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DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

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  • #5612
    coolhandspan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭coolhandspan


    Hi folks. Quick question for dubgal.. Are we holding off talking about race day pacing til t-2...??


  • #5613
    Singer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    coolhandspan wrote: »
    Hi folks. Quick question for dubgal.. Are we holding off talking about race day pacing til t-2...??

    Yep, that's the plan:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97220700&postcount=5549

    (And we all stick to the plan all the time around here :D:pac:)


  • #5614
    frash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭frash


    neilthefunkeone wrote: »
    nice work.. Was over there in May same reason and went for a runn.. The island is one big hill.. All up!!

    Cheers
    I'm home on Sunday do no runs here.


  • #5615
    coolhandspan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭coolhandspan


    Thanks singer... Hope everyone's training is going well... Not long now til taper....


  • #5616
    duffer247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭duffer247


    Hi All
    Did anyone notice if boards crashed on Wednesday evening or just me? long post run post done but seemed to crash as I submitted. Anyhows suffice to say 10m done, average pace of 10.54, found the urban nature of the run a little frustrating - curbs, traffic lights, pedestrians, curbs, undulating pavements, did I mention curbs! But all in all I was please with this run.
    5m last night @11.14, around m3 I felt a little tightness in back of right leg, so slowed down, legs felt pretty heavy too for a relatively short run. Went easy on the foam rolling.
    Tired this morning


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  • #5617
    DL40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 ✭DL40


    Hi folks...just joined forum today...some great posts. I am a first timer at this years DCM..Training going well, though limbs are starting to feel little sore now..

    I have a question re fuelling at the marathon. I know there are water points along the way, and some points will also have lucozade sport, but will they be in a cup, or bottle ? I found drinking from cups on the move near impossible in doing a couple of half marathons, and needed to stop to drink them, which I didn't really want...Aiming for sub 4hr...

    Thanks
    DL40


  • #5618
    Dubgal72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    coolhandspan wrote: »
    Hi folks. Quick question for dubgal.. Are we holding off talking about race day pacing til t-2...??
    Singer wrote: »
    Yep, that's the plan:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97220700&postcount=5549

    (And we all stick to the plan all the time around here :D:pac:)
    :p


    Hehe, not absolutely. You will have a more firm idea of what is possible and what is not by the end of week T-2 hopefully. So if you have a question in the meantime, shoot. Off for a run now so will get back to you later if one of the team doesn't get to you in the meantime :)


  • #5619
    Singer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    DL40 wrote: »
    Hi folks...just joined forum today...some great posts. I am a first timer at this years DCM..Training going well, though limbs are starting to feel little sore now..

    I have a question re fuelling at the marathon. I know there are water points along the way, and some points will also have lucozade sport, but will they be in a cup, or bottle ? I found drinking from cups on the move near impossible in doing a couple of half marathons, and needed to stop to drink them, which I didn't really want...Aiming for sub 4hr...

    I'm expecting there'll be bottles of water and Lucozade Sport in the marathon, just like in the half marathon.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96938222&postcount=256


  • #5620
    FBOT01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Singer wrote: »
    Yep, that's the plan:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97220700&postcount=5549

    (And we all stick to the plan all the time around here :D:pac:)

    ....or pay the price when the day of reckoning arrives :pac::pac:


  • #5621
    duffer247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭duffer247


    Anybody any thoughts regarding park runs vs. urban running for their lsr's? To date I've based my midweek runs around the suburbs and my lsr's in Tymon Park which has a >3m loop with plenty of variation, directional turns and a few hills. I'm tempted this weekend lsr to take the opportunity of covering some of the marathon route as it goes quite close to where I live. The only hangup is that during Wednesday's 10m I found the crossing of roads and intersections and pedestrian traffic to be really annoying, especially compared with the relative freedom of running in a park.


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  • #5622
    diego_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Hi diego, sorry to hear you had to bail but you know it was a good call! Keep in touch with your physio if you need to before the next appt, from what you say of him, I'm sure he won't mind. Glad to hear you got feedback on your bike queries and it's going well. If you start getting anxious (which, you will know, is not allowed) remind yourself of all the work you have done...and are still doing :)

    Thanks Dubgal, I will try a shorter run tomorrow morning and see how it goes. Even if I can do say 3-6 miles and then an hour on the bike I'd be happy enough with that.
    I am hoping like last Thursday that if I can get 2-3 miles into it that it will ease out again and then we'll see. Last week I felt better after the run than I did before hand with it after it loosened out, just this week the pain was a good 5/10 starting off and I felt I was going to do much damage if I tried to push through it. Thought maybe the smarter option was to stop, get on the bike for a few days and then see.
    I have been told to avoid stairs but can't with the house I live in so doing my best old man/woman routine going up/down the stairs....my right leg is getting a good work out as I have to go one step at a time using my left leg as a standing leg as opposed to a stepping leg if that makes sense.


  • #5623
    eyeball kid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭eyeball kid


    duffer247 wrote: »
    Anybody any thoughts regarding park runs vs. urban running for their lsr's? To date I've based my midweek runs around the suburbs and my lsr's in Tymon Park which has a >3m loop with plenty of variation, directional turns and a few hills. I'm tempted this weekend lsr to take the opportunity of covering some of the marathon route as it goes quite close to where I live. The only hangup is that during Wednesday's 10m I found the crossing of roads and intersections and pedestrian traffic to be really annoying, especially compared with the relative freedom of running in a park.

    I find running in the city a lot more tiring. Its a lot more stop start with intersections and pedestrians. Kind of puts me off. Where I currently run, its all back roads or country roads and I really love it.

    A few people here have recommended doing sections of the marathon course to gain familiarity with the route. If I was living in Dublin I'd probably would have done it.


  • #5624
    This Fat Girl Runs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    duffer247 wrote: »
    Anybody any thoughts regarding park runs vs. urban running for their lsr's? To date I've based my midweek runs around the suburbs and my lsr's in Tymon Park which has a >3m loop with plenty of variation, directional turns and a few hills. I'm tempted this weekend lsr to take the opportunity of covering some of the marathon route as it goes quite close to where I live. The only hangup is that during Wednesday's 10m I found the crossing of roads and intersections and pedestrian traffic to be really annoying, especially compared with the relative freedom of running in a park.

    I tried running more of the route but like you, got annoyed at having to stop/start for traffic all the time. That and dodging pedestrians and cyclists made it less worth my while.

    The early part of the route up Manor/Aughrim Street, SCR and through the Phoenix Park into Castleknock then College and Tower Road is handy enough I find, especially early on a Sunday morning. I can get a good few miles done that way then back into the park to make up the rest.

    I guess I decided that what few LSR's I could do on the main route weren't going to make/break my marathon in the long run. It's going to be a completely different experience anyway with being able to run on the roads straight through.

    Anyway, those are my two cents, which is probably really only worth a ha'penny :P


  • #5625
    Neady83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    duffer247 wrote: »
    Anybody any thoughts regarding park runs vs. urban running for their lsr's? To date I've based my midweek runs around the suburbs and my lsr's in Tymon Park which has a >3m loop with plenty of variation, directional turns and a few hills. I'm tempted this weekend lsr to take the opportunity of covering some of the marathon route as it goes quite close to where I live. The only hangup is that during Wednesday's 10m I found the crossing of roads and intersections and pedestrian traffic to be really annoying, especially compared with the relative freedom of running in a park.

    I've done two 20miler LSRs so far. One on a >3 mile country loop with no starting and stopping and a few rolling hills and the other in around Galway city with a lot of hopping on and off curbs and a few stops for traffic here and there.

    I found that I was much less fatigued after the country LSR and my legs were less wrecked during the run compared to running in the city. There were probably other factors involved but I put a lot of the tiredness in my legs down to stopping and starting and hopping up and down on the curbs.

    If I was living in Dublin I'd love to try out some of the marathon route but similar to TFGR, I don't think it will make or break my marathon.


  • #5626
    smashiner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭smashiner


    Neady83 wrote: »
    I've done two 20miler LSRs so far. One on a >3 mile country loop with no starting and stopping and a few rolling hills and the other in around Galway city with a lot of hopping on and off curbs and a few stops for traffic here and there.

    I found that I was much less fatigued after the country LSR and my legs were less wrecked during the run compared to running in the city. There were probably other factors involved but I put a lot of the tiredness in my legs down to stopping and starting and hopping up and down on the curbs.

    If I was living in Dublin I'd love to try out some of the marathon route but similar to TFGR, I don't think it will make or break my marathon.


    Hi Duffer247 ,I would agree with Neady on this.

    I probably live quite close to you by the sounds of it ! I would say that you should stick to your route in Tymon Park and maybe avoid the DCM route at this point, the main reason is that you will probably have to run on concrete paths (harder on your joints) and also have the hassle of people walking dogs on leads etc and traffic lights breaking up your run (just IMO). On the day you will be running on road/tarmac which is much easier on the body.

    I find that the tarmac paths around the Luas up to Citywest are good for an LSR too as they are not busy and have one or two rolling hills on them, so I find them safe enough (no dogs on leads ;)).

    Maybe do the bit from Dolphin's Barn (Halfway point) up the Crumlin Road to the Cherry Tree Roundabout if you fancy it, as this is a bit tricky on the day. Once you get to the CT roundabout there is a nice section down to the KCR and Bushy Park that is flat.

    Just my opinion, best of luck.

    P.S. I have really noticed how many people are smoking on the footpaths on my evening short runs home......anyone else getting choked by ciggy fumes?? Horrible when you are gasping for a bit of fresh air and all you get is a secondhand mouthful of Silk Cut 100's....... :(


  • #5627
    duffer247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭duffer247


    smashiner wrote: »

    I find that the tarmac paths around the Luas up to Citywest are good for an LSR too as they are not busy and have one or two rolling hills on them, so I find them safe enough (no dogs on leads ;)).

    Maybe do the bit from Dolphin's Barn (Halfway point) up the Crumlin Road to the Cherry Tree Roundabout if you fancy it, as this is a bit tricky on the day. Once you get to the CT roundabout there is a nice section down to the KCR and Bushy Park that is flat.

    Just my opinion, best of luck.

    That's good advice smashiner, and also from the other replies too. I think if I want to do some of the marathon route I can pick sections and use them for shorter runs.
    I ran down by the canal the other night but the poor light and cracked pavements made quite awkward plus I was half expecting a rat to run in front of me at anytime:eek:


  • #5628
    duffer247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭duffer247


    Phoebas wrote: »
    I've been breaking my long runs into 5 mile chunks up to now. Five miles is a distance that I can easily fit into my head;

    I've been doing something very similar, whilst I'd like to extend the distance I just think that 5 miles is something I am able to mentally measure. I imagine at a point in the marathon where a doubt or niggle emerges you can focus on completing that part of the 5m section rather than the daunting task of figuring out how you complete the remaining 12 or 14 miles for example.
    A guess its about milestones, which may be measured in miles or water stations or taking a scheduled gel


  • #5629
    neilthefunkeone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭neilthefunkeone


    Canal is my favorite route.. We Live close Duffer so i run down to Harolds X and left along the canal and basically run along side it all the way to Clondalkin village or if a longer route is required on up to grange castle, Left Up to Tallaght at either turn off and back down the N81 to Terenure

    Only a few road crossings & lights at start and end.. Lovely quiet car free middle!


  • #5630
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Neady83 wrote: »
    I've done two 20miler LSRs so far. One on a >3 mile country loop with no starting and stopping and a few rolling hills and the other in around Galway city with a lot of hopping on and off curbs and a few stops for traffic here and there.

    I found that I was much less fatigued after the country LSR and my legs were less wrecked during the run compared to running in the city. There were probably other factors involved but I put a lot of the tiredness in my legs down to stopping and starting and hopping up and down on the curbs.

    If I was living in Dublin I'd love to try out some of the marathon route but similar to TFGR, I don't think it will make or break my marathon.
    smashiner wrote: »
    Hi Duffer247 ,I would agree with Neady on this.

    +1 to this. The 20M we did as a group along the route (and where we met you!) was much harder because of the stop-starting and the constant attention required due to footpaths, motorists, etc.

    That said, I am glad we did the course-recce. Especially the part from your area to the city-centre, which will be the second half of the course on the day itself.

    For me, it really brought home to me how far we'll be going on the day, and how important it is to break the course into manageable sections (as thinking about the whole stretch still ahead is demoralizing). E.g. from Bushy Park to Orwell Rd. Then to Milltown. Then to the viaduct. Then to Clonskeagh. Then to UCD. Then to RTE (oh man :eek:).

    However, you don't need to do this during a real long LSR. Next week's 14M or even the last 8M would be perfect to double-job as a course-recce.

    Good luck!


  • #5631
    Neady83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    nop98 wrote: »
    E.g. from Bushy Park to Orwell Rd. Then to Milltown. Then to the viaduct. Then to Clonskeagh. Then to UCD. Then to RTE (oh man :eek:).

    I hope someone will point all of these out to me on the day so that I can visualise where you guys run when I read your logs. I'm hoping it will be like a 26.2 mile sightseeing tour for me ;)


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  • #5632
    ratracer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Hey DG, i did (eventually)

    The fog made a balls of my LSR plans yesterday, then in the evening the sun was warmer than any day of the 'summer':mad:. I was working yesterday evening though, so I only had a short run window, nevertheless I got 7.5km in at an easy pace, with the plan to do the LSR today.

    Up and at it, nice and early, I moved the run into Galway, with heavy fog forecast again at least it would be safe to run on the footpaths. Route planned, off I went. As I mentioned last week, although I completed the LSR of 31.5km, the last 3-4km was such a long slog as I didn't have enough water along the way. The legs weren't overly sore but mentally I just couldn't force myself to run the last few KM's.

    This week I carried two 250ml bottles of water (mixed with High5 Energy Source) with me and two Isogels. The run went very well, although I started to get nervy approaching 27km after last week. However, that fear was unfounded, as with the proper hydration/nutrition in place I didn't have any trouble towards the end, actually finishing the last few km feeling quite strong.

    So what was different from last week, I asked myself:

    1) I had sufficient water/gels and I think I took them at the right times - Water sipped throughout KM's 2-24, Gel at start, 13km and 22km. I think I faded last week because of a lack of water, hydration really is so important!
    2) Mentally, running in an urban environment is much easier than in a rural one, the scene is constantly changing, landmarks slide by, as opposed to looking at cows in fields!! I hope this is the case on M-Day too:eek:
    3) Sleep is under-rated, I should try more of it, more often.
    4) Pace: I slowed my pace this week by just 30s/km and this made a huge difference. I had probably let it creep up a little too much on the LSR, and while it was fine at distances up to 20km, it really showed on the longer runs. I would have been worried about my endurance, but I am happy with it now at the slower pace. I'm focussing now on enjoying the day out more than having a time goal.

    At least today I can say I 'enjoyed' the run and am looking forward to getting out again, although I must be in a minority when I say I can't wait for the taper!:D


  • #5633
    nop98
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Neady83 wrote: »
    I hope someone will point all of these out to me on the day so that I can visualise where you guys run when I read your logs. I'm hoping it will be like a 26.2 mile sightseeing tour for me ;)

    I'd say there'll be plenty of us around the 4h pace group... We'll make it a group tour! :)

    Oh - we're not allowed to talk target paces yet. :rolleyes:


  • #5634
    duffer247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭duffer247


    neilthefunkeone wrote: »
    Canal is my favorite route.. We Live close Duffer so i run down to Harolds X and left along the canal and basically run along side it all the way to Clondalkin village or if a longer route is required on up to grange castle, Left Up to Tallaght at either turn off and back down the N81 to Terenure

    Only a few road crossings & lights at start and end.. Lovely quiet car free middle!
    obviously my mistake was taking the wrong direction, last night I ran down to Sally's bridge and turned right towards town and turned up at Ranelagh, definitely will try this other route :)


  • #5635
    duffer247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭duffer247


    ratracer wrote: »
    I'm focussing now on enjoying the day out more than having a time goal.
    At least today I can say I 'enjoyed' the run

    It's certainly a conclusion I'm reaching especially with DG's advice around head up running and trying to enjoy it, I've found I've paid a lot less attention to my splits and more to my breathing, recovery and generally if I feel 'up' or 'down' during and after each run.
    Times are like Baby names - it's the first question people ask about but not the most important thing - not for this novice anyhow;)


  • #5636
    Stevo1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Stevo1983


    Anyone want to run my 20 miles in the morning ???
    I'll pay you in cake and tea;)


  • #5637
    neilthefunkeone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭neilthefunkeone


    Stevo1983 wrote: »
    Anyone want to run my 20 miles in the morning ???
    I'll pay you in cake and tea;)

    Ill trade you a 18m!!!


  • #5638
    Stevo1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Stevo1983


    Only willing to trade a Parkrun...


  • #5639
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    duffer247 wrote: »
    I've been doing something very similar, whilst I'd like to extend the distance I just think that 5 miles is something I am able to mentally measure. I imagine at a point in the marathon where a doubt or niggle emerges you can focus on completing that part of the 5m section rather than the daunting task of figuring out how you complete the remaining 12 or 14 miles for example.
    A guess its about milestones, which may be measured in miles or water stations or taking a scheduled gel
    I might end up breaking the whole race down into novenas :pac:


  • #5640
    Dubgal72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Boards playing silly bgrz....again...with anyone else tonight? Yeah, duffer, it went down for me on Wednesday I think too....


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  • #5641
    Dubgal72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    duffer247 wrote: »
    Times are like Baby names - it's the first question people ask about but not the most important thing - not for this novice anyhow;)

    Saving this :D Perfect!

    Most people don't know how long it should take anyway! I was asked if I'd do it in two hours :D:D

    And of course there are those :rolleyes: poor uninitiated who don't know how long it is....bless :)


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