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RightTurnClyde · 11-10-2015 12:38PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Im very skeptical of new gadgets for farming

I'm not, love the gadgets me. But that yoke is rubbish. Back to the mains Heniger for me, would love to get a GOOD battery clippers

stanflt · 11-10-2015 12:43PM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

I'm not, love the gadgets me. But that yoke is rubbish. Back to the mains Heniger for me, would love to get a GOOD battery clippers

I had to buy a heniger this year after my old clippers broke- very disappointed with it compared to my old machine which I don't even know the make of

RightTurnClyde · 11-10-2015 12:50PM

stanflt wrote: »

I had to buy a heniger this year after my old clippers broke- very disappointed with it compared to my old machine which I don't even know the make of

The Heinger is nearly 10 yrs old. It works away fine. Two issues I have with it are, it's quite heavy and I do the cows in the pit, and the pit is low. So the arm would be hanging off you after doing the whole herd and milking aswell. The other is I'm not mad about having mains power down in the pit.
Other than that it hasn't given any trouble and is fast at its job.
What kind of problems have you had with it Stan

stanflt · 11-10-2015 12:52PM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

The Heinger is nearly 10 yrs old. It works away fine. Two issues I have with it are, it's quite heavy and I do the cows in the pit, and the pit is low. So the arm would be hanging off you after doing the whole herd and milking aswell. The other is I'm not mad about having mains power down in the pit.
Other than that it hasn't given any trouble and is fast at its job.
What kind of problems have you had with it Stan

It gets blocked very easily and opening the bolts is a pain in the hole

Greengrass1 · 11-10-2015 12:52PM

stanflt wrote: »

Dry matter intakes

Remember grass is running at 11% now compared to 18 in the summer

That means a cow has to eat 145kg of fresh grass compared to 88kg in the summer to get the same stomach full

Not gonna happen Eddie

I thought dm was down too but last 3 paddocks cows have got 3 days in it but was measured and only supposed to last 2 days.

Dawggone · 11-10-2015 12:52PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

How do you find the lims? Do they have a longer gestation?

Lims no bother so far bar the monster last night. Just weighed now for auto feeder computer - 61kg.
We've no idea whose the sire of the calves but one bull is throwing them big, now to figure out which bull and send him for the hook.
So far lim heifer calves going 9 to 11 days over and bulls 18 to 21 days over. Not ideal.
I would have Angus or Hereford Bulls but you couldn't give away the calves.

Greengrass1 · 11-10-2015 12:53PM

stanflt wrote: »

I had to buy a heniger this year after my old clippers broke- very disappointed with it compared to my old machine which I don't even know the make of

Where'd you buy? How much?

Dawggone · 11-10-2015 12:58PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

http://www.connachtagri.ie/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_naru.tpl&product_id=271&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=6

Are these any good? Agridirect selling for 369e

I have one. Will do approx 100cows/hr but needs to be done more regularly. No good for tails with dreadlocks of Shyte on them.
I couldn't recommend it. Way too expensive and has to be sent away to sharpen.

stanflt · 11-10-2015 01:03PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I thought dm was down too but last 3 paddocks cows have got 3 days in it but was measured and only supposed to last 2 days.

There may be 3 days grazing but only 2 days feeding- big difference between the two
When dry matter is low the cow can't physically eat enough

Be careful with those fresh cows

C0N0R · 11-10-2015 01:28PM

BF 4% PR 3.64 doing 22 litres. 25% fresh calvers in there. A lot to do on solids then!

Question, I have this argument with the auld lad, when looking at the progressive catalogue to pick Bulls I feel we should be looking at solids percentage where as he feels we should be looking at total kilos of solids, surely solids percentage is the more important to get away from white water?

Also how many kilos of milk in ebi terms is 6500 litres? Ie plus 200 or what.

C0N0R · 11-10-2015 01:30PM

Dawggone wrote: »

I have one. Will do approx 100cows/hr but needs to be done more regularly. No good for tails with dreadlocks of Shyte on them.
I couldn't recommend it. Way too expensive and has to be sent away to sharpen.

Where I'm on placement they have one and reckon it's no use. Ok if you trim them regularly but not fit for dirty knotty hairy tails.

Milked out · 11-10-2015 01:41PM

C0N0R wrote: »

BF 4% PR 3.64 doing 22 litres. 25% fresh calvers in there. A lot to do on solids then!

Question, I have this argument with the auld lad, when looking at the progressive catalogue to pick Bulls I feel we should be looking at solids percentage where as he feels we should be looking at total kilos of solids, surely solids percentage is the more important to get away from white water?

Also how many kilos of milk in ebi terms is 6500 litres? Ie plus 200 or what.

I'd agree with you and pick based on solids percentage. The high total kg bulls with low percentage difference tend to be high volume bulls, so unlikely to increase solids percentage just volume, these could be used on low yielders.
Go in general for bulls with milk kg at +180kg here, unless other figures are exceptional. Think that should do for 6500. Then match up cows to bulls tgat will improve what needs to be improved be it fert, solids or volume

stanflt · 11-10-2015 01:41PM

C0N0R wrote: »

BF 4% PR 3.64 doing 22 litres. 25% fresh calvers in there. A lot to do on solids then!

Question, I have this argument with the auld lad, when looking at the progressive catalogue to pick Bulls I feel we should be looking at solids percentage where as he feels we should be looking at total kilos of solids, surely solids percentage is the more important to get away from white water?

Also how many kilos of milk in ebi terms is 6500 litres? Ie plus 200 or what.

0kg of milk on ebi will deliver 7400 litres going in historic data compiled by joe Patton on my herd

% is the only way to increase output effeciently

yosemitesam1 · 11-10-2015 01:42PM

stanflt wrote: »

There may be 3 days grazing but only 2 days feeding- big difference between the two
When dry matter is low the cow can't physically eat enough

Be careful with those fresh cows

Does anyone test their dry matter in oven/microwave?

whelan2 · 11-10-2015 01:43PM

Normally go for bulls with over 30 kgs of solids here

frazzledhome · 11-10-2015 02:03PM

Fears of post quota exodus from winter milk production
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/fears-of-post-quota-exodus-from-winter-milk-production/

Very interesting. Is Joe saying that only the guys stuck needing "Cashflow" will stay in winter milk?

stanflt · 11-10-2015 02:23PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Fears of post quota exodus from winter milk production
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/fears-of-post-quota-exodus-from-winter-milk-production/

Very interesting. Is Joe saying that only the guys stuck needing "Cashflow" will stay in winter milk?

I'd say that any one with a control on calving pattern will shift away- I've 20k worth of bonus but I've only 8 fresh calvers and its way too many already- over suplying about 800 litres per day at the moment with no winter feeding and none in sight

With 1.5million litres due to be sold within 2 years that will mean a 1.3 cpl bonus for staying in winter milk

No thanks I think within 2 year I'll only calve carryover cows in the autumn

Brown Podzol · 11-10-2015 02:37PM

stanflt wrote: »

I had to buy a heniger this year after my old clippers broke- very disappointed with it compared to my old machine which I don't even know the make of

I get a lad sometimes to do them, I think he uses a sheep comb and cutter. Can fly through any sort of sh1t. Have a look here.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=17fW4IXHLac

Dawggone · 11-10-2015 02:44PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Fears of post quota exodus from winter milk production
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/fears-of-post-quota-exodus-from-winter-milk-production/

Very interesting. Is Joe saying that only the guys stuck needing "Cashflow" will stay in winter milk?

What about levelling out the supply curve to the processors?
A glut of milk for 3 or 4 months is not very efficient from a processor's PoV.

Timmaay · 11-10-2015 02:50PM

stanflt wrote: »

I'd say that any one with a control on calving pattern will shift away- I've 20k worth of bonus but I've only 8 fresh calvers and its way too many already- over suplying about 800 litres per day at the moment with no winter feeding and none in sight

With 1.5million litres due to be sold within 2 years that will mean a 1.3 cpl bonus for staying in winter milk

No thanks I think within 2 year I'll only calve carryover cows in the autumn

Largely the same here, Autumn calving kept to only to carry overs, and still always well over the bonus with late spring still in the mix. As that Article says, it would want to be a serious bonus to make me stay in winter milk, just from a lifestyle point of view.

Dawggone · 11-10-2015 02:56PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Largely the same here, Autumn calving kept to only to carry overs, and still always well over the bonus with late spring still in the mix. As that Article says, it would want to be a serious bonus to make me stay in winter milk, just from a lifestyle point of view.

Lazy bunch of buckos!

:)

Off now to milk. Since we split the herd I feel like a waster...finished in no time.

I hope we stuff it to Les Blues, I'll be rubbing their noses in it!!

frazzledhome · 11-10-2015 03:04PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Lazy bunch of buckos! :)

Off now to milk. Since we split the herd I feel like a waster...finished in no time.

I hope we stuff it to Les Blues, I'll be rubbing their noses in it!!

Waiting on cows here son 10 gone to collect and sort next paddock. Be done and dusted in under 80 mins. Come on Ireland

Dawggone · 11-10-2015 03:08PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Waiting on cows here son 10 gone to collect and sort next paddock. Be done and dusted in under 80 mins. Come on Ireland

Oh yeaaaa!!!

What I wouldn't give!

frazzledhome · 11-10-2015 03:18PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Oh yeaaaa!!!

What I wouldn't give!

Have tickets for q final Sat & Sun hope to have to off load of swap Sat tickets

Milked out · 11-10-2015 03:20PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Fears of post quota exodus from winter milk production
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/fears-of-post-quota-exodus-from-winter-milk-production/

Very interesting. Is Joe saying that only the guys stuck needing "Cashflow" will stay in winter milk?

Possibly those that have Increased production on the back of winter milk may stay in. I assume some cases exiting winter milk may mean a drop In production, whether it will be a drop Inn profit or not would be another story

stanflt · 11-10-2015 03:40PM

Milked out wrote: »

Possibly those that have Increased production on the back of winter milk may stay in. I assume some cases exiting winter milk may mean a drop In production, whether it will be a drop Inn profit or not would be another story

I don't think I'll drop in production by not calving in the autumn

Timmaay · 11-10-2015 03:59PM

stanflt wrote: »

I don't think I'll drop in production by not calving in the autumn

I assume milked out meant by drying off Dec 1st instead of say 7weeks before calving. Surely even you'd leave litres behind then ha?

Milked out · 11-10-2015 04:07PM

stanflt wrote: »

I don't think I'll drop in production by not calving in the autumn

Not talking about individual yields, but if lads are on wet ground winter milk allows to produce milk that may not be able to be done off late ground due to difficulties grazing spring and autumn without buying in or buffering heavy in spring and autumn, and if one heads the way of feeding heavy late and early in the year may as well do it in the winter with a bonus as costs of production will end up being similar.

Milked out · 11-10-2015 04:09PM

Timmaay wrote: »

I assume milked out meant by drying off Dec 1st instead of say 7weeks before calving. Surely even you'd leave litres behind then ha?

That's another point milking all year round makes it easier to milk all cows for full lactation as opposed to drying off the last batch of cows a month or whatever early

trixi2011 · 11-10-2015 04:35PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Does anyone test their dry matter in oven/microwave?

Test it every week before doing the grass walk with microwave. Our dm are up between 15 to 16 last week

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