Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Agent Coulson · 27-09-2015 11:27PM

Knex. wrote: »

I would imagine the question aimed at him was probably at a personal level, such as "Do you think you're still capable to manage here", etc.

Stop making me defend Rodgers, for God sake!

So Brendan who nearly won the league two seasons ago?

Rodgers: "I am the same man who nearly won us the league, but better. If you give me the tools I’ll do the work."

Grayditch · 27-09-2015 11:28PM

Quote fine. Results bad.

Knex* · 27-09-2015 11:31PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So Brendan who nearly won the league two seasons ago?

Rodgers: "I am the same man who nearly won us the league, but better. If you give me the tools I’ll do the work."

In the context, its fine. You can't have it both ways, anyway. Wanting him out for results, but on the flip side, giving out when he takes credit for results in a different time period.

Its all or nothing.

As Grayditch said, quotes are fine. Results are bad. The latter is clouding the former here for many.

Rayne Wooney · 27-09-2015 11:31PM

Knex. wrote: »

Ah lads. Getting worked up over nothing.

If FSG have no intention of sacking him, then its far better for Liverpool that he still has confidence in himself and his methods, than if he became totally meek.

All the top managers in the game back themselves like this, especially when it gets messy. Not saying that Rodgers is a top manager, but the point still stands. If he was unsure in statements and lacking confidence, everyone would be quoting him saying he's done, defeatist language, or that its clear he has no business managing a top club, etc.

Ye're blowing this out of proportion because you're annoyed with how things are panning out. These quotes are not the issue.

He's lost the plot a little, Mourinho wasn't calling himself a special one before he won the champions league was he?

There's confidence but Rodgers crosses that line by such a distance he's closer to God complex at this stage

MD1990 · 27-09-2015 11:33PM

I think Rodgers is saying I because he is referencing about all the specualtion about his future as manager. Because if he had that sort of attitude around the players they would stop playing for him.

Knex* · 27-09-2015 11:35PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

He's lost the plot a little, Mourinho wasn't calling himself a special one before he won the champions league was he?

There's confidence but Rodgers crosses that line by such a distance he's closer to God complex at this stage

He hasn't come out and called himself the special one though, has he?

He simply restated his belief that he can win titles and used the most tangible thing he could to reinforce that statement - 2013/2014.

Nobody had an issue when he was first signed as manager when he said he believed he could win the league, did they?

There'd have been a commotion then if he lacked confidence and conviction, I don't see how that ever changes at a top club.

I still want him out, but the reaction to this is nuts.

Tipsy McSwagger · 27-09-2015 11:35PM

Is he having a pop at the owners when he says he doesn't have the right tools? Are they going to be happy that after 4 years and £300 million spent he's basically saying the squad isn't good enough?

Agent Coulson · 27-09-2015 11:35PM

Knex. wrote: »

In the context, its fine. You can't have it both ways, anyway. Wanting him out for results, but on the flip side, giving out when he takes credit for results in a different time period.

Its all or nothing.

As Grayditch said, quotes are fine. Results are bad. The latter is clouding the former here for many.

What has he actually achieved in 3 seasons as Liverpool manager?

Results suggest nothing.

Rodgers is all smoke and mirrors.

googled eyes · 27-09-2015 11:35PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UplJBQi_0_w

Knex* · 27-09-2015 11:37PM

MD1990 wrote: »

I think Rodgers is saying I because he is referencing about all the specualtion about his future as manager. Because if he had that sort of attitude around the players they would stop playing for him.

Hardly though. Not unless he shows complete incompetence in the training ground, which I doubt he does.

Top tier club managers all over the world talk like this, especially when their back is to the wall. You have to back yourself.

MD1990 · 27-09-2015 11:46PM

Knex. wrote: »

Hardly though. Not unless he shows complete incompetence in the training ground, which I doubt he does.

Top tier club managers all over the world talk like this, especially when their back is to the wall. You have to back yourself.

Most managers don't talk so much to the media all the time. Rodgers has always tried to have a very good relationship with the media & maybe he thought that would spare him getting alot of criticism when things are not going well. All he should have said as most managers would have is there is always pressure at big clubs. So many of his quotes have come back to bite & really he should learn to keep his mouth shut.

corwill · 27-09-2015 11:47PM

Knex. wrote: »

In the context, its fine. You can't have it both ways, anyway. Wanting him out for results, but on the flip side, giving out when he takes credit for results in a different time period.

Its all or nothing.

As Grayditch said, quotes are fine. Results are bad. The latter is clouding the former here for many.

But it's not all or nothing, really. If he'd come off the back of a run of half a dozen good results and performances, then he'd have earned the pop he wanted to have at the Sky ex-LFC pundits or whoever. Squeaking past Sherwood's Villa at home, having hid behind Gary Mac during the week, is not quite yet the time to don the cape of Captain Billybigballs.

27-09-2015 11:59PM

Is it tomorrow the sacking is being unannounced chaps?

corwill · 28-09-2015 12:09AM

Augeo wrote: »

Is it tomorrow the sacking is being unannounced chaps?

He's certainly talking a lot more like a guy who thinks he's going to be around for a while than he was on Friday morning.

Agent Coulson · 28-09-2015 12:12AM

What Brendan is reading at the moment the best selling self help motivational book.

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Harry Palmr · 28-09-2015 12:18AM

corwill wrote: »

He's certainly talking a lot more like a guy who thinks he's going to be around for a while than he was on Friday morning.

Its that or he is going out with a flourish (or possibly an aneurysm)

Grayditch · 28-09-2015 12:28AM

Americans like an overly confident, brash atthichood, where self reflection and second guessing yourself is a weakness.

B-Rod is pure nailing in the interviews.

punk_one82 · 28-09-2015 12:46AM

Lads I think some of you are taking those quotes a bit too seriously. He's being heavily criticised and he's responding to the critics saying he's the same manager who was in charge when we almost won the league and he can get back to that. I also don't take from the quotes that he's criticising our current group of players, more so that he's saying we lost Suarez and pretty much Sturridge for last season and now Sterling this season. Judge him for our performances not for quotes where he's defending himself as a manager. If he doesn't believe in what he's doing then we're ****ed.

K-9 · 28-09-2015 01:12AM

MD1990 wrote: »

I think Rodgers is saying I because he is referencing about all the specualtion about his future as manager. Because if he had that sort of attitude around the players they would stop playing for him.

Both Milner and Lucas have come out with encouraging quotes.

Tbh Rodgers doesn't bother me that much, Mourinho is more annoying atm but everybody knows what he is at this stage.

jebidiah · 28-09-2015 02:49AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Lads I think some of you are taking those quotes a bit too seriously. He's being heavily criticised and he's responding to the critics saying he's the same manager who was in charge when we almost won the league and he can get back to that. I also don't take from the quotes that he's criticising our current group of players, more so that he's saying we lost Suarez and pretty much Sturridge for last season and now Sterling this season. Judge him for our performances not for quotes where he's defending himself as a manager. If he doesn't believe in what he's doing then we're ****ed.

Not directed at you at all. But so many people not saying this.

And Gerrard is gone aswel. Massive psychological effect on the group, no doubt.

Luckycharms_74 · 28-09-2015 07:03AM

LiamoSail wrote: »

"Scandi's". Did you walk back through Dublin airport with a copy of the Echo under your arm and a scouse twang to your voice?

Thing that always strikes me is that those who give off about the Scandanavians going to games etc are the same that'll slate the Irish for similar once they're chatting to someone else

I wasn't giving off about anyone and the taxi driver wasn't either he just made comment when I mentioned the amount of scandi's over for the game. Taxi drivers are delighted cause between the irish and scandi's it keeps them busy in work. I couldn't give a Fcuk where ppl come from. They are all FANS, and they pay their hard earned money to go.

Regarding the term scandi's. As mentioned above its a term used quiet a lot, not just in Liverpool.
I have played lots of poker around the country and the big festivals and the amount of Scandinavians that come over is huge.

corwill · 28-09-2015 07:18AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Judge him for our performances not for quotes where he's defending himself as a manager.

I can only speak for myself, but my opinion of him is, first and foremost, based on performances, which have been unsatisfactory for some time. It's just interesting to note that, if you take Rodgers at his word, he doesn't judge himself on those same performances.

Iused2likebusts · 28-09-2015 07:41AM

Liam O wrote: »

Clyne or Darmian maybe, to suggest Coutinho is at the level of Mata is ridiculous imo. When Mata was Coutinhos age he was a standout attacking player at the European Champions. Coutinho is pretty far from there atm.

The year Chelsea finished 6th in the league which is a more realistic measure of the true level of that chelsea team. In four full seasons in England mata has league finishes of 6th , 3rd , 7th and 4th. Mata plays to the right side at utd anyway the likes of rooney, fellaini get trusted with the central role.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 08:17AM

Rodgers statement:
He is completely right to talk like that. People having a go are just annoyed he still has a job and could do well.

I wonder how much of that 300 million was spent on players he didn't want? Plus how do we know he didn't want Sturridge? More sh1t talk from the anti crowed? Same people that claim Sakho was unwanted despite new contract and captainsy last week?

As for Mata:
Mata was not wanted by Jose and isn't rated in Spain at all. Coutinho on the other hand could go to Barca or Real. Mate is/was all hype and although talented is not as good as Coutinho. Although he is a better finisher he has less pace and he is more one dimensional with his runs. Coutinhos passing is more expansive and despite his new found greed he has a good long strike.

Mata was never the player United fans claim he was. He isn't even a number 10. He is number 2 (sh1t) striker who plays deep because he isn't good enough up front. Basically the Spanish Rooney. If Spain have a fit side Mata doesn't get called up let alone play.

Clyne:
Haha give me a break. The united fella better? When? When United signed him he was better? Surely wasn't the day before. Clyne is younger faster and great going forward and defensively. Clyne is a one of the best RB's in the league (Top 3/4 anyway. Coleman is number one the last couple years)

weldoninhio · 28-09-2015 08:26AM

Mr.H wrote: »

Rodgers statement:
He is completely right to talk like that. People having a go are just annoyed he still has a job and could do well.

I wonder how much of that 300 million was spent on players he didn't want? Plus how do we know he didn't want Sturridge? More sh1t talk from the anti crowed? Same people that claim Sakho was unwanted despite new contract and captainsy last week?

As for Mata:
Mata was not wanted by Jose and isn't rated in Spain at all. Coutinho on the other hand could go to Barca or Real. Mate is/was all hype and although talented is not as good as Coutinho. Although he is a better finisher he has less pace and he is more one dimensional with his runs. Coutinhos passing is more expansive and despite his new found greed he has a good long strike.

Mata was never the player United fans claim he was. He isn't even a number 10. He is number 2 (sh1t) striker who plays deep because he isn't good enough up front. Basically the Spanish Rooney. If Spain have a fit side Mata doesn't get called up let alone play.

Clyne:
Haha give me a break. The united fella better? When? When United signed him he was better? Surely wasn't the day before. Clyne is younger faster and great going forward and defensively. Clyne is a one of the best RB's in the league (Top 3/4 anyway. Coleman is number one the last couple years)

Going by your first sentence, Coutinho wasn't wanted by a poor Inter side. The most one eyed argument I've seen on here. Laughable. They are 2 different players. Both are class on their day, with Mata being more consistent, but Courinho has a few years to catch up.

Jesus Wept · 28-09-2015 08:39AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So Brendan who nearly won the league two seasons ago?

Rodgers: "I am the same man who nearly won us the league, but better. If you give me the tools I’ll do the work."

Brendan F.C

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 08:40AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Going by your first sentence, Coutinho wasn't wanted by a poor Inter side. The most one eyed argument I've seen on here. Laughable. They are 2 different players. Both are class on their day, with Mata being more consistent, but Courinho has a few years to catch up.

What are you on about different players??? They are both tought of as "creative number 10's!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are not talking a target striker and a fox in the box here. We are talking pure creative talents. On that basis Coutinho is far the better player.

Coutinho was sold from Inter as they were still feeling the financial effects of Jose's plight on the team by having a lot of OLD over paid players on the books. Since he was 20 and not at his potential they had no choice but to sell. They had a very small squad the season he left.

As for consistency...................... You have seen Mata play yea?

NukaCola · 28-09-2015 08:42AM

BR found his voice again I see. Where was all this after the Carlisle game?

Nothing to get upset about if we are being honest. I find it funny though that after a brutal result you send out Gary Mc and after a good one you cant get him to shut up.

Mr.H · 28-09-2015 08:43AM

Je suis Mario wrote: »

Brendan F.C

Considering people were giving Suarez sole credit for it, I say its fair game for him to make that claim

weldoninhio · 28-09-2015 08:44AM

Mr.H wrote: »

What are you on about different players??? They are both tought of as "creative number 10's!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are not talking a target striker and a fox in the box here. We are talking pure creative talents. On that basis Coutinho is far the better player.

Coutinho was sold from Inter as they were still feeling the financial effects of Jose's plight on the team by having a lot of OLD over paid players on the books. Since he was 20 and not at his potential they had no choice but to sell. They had a very small squad the season he left.

As for consistency...................... You have seen Mata play yea?

Mata is more a between the lines player, dropping between midfield and forward, putting in through balls or 1/2s. Coutinho is more a get the ball and drive forward to pick a pass or shoot. If you can't see the difference I can't help you

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