Is Ireland a "home nation"?

Very Bored · 11-10-2015 03:10PM

@DirtyDingusMcGee, That's our gombeen government acting the b****x as usual. You can't suddenly decide where you sit geographically in the world. That's like the Japanese government deciding that its not in Asia anymore because it doesn't want to be lumped in with China and that from now on its to be considered a North American country.

Eugene Norman · 11-10-2015 03:13PM

davycc wrote: »

I have associated it more myself with the home nations which was also a famously forgotten soccer tournament held last century with annually involving England Scotland Wales Ireland and northern Ireland

Well, I mentioned that too in my posts. But the FAI wasn't part of that so its not used for the Irish team in soccer.

Very Bored · 11-10-2015 03:16PM

@DirtyDingusMcGee, That's our gombeen government acting the b****x as usual. You can't suddenly decide where you sit geographically in the world. That's like the Japanese government deciding that its not in Asia anymore because it doesn't want to be lumped in with China and that from now on its to be considered a North American country.

Very Bored · 11-10-2015 03:18PM

Don't know why that posted twice.

Earthhorse · 11-10-2015 03:23PM

Home nation? More like homeless nation.

Am I right, guys?

*folds arms*

11-10-2015 03:24PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Yeah, we are. It's a geographical term not a political one, so it doesn't matter a ****e whether our government recognised it or not.

Very Bored wrote: »

@DirtyDingusMcGee, That's our gombeen government acting the b****x as usual. You can't suddenly decide where you sit geographically in the world. That's like the Japanese government deciding that its not in Asia anymore because it doesn't want to be lumped in with China and that from now on its to be considered a North American country.

Folens don't use it either, so it does matter. If no one uses a term it falls out of use, no one says East Indies nowadays

Dirty Dingus McGee · 11-10-2015 03:27PM

Very Bored wrote: »

@DirtyDingusMcGee, That's our gombeen government acting the b****x as usual. You can't suddenly decide where you sit geographically in the world. That's like the Japanese government deciding that its not in Asia anymore because it doesn't want to be lumped in with China and that from now on its to be considered a North American country.

Grand then.From now on the islands should be referred to as The Irish Isles seeing as it's a geographic term with apparently no political connotations I am sure nobody in the UK will have the slightest problem with that and will agree that the geographic term will be changed.

Of course we all know that wouldn't happen .And regardless of what people say it is a politcially infused term as if Ireland was the more powerful of the 2 islands in the past the Islands would certainly not be ever referred to as the British Isles.

Very Bored · 11-10-2015 03:50PM

@DirtyDingusMcGee, explain me the name the Irish Sea then.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 11-10-2015 03:59PM

Very Bored wrote: »

@DirtyDingusMcGee, explain me the name the Irish Sea then.

Doesn't bother me if they change the name of it.

There was a suggestion that the British Channel;s name be changed in order to be more politically neutral I wouldn't have a problem with the Irish sea name being changed for similar reasons.

entropi · 11-10-2015 04:13PM

bpmurray wrote: »

The term "Home Nations" refers to the UK countries, i.e. England, Scotland, Wales and NI. However, as Wikipedia explains:

In other words, it's terminology and not a political land-grab so nothing to get your knickers in a twist over!

G'way with your common sense. This is AH, people need to moan about something or other :pac:

Very Bored · 11-10-2015 04:28PM

@DirtyDingusMcGee, Yes but the name of the water between Ireland and the UK defeats your argument that this group of islands were named because of a political power struggle. If that were the case, it would be the British, not Irish, sea also. Additionally, there is no such place as the British Channel.

walshyn93 · 11-10-2015 04:29PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Folens don't use it either, so it does matter. If no one uses a term it falls out of use, no one says East Indies nowadays

There's a difference between a word falling out of fashion and getting agro over it like the poster I was responding to. Folens aren't exactly the stewards of the English language.

LordSutch · 11-10-2015 05:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is Ireland a "home nation?

Yes.

Yes, if you are English, Scottish, or Welsh.
No, if you were brought up in the ROI within the last thirty years.

Yes, because we are part of this little " home group" of islands.
Yes, because the NI players are from the UK.
Yes, because culturally we in these islands are closer together than, "foreign teams".

NO, because England, Scotland, & Wales have nothing to do with us, so why would anybody call us a " home nation" thereby associating us with teams in the other parts of these islands!

Yes, if you're in an English pub today, and everybody, I mean everybody is cheering for Ireland (the only home nation playing today).

Your Face · 11-10-2015 05:36PM

They wish.

Iwasfrozen · 11-10-2015 05:39PM

Yes. Ireland is one of four home nations.

11-10-2015 05:53PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Yes, if you're in an English pub today, and everybody, I mean everybody is cheering for Ireland (the only home nation playing today).]

The English cheering on a country playing against France?

Hardly unusual.

Duckworth_Luas · 11-10-2015 05:58PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yes. Ireland is one of four home nations.

Neither Iwasfrozen or LordSutch recognise the existence of Northern Ireland?

Very disappointing chaps! :pac:

LordSutch · 11-10-2015 06:28PM

Northern Ireland isn't a home nation in the literal sense of "A Nation".
However, Northern Ireland is a region within the UK.

risteard7 · 11-10-2015 06:38PM

Going off topic. That tv3 comentator drives me mad, had to switch to itv.

Notavirus.exe · 11-10-2015 06:42PM

Not sure if this question has been answered yet but yes, Ireland is a "home nation". When the English footballer guy takes the Lucozade stuff from the guys you can see a man wearing the Ireland "uniform" (I don't know what you rugby fanatics call it).

indioblack · 11-10-2015 06:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The English cheering on a country playing against France?

Hardly unusual.

Nevertheless, well played, Ireland.

Notavirus.exe · 11-10-2015 06:47PM

Here's a link to the ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpSqEKpTLUI

One of the 3 or 4 guys is wearing green.

justchecked · 11-10-2015 06:47PM

If they stuck it on terestrial ROI media then someone from their marketing dept needs to be replaced.

Fratton Fred · 11-10-2015 06:51PM

Seeing as we're close enough to send a combined team down south every few years, it's perfectly relevant.

11-10-2015 06:51PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Here's a link to the ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpSqEKpTLUI

One of the 3 or 4 guys is wearing green.

Apparently it's a player from Limerick named Murray.

davycc · 11-10-2015 06:52PM

justchecked wrote: »

If they stuck it on terestrial ROI media then someone from their marketing dept needs to be replaced.

I have only noticed it on tv3 myself

LordSutch · 11-10-2015 10:07PM

justchecked wrote: »

If they stuck it on terestrial ROI media then someone from their marketing dept needs to be replaced.

Why? just because you don't like the term ?

justchecked · 11-10-2015 10:39PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Why? just because you don't like the term ?

no, because a large part of their Irish market wont like it.

the 'all pr is good' thing doesn't work well with politics.

wil · 11-10-2015 10:42PM

So what's the consensus?

Is Ireland an away nation, a united nation or a nation once again?

Agricola · 12-10-2015 12:24AM

For a second there I thought ah shure its grand, they call it that cos of the single rugby association on this island and because Britain and Ireland have a lot more in common with each other than we do with the French, or the Italians or even the Tongans.

Then I'm thinking, hey we only have a lot more in common with them because they invaded us hundreds of years ago, tried to eradicate our culture and language and almost succeeded in making us lapdogs like the Welsh and the Scots.
So yeah, home nations me big sweaty Irish arse indeed.

Is Ireland a "home nation"?

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