I just don't think it's as a defender. He tends to follow the ball and break down play as well as going on runs.

Turtyturd · 12-10-2015 12:09PM

You only have to look at the last 15-20 minutes against Sion to realise Can is a midfielder. Looked a different player once he was moved out of the back.

RayCon · 12-10-2015 12:13PM

Je suis Mario wrote: »

leak and potato soup
toasted ham and cheese sambo

I support the move to Lunch discussions ....

Breakfasts were Rodgers era.

I had a Tuna and Sweetcorn Sandwich and a bottle of water.

Potential Underachiever · 12-10-2015 12:25PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

You only have to look at the last 15-20 minutes against Sion to realise Can is a midfielder. Looked a different player once he was moved out of the back.

Well 15-20mins against weak opposition is a bit small of a sample size. It's unclear to me what Can's best position is at this stage, he looks like a good footballer and athlete but I'm not sure if he should be defensive, box to box on the bench or what, he's a hard player to gauge, Klopp will know what to do hopefully.

Dickerty · 12-10-2015 12:30PM

RayCon wrote: »

I support the move to Lunch discussions ....

Breakfasts were Rodgers era.

I second that.

Had some granola as couldn't leave my desk and was hungry, but might get a panini later - peppers, tuna and cheese I'm thinking...

Lex Luthor · 12-10-2015 12:32PM

murpho999 wrote: »

He's taking his first training session today, would love to be a fly on the wall for that. How many players are away on international duty?

As soon as I get word, I'll post up here as to how his training sessions are compared to Rogers...

We're friends of the parents of a player there that has recently been promoted to training with first team squad

Kimbot · 12-10-2015 12:33PM

RayCon wrote: »

I support the move to Lunch discussions ....

Breakfasts were Rodgers era.

I had a Tuna and Sweetcorn Sandwich and a bottle of water.

Epic call on the Tuna and Sweetcorn sambo, it went down a treat

martyos121 · 12-10-2015 12:34PM

That's two lunch posts reported now, who else is looking for a lengthy ban? I'm sure the mods will oblige.

D'Agger · 12-10-2015 12:38PM

martyos121 wrote: »

That's two lunch posts reported now, who else is looking for a lengthy ban? I'm sure the mods will oblige.

Is it yourself reporting them marty?

Knex* · 12-10-2015 12:40PM

martyos121 wrote: »

That's two lunch posts reported now, who else is looking for a lengthy ban? I'm sure the mods will oblige.

Technically, all the posts around this time are lunch posts.

Francie Barrett · 12-10-2015 12:41PM

Really looking forward to the Spurs game now. I feel that if this team was to ever get a reaction, then a team like Spurs might be the best to see it tested. They are a decent team, but I think if we were to get going, then we would overwhelm them.

martyos121 · 12-10-2015 12:42PM

D'Agger wrote: »

Is it yourself reporting them marty?

Of course, someone has to clean this place up, this is the place for discussing breakfast and sometimes Liverpool, not feckin lunch.

I didn't actually report anyone

brevity · 12-10-2015 12:42PM

Snitches end up in ditches.

Kerrigooney · 12-10-2015 12:43PM

martyos121 wrote: »

That's two lunch posts reported now, who else is looking for a lengthy ban? I'm sure the mods will oblige.

I'd prefer a lengthy baguette,if you're offering...not keen on tuna tho so keep that In mind. Thanks.

Harry Palmr · 12-10-2015 12:44PM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

I'd prefer a lengthy baguette,if you're offering...not keen on tuna tho so keep that I'm mind. Thanks.

Said the French actress to the Bishop.

Turtyturd · 12-10-2015 12:48PM

martyos121 wrote: »

That's two lunch posts reported now, who else is looking for a lengthy ban? I'm sure the mods will oblige.

Rookie mistake, always good to have those posts in the back pocket, then if you catch a ban you can try and take everyone down with you.

Kimbot · 12-10-2015 12:52PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Rookie mistake, always good to have those posts in the back pocket, then if you catch a ban you can try and take everyone down with you.

Noobs will eventually learn

martyos121 · 12-10-2015 12:59PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Rookie mistake, always good to have those posts in the back pocket, then if you catch a ban you can try and take everyone down with you.

Ah the grenade strategy, I may or may not have used this before.

I'm going to start a lunch notebook. People will think it's recipes, they will be dead wrong.

monkey9 · 12-10-2015 01:00PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Rookie mistake, always good to have those posts in the back pocket, then if you catch a ban you can try and take everyone down with you.

Pilsbury Doughboy was right about you.

Kimbot · 12-10-2015 01:00PM

martyos121 wrote: »

Ah the grenade strategy, I may or may not have used this before.

I'm going to start a lunch notebook. People will think it's recipes, they will be dead wrong.

Its a suggestions book for my lunch tomorrow isnt it? :P

Knex* · 12-10-2015 01:03PM

I spent the weekend with a bunch of lads from college, whereby I put the words, "Jurgen Klopp", into pretty much every song I could. This also spread into everyday vernacular, such as "Ah lads, any club but Kloppers". Or when they started singing their own songs, telling them they've breached Kloppywrite.

Some Classics:

Build me up, Jurgen Klopp Baby
If You're Happy And You Know it, Klopp Your Hands.
All We Need is Klopp
Jurgen Is The Gaffer
Klopp, Klopp, Klopp.

It was a good weekend.

D'Agger · 12-10-2015 01:05PM

martyos121 wrote: »

Of course

That's all I needed....scumbag :pac:

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