Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Magico Gonzalez · 06-10-2015 02:49PM

Has Ilori played for Villa yet?

Caovyn Lineah · 06-10-2015 02:51PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Has Ilori played for Villa yet?

Nope, not good enough to start for Villa but definitely should have been starting for us.

Knex* · 06-10-2015 02:51PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Everybody is definitely jinxing this. Let's talk about getting Sam Allardyce.

I'd actually go and watch GAA.

Well, not quite. But it would be bad, anyway.

punk_one82 · 06-10-2015 02:51PM

Dickerty wrote: »

One big plus for me on Klopp is that you can imagine a lot of talented players would really want to play for him.
So in Jan and summer, the Klopp factor might be a big element in attracting someone like a Reus, or Matuidi, or Oliver Torres for example - I think they would leave an already big club for a chance to maybe be part of something special with Klopp...

Ah now, don't be getting your hopes up for that calibre of player.

Dickerty · 06-10-2015 02:53PM

Lads, everyone is saying the committee will stay. That structure is in place in a LOT of other big European clubs. They may also have a DoF who handles negotiation and contracts, and the manager is a coach first and foremost.

But there is a risk in the manager making the decisions on who to sign. Those signings may only fit into that managers style of play, or they would sign older, more proven players because it gives a better chance of immediate return.
At least we have been investing in younger players and TRYING to find better value, and players like Moreno, Markovic, Sakho, Clyne, Henderson, Ings and Can WILL prove to be good long term intestments - either to the first team, or to the balance sheet.

Bandana boy · 06-10-2015 02:53PM

i think we will see somnething more in line with this , although it does not look well balanced

Mignolet

Clyne

Skrtel

Sakho

Moreno

Henderson

Lucas

----Milner

Firmino

Coutinho

Sturridge

Dickerty · 06-10-2015 02:54PM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Ah now, don't be getting your hopes up for that calibre of player.

Well if he gets CL this season, why not? We are already a big club, great history, can pay the same wages as other clubs. So if the 'project' is interesting, and the coach is inspiring, never say never?

dobsdave · 06-10-2015 02:57PM

From BBC, If Franz approves.....

Franz Beckenbauer, who won the World Cup with West Germany as both player and manager, believes Klopp and Liverpool will be a "good couple".

"I think Klopp is best for the club," he told BBC Radio 5 live. "It's a fantastic combination. He can achieve similar things with Liverpool like he did with Dortmund.

"Jurgen will find out what the problem is there. Klopp and Liverpool will be a good couple."

Agent Coulson · 06-10-2015 02:59PM

https://twitter.com/tonybarrettimes/status/651395415796023296

Potential Underachiever · 06-10-2015 03:01PM

I hope if Klopp comes in and maybe plays Lovren over Sakho or plays Can at the back etc that people will not start with all the spoofer talk about Klopp too. We can accept that a manager can't please every fan out there with his team selection so we can trust his judgement of what he sees himself on the training ground, I'll be pretty pissed off if he's getting grief early doors.

06-10-2015 03:03PM

I find it amusing to an extent that folks consider all the non premier league signings to be committee buys and are happy to give Rodgers all the "credit" for the rest.

Surely we have to presume the committee or most of it were in favour of Lallana, Ings, Benteke etc too.

Anyway I wouldn't be overly optimistic of the flood of TV money making us opt for BIG purchases as lots of other clubs will be benefitting too and many are already comfy money wise.

I reckon the £30m that currently buys you a Benteke, Lukaku or Bony won't stretch too far in the future.

As others have mentioned I do think our squad is quite good and really close to being Top4 quality, as bad as as the defence is Clyne & Sakho aren't at all bad so we're at least half way there. Gomez and Moreno are capable too so fingers crossed etc etc.

New manager will provide a short term boost one would expect so the upcoming games might well return a decent haul, a point at Goodison wasn't a bad start to the 4 game run... Spurs, S'ton & Chelsea to come.

Dickerty · 06-10-2015 03:03PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Nope, not good enough to start for Villa but definitely should have been starting for us.

Really? Despite his being completely untested at this level? Drop Skrtel for him? :rolleyes:

Caovyn Lineah · 06-10-2015 03:04PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Really? Despite his being completely untested at this level? Drop Skrtel for him? :rolleyes:

I was being sarcastic.

People were giving out a few weeks ago that he should have been kept at the club and played.

Barely There · 06-10-2015 03:04PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

i think we will see somnething more in line with this , although it does not look well balanced
Mignolet

Clyne
Skrtel
Sakho
Moreno
Henderson
Lucas

----Milner
Firmino
Coutinho
Sturridge

On current form Ings and Sturridge have to start in a two up front formation.
Drop Firmino. Play the other 4 Mids in a diamond.

Caovyn Lineah · 06-10-2015 03:05PM

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

I hope if Klopp comes in and maybe plays Lovren over Sakho or plays Can at the back etc that people will not start with all the spoofer talk about Klopp too. We can accept that a manager can't please every fan out there with his team selection so we can trust his judgement of what he sees himself on the training ground, I'll be pretty pissed off if he's getting grief early doors.

Only an idiot writes a manager off within the first 6 months, unless the manager is roy Hodgson.

Nerdlingr · 06-10-2015 03:07PM

Still dont see the fuss about Moreno. Defensively he's quite poor.
He doesnt seem to have learned in the year and a half he's been at the club. Last Sunday summed up his defensive abilities ...standing off his man, not blocking the cross, turning his back on the ball for fear of getting hit in the face, in the f*cking derby!!
Great speed up and down the line but his final ball is shocking too.
Still only 23 so hopefully he improves over the season.

Harry Palmr · 06-10-2015 03:08PM

In the short term with Hendo and Firmino both out is straight forward

Mignolet
Clyne--Sktrel--Sakho--Moreno

Lucas

Milner--Can

Coutinho

Sturidge--Ings

gafferino · 06-10-2015 03:09PM

Sign him up

martyos121 · 06-10-2015 03:12PM

Dickerty wrote: »

One big plus for me on Klopp is that you can imagine a lot of talented players would really want to play for him.
So in Jan and summer, the Klopp factor might be a big element in attracting someone like a Reus, or Matuidi, or Oliver Torres for example - I think they would leave an already big club for a chance to maybe be part of something special with Klopp...

We have enough Oliver Torres's at the club (Coutinho, Lallana, Firmino), plus he is so unbelievably overrated it's unreal. He had around 5 good games for Porto all of last season, and in most of the other games, he was anonymous. I'm not saying at all that you haven't seen much of him, but I have a feeling you may have only seen his good games (sure even Joe Allen had some great games for us, doesn't put him in the class of Reus and Matuidi though).

Sorry if it sounds like I'm having a go at you, I just can't stand the overhyping of young players when they haven't done a whole lot.

Dickerty · 06-10-2015 03:12PM

I don't think we'll see much of a different in starting XI, he can only play what we have, moreso on our approach and balance between defence and attack.

Only positions that we really need to address are CB beside Sakho and holding CMs. The rest pick themselves, for now...

Migs

-Clyne-?????-Sakho-Moreno-

CM

-Firmino-Coutinho-Sturridge-

Benteke

So CMs are between Hendo, Milner, Can and Lucas. Hendo and Can for me, with potential for Milner to replace either Firmino or Benteke with a change of shape...

SlickRic · 06-10-2015 03:21PM

just to bring people back down to earth...

we've also been linked with Mark Warburton.

Knex* · 06-10-2015 03:23PM

SlickRic wrote: »

just to bring people back down to earth...

we've also been linked with Mark Warburton.

FSG would be hunted out if they did that, nearly.

Magico Gonzalez · 06-10-2015 03:26PM

If we hire Warburton the boycotts will start. It would be the toughest start imaginable.

Francie Barrett · 06-10-2015 03:29PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

If we hire Warburton the boycotts will start. It would be the toughest start imaginable.

You could say there will be war if we hire Warburton?

Talisman · 06-10-2015 03:33PM

SlickRic wrote: »

just to bring people back down to earth...

we've also been linked with Mark Warburton.

Is that on the back of my post recently?

K-9 · 06-10-2015 03:33PM

whatawaster wrote: »

If the rumours about which players were transfer committee signings and which were Rodgers signings then I don't think the committee has been that bad.

Coutinho, Sturridge, Sakho, Moreno, Firmino, Can, Markovic - all look to have something imo. Some are important first team players already, and I wouldn't write off the others.

Very excited to see how we line up under Klopp (assuming there are no late hitches).
Mignolet

Clyne
Skrtel
Sakho
Moreno
Can
Henderson
Coutinho

----Sturridge
Benteke
Firmino

That would be my preferred system with the current personnel. We are really missing a pacy wide player, and I wish Markovic was still here.

The players they didn't get plus Mario or Eto probably says more about the committee though.

They seem to be getting away scot free out of all of it, they have to go back nearly 3 years to their last successful buys.

bur · 06-10-2015 03:34PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Lads, everyone is saying the committee will stay. That structure is in place in a LOT of other big European clubs. They may also have a DoF who handles negotiation and contracts, and the manager is a coach first and foremost.

But there is a risk in the manager making the decisions on who to sign. Those signings may only fit into that managers style of play, or they would sign older, more proven players because it gives a better chance of immediate return.
At least we have been investing in younger players and TRYING to find better value, and players like Moreno, Markovic, Sakho, Clyne, Henderson, Ings and Can WILL prove to be good long term intestments - either to the first team, or to the balance sheet.

They should just call it the scouting committee, would stop people stressing out about something they have no actual knowledge of.

whatawaster · 06-10-2015 03:34PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

You could say there will be war if we hire Warburton?

It'll be like that film - War of the Burtons.

dogbert27 · 06-10-2015 03:43PM

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

I hope if Klopp comes in and maybe plays Lovren over Sakho or plays Can at the back etc that people will not start with all the spoofer talk about Klopp too. We can accept that a manager can't please every fan out there with his team selection so we can trust his judgement of what he sees himself on the training ground, I'll be pretty pissed off if he's getting grief early doors.

Usually a new manager only gets grief from those who defended the previous manager

bur · 06-10-2015 03:44PM

K-9 wrote: »

The players they didn't get plus Mario or Eto probably says more about the committee though.

They seem to be getting away scot free out of all of it, they have to go back nearly 3 years to their last successful buys.

But if that happened, why wasn't Rodgers in the press going on about wanting a table but being give a stool instead?

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