Is Ireland a "home nation"?

11-10-2015 12:50PM #1

Lucozade Sports ad has the tag "strictly for the home nations only" and shows rugby players from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland...

http://youtu.be/TpSqEKpTLUI

Are we regarded as a home nation? It's a phrase I haven't heard in some time, and certainly haven't heard it used about Ireland. Or does the inclusion of NI in rugby mean it's valid?

Sheep Lover · 11-10-2015 12:50PM

No

Guy:Incognito · 11-10-2015 12:52PM

I was wondering how long this ****e was going to take to surface:rolleyes:

Taco Chips · 11-10-2015 12:53PM

Yes. There has to be some term to refer to the grouping of the UK and Ireland given their geography and shared history. People kick up enough fuss about terms like "The British Isles". There has to be some description, I think the Home Nations is a good one.

FrStone · 11-10-2015 12:53PM

Well considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK, which is a separate country to the Republic of Ireland, we are not a 'home country'.

However I'm sure there will be a load of people who will disagree with me as they don't like the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

NachoBusiness · 11-10-2015 12:54PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I was wondering how long this ****e was going to take to surface:rolleyes:

Wait a minute. So you knew about this already and didn't let us know??

kneemos · 11-10-2015 12:55PM

Oh no,they've included us in some vague way with Great Briton.

ancapailldorcha · 11-10-2015 12:55PM

I am outraged and offended at whatever this is about...

astrofool · 11-10-2015 12:57PM

FrStone wrote: »

Well considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK, which is a separate country to the Republic of Ireland, we are not a 'home country'.

However I'm sure there will be a load of people who will disagree with me as they don't like the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

The rugby team represents the entire Island, so in that sense, we're as much a home team as Wales and Scotland.

questionmark? · 11-10-2015 12:57PM

In terms of Rugby yes we are. That won't ever change unless Rugby stops been played when we get taken over by zombies.

Harry Palmr · 11-10-2015 12:57PM

Kinda tricky as the Ireland rugby team contains elements of UK in it. When the Lions play its 4 nations - the "home nations"

bpmurray · 11-10-2015 01:00PM

The term "Home Nations" refers to the UK countries, i.e. England, Scotland, Wales and NI. However, as Wikipedia explains:

The term "Home Nations" is used in this second sense partly because Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland have a unified association structure in certain sports, such as the Irish Rugby Football Union.

In other words, it's terminology and not a political land-grab so nothing to get your knickers in a twist over!

11-10-2015 01:00PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I was wondering how long this ****e was going to take to surface:rolleyes:

The time has come, the matter has surfaced..l

11-10-2015 01:01PM

bpmurray wrote: »

In other words, it's terminology and not a political land-grab so nothing to get your knickers in a twist over!

Oh I appreciate it's just terminology and the English are not invading.

It just seems to me to to be wrong terminology.

pawrick · 11-10-2015 01:01PM

Home nations refers to the nation's who supplied the settlers to the British colonies originally in rugby terms as far as I knew so Ireland would be considered a home nation in that respect imo as we were a considerable part of the empire back in the day as regards supplying man power to the army and settlers by choice or not.

whiskeyman · 11-10-2015 01:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lucozade Sports ad has the tag "strictly for the home nations only" and shows rugby players from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland...

It obviously didn't do much good for England.

I want whatever the All Blacks are drinking!

:pac:

Sheep Lover · 11-10-2015 01:02PM

Why is there a constant want to be grouped with the UK? "Oh sure arent we part of the home nations and the British Isles"

Eh no, we're Ireland.

LDN_Irish · 11-10-2015 01:03PM

You'd swear Conor was some hardline republican with some of the responses on here.

kneemos · 11-10-2015 01:04PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Why is there a constant want to be grouped with the UK? "Oh sure arent we part of the home nations and the British Isles"

Eh no, we're Ireland.

It's due to our proximity to the mainland.

FunLover18 · 11-10-2015 01:07PM

EDIT: I misunderstood the term and thought it referred to the fact we were playing at home which we clearly aren't.

As you were

Sheep Lover · 11-10-2015 01:07PM

kneemos wrote: »

It's due to our proximity to the mainland.

What about France? At least they've nice food and decent weather.

The Backwards Man · 11-10-2015 01:18PM

You never see any threads on boards.lu about Luxembourg being the arse end of the Benelux.

Stojkovic · 11-10-2015 01:22PM

Ive no problem with British TV calling us a home nation in sporting terms. Its a friendly term as all our players play there.

If they ignored us, people would still moan.
You cant win.

Note I said sporting terms not political.

Guy:Incognito · 11-10-2015 01:36PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

What about France? At least they've nice food and decent weather.

They talk funny.

and they smell.

Nodin · 11-10-2015 01:38PM

kneemos wrote: »

It's due to our proximity to the mainland.

"mainland" my sweaty gowel.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 11-10-2015 01:39PM

What exactly does Home nation mean?

What are they a home of/to exactly?

It's quite an odd phrase in my opinion.

It's juts another term that's used to lump us an brits in together when I think most people are quite happy with both countries being independent of each other and should be referred to in that way.

Eugene Norman · 11-10-2015 01:47PM

Nodin wrote: »

"mainland" my sweaty gowel.

Haha I hate that term two. Two islands off the biggest land mass on earth and one of them is a mainland.

Fog in English Channel. Continent cut off from mainland.

Eugene Norman · 11-10-2015 01:49PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

What exactly does Home nation mean?

What are they a home of/to exactly?

But unlike mainland home nations is perfectly fine.

home of the original rugby boards ( or soccer leagues) who played the first internationals long before other countries had leagues or associations. Belonging to a now defunct international league called the "home nations championship", precursor to the 5 and then 6 nations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_Home_Nations_Championship

The King of Moo · 11-10-2015 01:53PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

What exactly does Home nation mean?

What are they a home of/to exactly?

It's quite an odd phrase in my opinion.

It's juts another term that's used to lump us an brits in together when I think most people are quite happy with both countries being independent of each other and should be referred to in that way.

But like it or not, we're very similar culturally, we speak English as our main language, and we're literally isolated from the rest of Europe.
Like it or not, people lump us together when they think of us, even if they know Ireland is politically independent, so it makes sense to have a term to describe us and the UK together.

Banjoxed · 11-10-2015 01:55PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Why is there a constant want to be grouped with the UK? "Oh sure arent we part of the home nations and the British Isles"

Eh no, we're Ireland.

We'll stop playing rugby. That will solve it.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 11-10-2015 01:57PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

But unlike mainland home nations is perfectly fine.

home of the original rugby boards ( or soccer leagues) who played the first internationals long before other countries had leagues or associations.

It's still a daft term as it means nothing really as what exactly is the "home" referring to. Ireland is only home to Irish people not people from Britain.

Is Ireland a "home nation"?

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