Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

monkey9 · 02-10-2015 12:05PM

brevity wrote: »

Imagine what would have happened if we could.

Nothing much different to be fair. We won a lot of matches by just scoring more goals than the opposition, no matter how many goals they scored.

You can't plan or do anything about Gerrard slipping.

brevity · 02-10-2015 12:05PM

Augeo wrote: »

100% disagree, Sturridge playing 20 more PL games last year for us would have been at a minimum 9/10 extra points imo.

We wouldn't have conceded any more with him playing but I am as sure as one could be that he would have scored goals.

I'm all for scoring goals and exciting play, but if we are unable to defend leads, unable to control games, then we are not going to be successful.

Relying on Sturridge to save our season considering we've just spend 35 million on another striker is another cock up made by this club.

Knex* · 02-10-2015 12:06PM

Yeah, its not like the league came down to goal difference

02-10-2015 12:06PM

Morzadec wrote: »

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For this reason, Sunday's game has a real sense of Judgement Day about it. A loss (especially a comfortable one) could be the last straw for many and would really pile the pressure on.

Don't think it's an exaggeration to say it's one of the biggest matches of Rodgers' career.

A win will have us on 14pts after 8 games played, 2 points off a 2ppg figure.
Big game no doubt and Rodgers is fully aware of it.

Ings not getting 90mins last night indicative enough that we'll be starting with Sturridge & Ings as per Villa game. Coutinho on for Ings seemed strange as Ings would do well off Coutinho passes but Sunday a fresh Ings deemed necessary.

Lucas, Milner & Sturrdge totally rested for last night.

I am pretty sure Rodgers is going to Goodison wanting 3 points and he knows how important it is, which is great imo

Francie Barrett · 02-10-2015 12:07PM

Said it before, but October will be make or break for Rodgers. We're going to be playing the teams that we would expect to be just finishing behind us in 6th, 7th, and 8th. If we fail to win a game against Spuds, Southampton and Everton, then Rodgers is gone. 4 points would be enough for Rodgers to limp on (and is what I am expecting).

brevity · 02-10-2015 12:08PM

monkey9 wrote: »

Nothing much different to be fair. We won a lot of matches by just scoring more goals than the opposition, no matter how many goals they scored.

You can't plan or do anything about Gerrard slipping.

I agree the slip is just one of those things but if we had a better defensive system in place maybe Gerrard isn't in that position. Maybe there is someone behind him to stop Demba Ba...

Knex* · 02-10-2015 12:08PM

If we still looked like being capable of scoring 75 goals or so in the league, we'd actually be fine, but we don't. We really don't.

We've looked creative in about three games in twenty months now, and that's extremely worrying when its meant to be Rodgers' forte.

Hangballlouie · 02-10-2015 12:08PM

brevity wrote: »

Anyone else looking for Kolo?

I couldn't find Kolo but I found Wally.

Francie Barrett · 02-10-2015 12:08PM

Knex. wrote: »

For me, I would say that my pre match expectations are as low as they perhaps have ever been as a Liverpool fan, right now.

We're stagnating, and something needs to be done quickly.

It was worse under Woy, but Rodgers certainly does seem to be trying his hardest to get us to that level.

Knex* · 02-10-2015 12:10PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

It was worse under Woy, but Rodgers certainly does seem to be trying his hardest to get us to that level.

True. Having the likes of Joe Cole waddling his way around Anfield, and Jovanovic being an absolute Leonard on the pitch, certainly didn't help with the optimism stakes either.

J Mysterio · 02-10-2015 12:11PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Oh good christ, can people stop banging the Ilori drum? He has done NOTHING in his career yet people give out about him being loaned to Villa. If the manager threw Cleary in to the starting 11 he would be slated on here for playing such an inexperienced defender.

I'd practically guarantee that the people clamouring for Ilori have never even seen him play ffs.

Maybe they want to see him play?

We bought the lad as a highly promising CB and proceeded to never play him before looking to loan him out. The MO for the club recently. Ridiculous.

02-10-2015 12:12PM

brevity wrote: »

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Relying on Sturridge to save our season considering we've just spend 35 million on another striker is another cock up made by this club.

Not really imo, Sturridge is an exceptional talent.
Benteke I have no doubt will be in and around a goal every 2 / 2.5 games but as I mentioned earlier "Sturridge is to us what Sanchez is to Arsenal & what Aguero is to Man City."

City spent £30m on Bony and would struggle without Aguero

Football isn't analgous to a builder with 2 brickies, 2 chippies and 7 labourers making up his team, one gets sick, he hires in another and all is well the job gets done.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

...... If we fail to win a game against Spuds, Southampton and Everton, then Rodgers is gone. 4 points would be enough for Rodgers to limp on (and is what I am expecting).

time for a good run imo

brevity · 02-10-2015 12:21PM

Augeo wrote: »

Not really imo, Sturridge is an exceptional talent.
Benteke I have no doubt will be in and around a goal every 2 / 2.5 games but as I mentioned earlier "Sturridge is to us what Sanchez is to Arsenal & what Aguero is to Man City."

City spent £30m on Bony and would struggle without Aguero

Football isn't analgous to a builder with 2 brickies, 2 chippies and 7 labourers making up his team, one gets sick, he hires in another and all is well the job gets done.

City know that Aguero is injury prone, they have bought to remedy that. They do struggle without Aguero but they have players that keep them close to the line, Aguero comes in to get them over the line. They don't depend on him as such, he's a luxury imo.

That's how we should view Sturridge. We have players that should keep us competitive and Sturridge as a luxury.

02-10-2015 12:28PM

brevity wrote: »

City know that Aguero is injury prone, they have bought to remedy that. They do struggle without Aguero but they have players that keep them close to the line, Aguero comes in to get them over the line. They don't depend on him as such, he's a luxury imo.

That's how we should view Sturridge. We have players that should keep us competitive and Sturridge as a luxury.

If you consider our line to be 4th I 100% agree with your sentiment as last season we didn't have Benteke

Knex* · 02-10-2015 12:30PM

I still think we're lacking a midfielder, especially when Henderson is out, that can give that quick line splitting pass into the attacking midfielders/wingers/striker etc.

Even with Henderson, I prefer when he has that license to get forward and roam and use his energy to press high up the pitch, and also to use his creativity around the box, as he can create goals.

But yeah, we miss that player who can set the tempo but also then flip us onto the front foot with an incisive pass.

Pyjamarama · 02-10-2015 12:32PM

brevity wrote: »

City know that Aguero is injury prone, they have bought to remedy that. They do struggle without Aguero but they have players that keep them close to the line, Aguero comes in to get them over the line. They don't depend on him as such, he's a luxury imo.

That's how we should view Sturridge. We have players that should keep us competitive and Sturridge as a luxury.

City also have the money to hang on to their better players. Simple fact is we're way behind them in the financial pecking order now.

Also all the talk of if we had a better defensive system we'd have won the league. We played all our attack all season because it suited the players we had. If we'd played more defensive we'd have given Suarez and Danny less space in which to destroy teams. We played a more defensive system in our good run last season and tbh it was painful to watch. I'd take two years ago over that any day of the week.

brevity · 02-10-2015 12:37PM

Pyjamarama wrote: »

City also have the money to hang on to their better players. Simple fact is we're way behind them in the financial pecking order now.

Also all the talk of if we had a better defensive system we'd have won the league. We played all our attack all season because it suited the players we had. If we'd played more defensive we'd have given Suarez and Danny less space in which to destroy teams. We played a more defensive system in our good run last season and tbh it was painful to watch. I'd take two years ago over that any day of the week.

If we had a better defence we would have won the league - Defending doesn't mean boring. Suarez & Sturridge would have still scored goals, maybe not as much, but we would have had better results IMO.

Agent Coulson · 02-10-2015 12:43PM

A 59 player short list and the best player in the league is on it.
https://twitter.com/theanfieldchat/status/649852016819355648

ThunbergsAreGo · 02-10-2015 12:43PM

brevity wrote: »

If we had a better defence we would have won the league - Defending doesn't mean boring. Suarez & Sturridge would have still scored goals, maybe not as much, but we would have had better results IMO.

When did this make a difference?

We won 13 of the last 15 games or something like that, whe did the defence cost us?

brevity · 02-10-2015 12:45PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

When did this make a difference?

We won 13 of the last 15 games or something like that, whe did the defence cost us?

The Everton game springs to mind. The palace game.

Our defending was abysmal that season.

kfallon · 02-10-2015 12:46PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

When did this make a difference?

We won 13 of the last 15 games or something like that, whe did the defence cost us?

The League is not 15 games, it's 38!

Hidalgo · 02-10-2015 12:53PM

Morzadec wrote: »

Many here may have already made up their minds and are sure the end is inevitable, but I'm not sure the owners see it that way yet, or indeed perhaps a sizeable portion of the crowd.

I'm one of those who hasn't quite yet committed to the Rodgers Out brigade.

For this reason, Sunday's game has a real sense of Judgement Day about it. A loss (especially a comfortable one) could be the last straw for many and would really pile the pressure on.

Don't think it's an exaggeration to say it's one of the biggest matches of Rodgers' career.

As you say, a bad loss could be the catalyst for change

But what if it's a 1-0 loss or Sunday plays out a draw. For me that solves little and merely strings the current malaise along with still no direction or signs that maybe the end isn't nigh.

Personally I can't see him lasting beyond the end of October.

Turtyturd · 02-10-2015 12:56PM

No Mata on that list?

klose · 02-10-2015 12:58PM

Christian atsu haha aw for **** sake.

Potential Underachiever · 02-10-2015 12:58PM

The revisionism at times can be astounding in here, we've reached a point now where Rodgers instead of having credit lavished all over him for a fantastic season, is now getting blamed for not winning us the league!

brevity · 02-10-2015 01:00PM

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

The revisionism at times can be astounding in here, we've reached a point now where Rodgers instead of having credit lavished all over him for a fantastic season, is now getting blamed for not winning us the league!

If that's directed at me, I didn't say that.

ThunbergsAreGo · 02-10-2015 01:10PM

brevity wrote: »

The Everton game springs to mind. The palace game.

Our defending was abysmal that season.

Joe Allen misses a sitter in the Everton game,

We fail to score vs Southampton, only can manage one versus Hull etc.

Looking abck over the results, what a ridiculous season that was!

Lord Trollington · 02-10-2015 01:35PM

When Henderson, Benteke, Firmino and Lovren all return and if Sturridge and others stay fit.

Then I will judge Rodgers. At the moment I would like to see him continue.

Pyjamarama · 02-10-2015 01:38PM

brevity wrote: »

If we had a better defence we would have won the league - Defending doesn't mean boring. Suarez & Sturridge would have still scored goals, maybe not as much, but we would have had better results IMO.

The team that scores the most goals usually wins the league. The idea you need a great defence is a fallacy and the stats back that up. We didn't win the league that year because City were better and scored more goals. If we'd scored two more goals, one against chelsea and one against Palace) then we'd have scored the most and won. Obv thats actually a bit ludicrous and too simplistic but its not more ridic than half the stuff that gets posted on here regularly.

Hidalgo · 02-10-2015 01:39PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

When Henderson, Benteke, Firmino and Lovren all return and if Sturridge and others stay fit.

Then I will judge Rodgers. At the moment I would like to see him continue.

Based on what evidence if I may ask?

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