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Saudi Arabia will beheading the UN human rights panel.

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  • #32
    Mother Brain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mother Brain


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    I read it the same way and I still wasn't surprised - that really says all you need to about Saudi Arabia and the type of disgusting shít they routinely pull!

    They're actually planning on beheading and crucifying that poor kid. It's disgusting.


  • #33
    Martial9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Martial9


    Mother Brain wrote: »
    Long as the oil keeps flowing, and they keep buying arms off us, the west has no problem at all with this.

    The scary thing is, that if the Saud family goes then what will replace them could be an awful lot worse. The whole region is a mess and will be for at least our lifetimes.


  • #34
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Overheal wrote: »
    I almost don't need to read the thread.

    Nobody does, but isn't it nice, once in a while, for a thread that involves spluttering outrage in AH that EVERYBODY can agree on?


  • #35
    Starokan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Starokan


    Great thread title - love the beheading

    Its a joke to be honest and how anyone in the UN can think otherwise is beyond my comprehension.


  • #36
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Manach wrote: »
    My understanding is that the UN is to reflect all cultures and mores. In spite of the Cold-War freeze, this has been dominated by the individalistic rights based Western states. Now with the full flowering of allowing alternative viewpoints of how a society is to be governed- the UN which had been used as an ultimate arbitor of discovered rights based on the charter, might now be used to highlight failings based on communal standards that prioritise group mores.

    lolwut. Someone's still butthurt about Ireland abandoning Dev & McQuaid's vision for this country. :pac:


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  • #37
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Martial9 wrote: »
    UN Watch, an independent campaigning NGO, revealed Mr Trad, Saudi Arabia’s ambassador at the UN in Geneva, was elected as chair of a panel of independent experts on the UN Human Rights Council.


    As head of a five-strong group of diplomats, the influential role would give Mr Trad the power to select applicants from around the world for scores of expert roles in countries where the UN has a mandate on human rights.

    Such experts are often described as the "crown jewels" of the HRC, according to UN Watch, which has obtained official UN documents, dated 17 September, confirming the appointment.
    UN Watch executive director Hillel Neuer said the appointment, made in June but unreported until now, may have been a consolation prize for the Saudis after they withdrew their bid to head the 47-nation council following international condemnation of the kingdom’s human rights record.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/anger-after-saudi-arabia-chosen-to-head-key-un-human-rights-panel-10509716.html

    UN = joke.
    It has been that way for a long time.
    Remember how they abandoned the people in Rwanda, Srebrenica.
    Also check out how Kofi Annan's son made money.
    strelok wrote: »
    actual slaves are being used to build the 2022 world cup, i don't think anyone's going to give much of a **** about saudis on a human rights commission

    Ehh that would be a different sh**hole.

    Qatar is not Saudi Arabia.
    They do have some stuff in common though like autocratic inbred ruling elites, intolerance of minorities, reliance on foreign labour for nearly everything, funding extremist organisations, not taking in fellow Arab refugees, etc.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #38
    Nodin
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    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    lolwut. Someone's still butthurt about Ireland abandoning Dev & McQuaid's vision for this country. :pac:


    You understood that post?


    Hail to thee, O Chosen One.


  • #39
    Datallus
    Site Banned Posts: 205 ✭✭Datallus


    This is just intolerance of other cultures. Thankfully, the UN people are a more cosmopolitan bunch than the closed minded iconoclasts of this corner of the world!


  • #40
    Ellie2008
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Ellie2008


    Datallus wrote: »
    This is just intolerance of other cultures. Thankfully, the UN people are a more cosmopolitan bunch than the closed minded iconoclasts of this corner of the world!

    I assume you are trolling?


  • #41
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    very shnakey title


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  • #42
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    lol at people bemoaning the UN. Just a few months ago Ireland lowered its state flags to half mast in honor of their scumbag king who died, and hardly anyone batted an eyelid.

    Imagine that... a so called republic lowering its flags to pay respect to an absolute dictatorial monarchy.


  • #43
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Source
    Saudi Arabia protested the inclusion of gay rights in the United Nations’ new agenda for global development, saying on Sunday that it runs “counter to Islamic law.”

    Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir told a U.N. summit of world leaders that "mentioning sex in the text, to us, means exactly male and female. Mentioning family means consisting of a married man and woman," and asserted the country’s right to disregard portions of the agenda that mandate any “deviations” from it, according to the Associated Press.

    An unsurprising stance from them but given the time and all...


  • #44
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    As with so many of these states, the sooner the oil runs out and these cúnts are left to the mercy of the desert sands, the better.
    When the oil runs out, we'll either be reliant on nuclear power, or nuke each other.


  • #45
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Nodin wrote: »
    You understood that post?


    Hail to thee, O Chosen One.

    Well, going by previous form, it's unlikely he's going to come back to elaborate on it. After all, this is the guy who thinks that bringing up the abuses of the RCC is "trite" and the product of some anti-Catholic agenda.


  • #46
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    Might as well hand it to ISIS after these nuts. What type of egotistical maniacs give their own name to a country. I know FG want this state to be called the "Republic of Michael Collins" but that's different.


  • #47
    Mother Brain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 255 ✭✭Mother Brain


    What I find worse is how much the west kisses their backsides.

    Extremist islamic group called ISIS hounded and bombed over beheadings.

    Extremist islamic nation state Saudi Arabia lauded as important allies, nominated head of UN rights panel amidst beheadings.

    I mean what the actual f**k like?


  • #48
    KlausFlouride
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭KlausFlouride


    They are terrified of any sign of dissent or opposition as they know once the oil is gone, they are screwed. They've pissed off most of their neighbours, and they do not live in a good neighbourhood.


  • #49
    323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭323


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    As with so many of these states, the sooner the oil runs out and these cúnts are left to the mercy of the desert sands, the better.

    Hope your right but unfortunately, think they will have taken over Europe long before then.
    Hundreds of thousands of migrants coming from muslim north africa and the middle east from Mauritania to Syria.
    Saudi openly funding the building of hundreds of mosques to radicalise them all and future generations.
    Islam is setting up to achieve what it failed to do a thousand years ago, the take over of Europe.

    Anyone who says boo about it will be targeted by the liberals.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • #50
    Datallus
    Site Banned Posts: 205 ✭✭Datallus


    323 wrote: »

    Anyone who says boo about it will be targeted by the liberals.

    And it's all the more distasteful because the weakness of our society made us soft and ripe for conquest.


  • #51
    Martial9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Martial9


    The experts on human rights are going to give a 74 year old British man 350 lashes for the heinous crime of making and having grog in his possession. I believe the lashes are more symbolic and used to humiliate rather than inflict pain, but still. How do these headbangers head up a UN panel on human rights?
    The family of a British pensioner facing 350 lashes in Saudi Arabia are pleading with the UK Government to intervene because they fear the punishment could kill him.

    Karl Andree, 74, was sentenced to 12 months in jail by a Sharia court after police found home-made wine in the boot of his car in Jeddah last year.

    Alcohol is banned under Islamic law in Saudi Arabia where Mr Andree has lived for the past 25 years.

    Mr Andree has now served his sentence but has been held in jail for a further two months - and now faces a public flogging.

    But his children Hugh, 46, Kirsten, 45, and Simon, 33, fear the grandfather-of-seven will not survive the punishment as he suffers from asthma and is frail after surviving cancer three times.

    The oil executive's youngest son Simon told Sky News his father is being held in a windowless room.

    "He's an old, frail man," he said.

    "The lashings will kill him. He will keel over and have a heart attack.

    "We want him home and the Government needs to intervene.

    "Our mum Verity has Alzheimer's and is deteriorating and he needs to see her."

    Mr Andree's daughter Kirsten told Sky News the family feels helpless and the plea is "our last resort".

    She said: "He's holding up reasonably well considering, but to be honest, at 74 - he's survived cancer three times, he's got asthma - he's not a well man.

    "I'm amazed he's done this well and made it this far. Every day I just feel like he needs to get out of there now."

    The Foreign Office confirmed it has raised Mr Andree's case with the Saudis.

    "Our embassy staff are continuing to assist Mr Andree, including regular visits to check on his welfare, and frequent contact with his lawyer and family," a spokesman told Sky News.

    "Ministers and senior officials have raised Mr Andree's case with the Saudi Government and we are actively seeking his release as soon as possible."

    Mr Andree is being held in Jeddah's Briman Prison, which has a reputation for torture and overcrowded cells, The Sun reported.

    Last month, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn called for Mr Cameron to intervene to try to save the life of a Saudi teenager who is due to be beheaded.

    Ali Mohammed al Nimr was reportedly sentenced to death for his part in anti-government protests, including breaking allegiance to the king and rioting.

    He was 17 when he allegedly committed the crimes.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1568417/british-man-faces-350-lashes-in-saudi-arabia


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  • #52
    FURET
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    I don't support those punishments, to put it mildly. But possessing alcohol in KSA is something you just don't do. After 20+ years of living there, the man should know that.


  • #53
    Martial9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Martial9


    FURET wrote: »
    I don't support those punishments, to put it mildly. But possessing alcohol in KSA is something you just don't do. After 20+ years of living there, the man should know that.

    I agree with you, when in Rome and all that. If they want to punish him for having grog, just deport the fecker and hit him with a substantial fine. Absolutely no need to put a pensioner in jail and then to give him 350 lashes.

    That said, he is an ex oil exec so obviously has the few bob. I do not understand why he would not just relocate to a sunny EU member state. He would be nearer to his family at home, have access to very good private healthcare and be able to sip vino on the beach until the end of his days. I understand why people would hold their nose and work there for the high wages. But retire there after you've made it?


  • #54
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Martial9 wrote: »
    I agree with you, when in Rome and all that. If they want to punish him for having grog, just deport the fecker and hit him with a substantial fine. Absolutely no need to put a pensioner in jail and then to give him 350 lashes.

    That said, he is an ex oil exec so obviously has the few bob. I do not understand why he would not just relocate to a sunny EU member state. He would be nearer to his family at home, have access to very good private healthcare and be able to sip vino on the beach until the end of his days. I understand why people would hold their nose and work there for the high wages. But retire there after you've made it?
    It's more likely that he fell out of favour as SA is as corrupt as anywhere else and with the right contacts you can do whatever you like.


  • #55
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,613 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    It's more likely that he fell out of favour as SA is as corrupt as anywhere else and with the right contacts you can do whatever you like.
    How about he was caught outside a supermarket meeting someone who he was selling the wine to. So its not just a case of having the wine, but making and selling it!


  • #56
    RobertKK
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    A lot of those top officials in Saudi Arabia could do with 350 lashes of a whip before they even think of doing it to others.
    It would soon be banned.


  • #57
    kupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's more likely that he fell out of favour as SA is as corrupt as anywhere else and with the right contacts you can do whatever you like.
    smurfjed wrote: »
    How about he was caught outside a supermarket meeting someone who he was selling the wine to. So its not just a case of having the wine, but making and selling it!

    As what dolan said... he could have killed somebody driving the wrong way down the highway drunk as a skunk and still get away with it. If he had his "friends" on his side.

    He must have pizzed somebody off really bad to get into the position he is in now.
    THe wine is just an excuse.
    That is the way it works. dosnent matter if you like it or not. Thats the reality.


  • #58
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,613 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    He must have pizzed somebody off really bad to get into the position he is in now.
    Why do you say that? Could it be more a case of bad time with the death of King Abdullah and the subsequent regime change? His connections just may not have the same clout with the new regime.

    Saudi has a big problem with drugs and alcohol, so much so that in a society where both are banned, random testing is conducted by some employers. So they won't want to be seen to be soft on a producer.


  • #59
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭conorhal


    smurfjed wrote: »
    How about he was caught outside a supermarket meeting someone who he was selling the wine to. So its not just a case of having the wine, but making and selling it!

    I doubt former oil executives need to sell hooch outside supermarkets in Saudi Arabia to make ends meet.

    When I lived there in the 80's (folks teaching there) everybody in the expat community was at it, so much so that one time, my folks trundled up to the checkout with 10 cartons of grape juce, and all the paraphanalia only to have the casheer roll his eyes and mention that they'd forgotten the sugar.

    Of course this was in the 80's, the Salifists seem to have gone off the deep end a bit since then, but if you didn't do anything stupid like roaming about the streets off your head or get into a car and promptly crash it, home brewing by westerners was more or less tolerated, unless you fell foul of some little officious creep.
    As another poster pointed out, I'd suspect the bloke was shopped by some Saudi he's annoyed and the Salafists do really enjoy the opportunity to make an example of the odd westerner, just to remind them to stay in line.


  • #60
    323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭323


    Martial9 wrote: »
    The experts on human rights are going to give a 74 year old British man 350 lashes for the heinous crime of making and having grog in his possession. I believe the lashes are more symbolic and used to humiliate rather than inflict pain, but still. How do these headbangers head up a UN panel on human rights?





    Agree, he should have known better, but then know tons of folks who have lived/worked there over the years and many were brewing and making wine at home. Poor bugger just got caught.
    Also agree he should just have been deported.Maybe he pissed some one off.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2007/05/17/whipping_iran.jpg

    Absolutely nothing symbolic about flogging, it is meant to be excruciatingly painful . 35 year old Iranian, for having a couple of beers, 130 lashes. 350 for this elderly guy, probably no where near enough to kill, depends on his health, but will not be present.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



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  • #61
    kupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Why do you say that? Could it be more a case of bad time with the death of King Abdullah and the subsequent regime change? His connections just may not have the same clout with the new regime.

    Saudi has a big problem with drugs and alcohol, so much so that in a society where both are banned, random testing is conducted by some employers. So they won't want to be seen to be soft on a producer.

    Why do I say that. Cos its corruption, thats the way it works.


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