Fire at a halting site in Dublin Mod Warning Post #1

Qualitymark · 10-10-2015 01:42PM

Where is the normal "RIPs only" mod warning on this thread?

LollipopJimmy · 10-10-2015 01:44PM

SKETT wrote: »

When those 7 pricks were being sentenced for aggravated burglary in Tipperary less than 2 weeks ago, nobody had a good word to say about the travelling community. Now that 9 people have died in a halting site fire, the travelling community are god's gift to society. The hypocrisy is astounding. Make up your minds.

I had little time for the travelling community as a whole. Through my job I have on occasion been dealing with members of the travelling community. To my now shame and embarrassment I have realised they are just like every other group in society and there is good and bad in each so i have stopped tarring every one of them with the same brush.

RIP to those that have lost their lives and a speedy recovery to the injured

SKETT · 10-10-2015 01:44PM

Menas wrote: »

Those 7 were male and white. Does that make all white males the scum of the earth too?

You are all missing my point. I fully acknowledge there are good/bad elements in the travelling community. Statistically they are more involved in crime than the settled community - there is no arguing with that. 0.6% of the population are travellers. 15% of the male prison population are travellers. Even pavee point acknowledge this http://www.paveepoint.ie/vacancy-traveller-prison-worker/

The point I was making is that the very same people offering their sympathies on here, are the ones who generally comment on articles about their cruel treatment of horses, or terrorizing the elderly people in rural Ireland as "It's part of their culture boss".

the dark phantom · 10-10-2015 01:51PM

Terrible thing to happen.rip.

Dan_Solo · 10-10-2015 01:52PM

SKETT wrote: »

When those 7 pricks were being sentenced for aggravated burglary in Tipperary less than 2 weeks ago, nobody had a good word to say about the travelling community. Now that 9 people have died in a halting site fire, the travelling community are god's gift to society. The hypocrisy is astounding. Make up your minds.

Who said this?
Be specific now, or you'll just sound like, ya know, that you're blowing sh1te.

Don't Chute! · 10-10-2015 01:52PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

As the RTE programme showed, the only thing AGS treat seriously is any possibility one of their members will be done for criminality.

What the **** are you talking about?

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2015 01:58PM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

Not everyone HAS to live the way you consider appropriate.

Never said they did.

I do expect all elements of society to abide by the law, to pay their taxes and to contribute. After that by all means.

We are talking about a totally unregulated part of society that we support to basically do whatever the hell they want and justify it on absurd ethnicity claims. It's the biggest con going.

I agree with the comments above - middle class people all supportive and sympathetic. But try build a halting site in their community and see the uproar because they know themselves.

Dan_Solo · 10-10-2015 01:59PM

black and amber wrote: »

What the **** are you talking about?

Everything is a suicide or accident with AGS, so no investigation required.
Didn't think it was that confusing. Maybe you need to break sentences up into smaller groups of words for practice?

Dan_Solo · 10-10-2015 02:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Never said they did.

I do expect all elements of society to abide by the law, to pay their taxes and to contribute. After that by all means.

We are talking about a totally unregulated part of society that we support to basically do whatever the hell they want and justify it on absurd ethnicity claims. It's the biggest con going.

I agree with the comments above - middle class people all supportive and sympathetic. But try build a halting site in their community and see the uproar because they know themselves.

That's great.
Now WTF has this to do with this tragedy?

SKETT · 10-10-2015 02:02PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Who said this?
Be specific now, or you'll just sound like, ya know, that you're blowing sh1te.

Didn't you get the memo, it's the theme of the day. Just a selection of posts:

I've been driving past that halting site for years. It was always kept in immaculate condition and with obvious pride. Rip

A highly respected local family: father, mother, four boys and a baby girl, and probably also the wife's sister, her husband and their child. People whose children were in local teams, who were well known and much liked in their neighbourhood. The local community is swinging into action, neighbours bringing food, and clothes to replace what the survivors have lost. Family are arriving to help and comfort.

Contrast these to a selection of posts from the thread about the 7 burglars sentenced recently, (theme of the day 2 weeks ago was traveller bashing)

all the major limerick gangs were traveller gangs , the media just left that part out , this is a traveller issue , not a dublin , limerick or longford one

the issue of a rural crime epedemic is a traveller one , its just not reported

Even in the good times when there were plenty of jobs the latter crowd would not work. They preferred robbing and drug dealing. If they did work it was to rip off the elderly, roof-fixing, tarmacking etc.

I used to hear the old people talking about travellers when they really were poor, they would do a days work for the farmers in the area for food and some money.

This generation of them want everything for nothing and the rest of them are involved in criminality.

Like I said, hypocrisy.

Valetta · 10-10-2015 02:02PM

SKETT wrote: »

The point I was making is that the very same people offering their sympathies on here, are the ones who generally comment on articles about their cruel treatment of horses, or terrorizing the elderly people in rural Ireland as "It's part of their culture boss".

What's wrong with holding those two perfectly compatible points of view?

RIP to the victims.

testaccount123 · 10-10-2015 02:02PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sorry but I just can't get this at all. This is the way these people want to live and I find the whole thing ridiculous. Why are we tolerating and giving to a subsection that contributes nothing to this society?

I'm actually angry. I have full sympathy for the victims and it's a horrible incident but there are matters that we seriously need to address and then maybe such incidents can be avoided.

I'm totally lost for words. I fully expect the usual nonsense from the Irish Traveller Movement and Pavee Point and all the rest of them. Defend this, tell us it's their culture - instead of bull****ting just come out and explain why living like this is appropriate in the 21st century other than being a front for criminal behavior.

It's crazy. And the result is "accidents" like this. Horrible.

You are a horrible scumbag

Dan_Solo · 10-10-2015 02:04PM

SKETT wrote: »

Didn't you get the memo, it's the theme of the day. Just a selection of posts:

Contrast these to a selection of posts from the thread about the 7 burglars sentenced recently, (theme of the day 2 weeks ago was traveller bashing)

Like I said, hypocrisy.

Are these the same people? Since you've deliberately removed the names of the posters I guess they're not so you're just talking twaddle?

Skylinehead · 10-10-2015 02:05PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Never said they did.

I do expect all elements of society to abide by the law, to pay their taxes and to contribute. After that by all means.

We are talking about a totally unregulated part of society that we support to basically do whatever the hell they want and justify it on absurd ethnicity claims. It's the biggest con going.

I agree with the comments above - middle class people all supportive and sympathetic. But try build a halting site in their community and see the uproar because they know themselves.

9 people dead, and you're talking about taxes. Classy.

snubbleste · 10-10-2015 02:05PM

Obviously, with this terrible happening, the rugby & the soccer matches tomorrow must be postponed.

SKETT · 10-10-2015 02:07PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Are these the same people? Since you've deliberately removed the names of the posters I guess they're not so you're just talking twaddle?

You've lost the argument mate, give it up. Even if those posts were all from the same person (which they're not), the fact they still remain on the thread, and the posts were not deleted, and users were not banned shows they maintain a level of acceptability. Try posting similar posts in this thread and see how you get on. Middle-class narcissistic Hypocrisy.

GLaDOS · 10-10-2015 02:07PM

Mod

Several people have just lost their lives in a horrible incident, this is not the thread to have a pop at the lifestyle of the travelling community

Keep any speculation you have about the cause of the fire to yourself

Bringing posts from other threads into this one isn't on either, cut it out now

Autonomous Cowherd · 10-10-2015 02:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But try build a halting site in their community and see the uproar because they know themselves.

I grew up in a middle class rural setting and we always had travelers living on the lane beside us. We gave them their water and their horses over-wintered in our field. I don't know what happened exactly over the years that travelers and settled people grew so distrustful of each other. We are all just human beings.

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2015 02:10PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

9 people dead, and you're talking about taxes. Classy.

What else should I talk about? It is an unregulated part of society. Would you like me to engage in the faux sympathy here and ignore the problems?

Mental Mickey · 10-10-2015 02:10PM

Why do all threads on AH descend into bickering?

RIP to all

RayM · 10-10-2015 02:11PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm totally lost for words.

If only that were true. On a day like today, at least.

GLaDOS · 10-10-2015 02:13PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What else should I talk about? It is an unregulated part of society. Would you like me to engage in the faux sympathy here and ignore the problems?

Mod: Don't post in this thread again

Haznat · 10-10-2015 02:13PM

People are out with their tarring brushes here I see.

All the middle class families that live around the corner from this site would be delighted if everyone went after them for the actions of their neighbour Graham Dywer I'm sure.

Mental Mickey · 10-10-2015 02:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What else should I talk about? It is an unregulated part of society. Would you like me to engage in the faux sympathy here and ignore the problems?

Faux sympathy?

tayto lover · 10-10-2015 02:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What else should I talk about? It is an unregulated part of society. Would you like me to engage in the faux sympathy here and ignore the problems?

I have no time for paedophiles BUT if 9 of them died in a prison fire i'd have sympathy for them because of the awful painful death they suffered.

That's what's happening here and it's not faux sympathy.

Samaris · 10-10-2015 02:17PM

Edited since the guy I was talking to has been shooed.

Although wtf at the paedophile comment? O.O

My name is URL · 10-10-2015 02:18PM

I don't see the point in allowing discussions like this to continue before anything concrete is known etc.

Of course it's a tragedy, that goes without saying. But if discussion is being encouraged at a time when there's really nothing to discuss then naturally people will speculate and discuss other unrelated aspects of the whole thing.

RIP to those who lost their lives and condolences to those who knew them, anyway.

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2015 02:25PM

Samaris wrote: »

Well, you could have a bit of common decency and not use the deaths of two families (regardless of their background) to air your political laundry for a start.

It's not faux sympathy. Most people on hearing about a tragedy will, for a few moments at least, feel something for those who have lost loved ones and something for the people who died in a horrible manner.

No-one's holding a gun to your head TO comment in this particular thread. And claiming that people can't condemn the group of thugs (which happened to include some travellors, rather than being made up of them, but that point tends to get ignored) that got convicted while feeling sympathy for a totally unconnected family dying in horrific circumstances is, quite simply, daft.

It is, it's hypocrisy of the highest order. And FYI I never made any such connections between any criminal gang and anyone else. I also did express sympathy for the victims. I see one mod does not like what most themselves know to be true and wants to stop posters airing their views which is expected because we can't criticise travellers on boards.ie (even when one is invited to post about themselves but refuses to answer basic questions).

I have made my point. Total hypocrisy.

Mod: Banned for ignoring thread ban.

10-10-2015 02:32PM

Rest In Peace.

sReq | uTeK · 10-10-2015 02:54PM

I think in times like this its important to remember that the people who lost their lives are just like us, human. All those of you using the thread to get your one-up-man-ship on one another are just disgusting.

RIP a tragic loss

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