Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Yes I am mistaken it should have read Clyne better than Darmian

Full back is the least important position on the pitch, you can win trophies with a semi competent full back, I think Clyne is good on occasion but is mostly okay-ish. He won't need to be replaced but isn't going to set the world alight, Darmian looks like he will remain a level above and possibly become world class

Ha! Utter bollocks. Based on the fact that he plays with us, he has a better chance of becoming world class - "looks like he will remain a level above". On what basis have you rated Darmian above Clyne and on what basis do you suppose he will remain there beyond the small sample size of games you've seen him play for United?
Unless of course you'd been following him at Torino as well?

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Darmian looks like he will remain a level above and possibly become world class

Remain a level above? He's not a level above now and I see nothing to suggest he will be. He's turning 26 and looks pretty ordinary/decent.

World class? Where are you seeing this?

Right now, at a year and a half younger Clyne is easily on par, and I think is better, both at going forward and in defence, Darmian is close but I've seen nothing that suggests either would be "World class" anyway if we are being honest.

WTF is wrong with people believing one player is better than another, it's their f*cking opinion. Clyne or Darmian?? Couthino or Mata?? not too much between these players so its all subjective. It's not like comparing NGog to Van Nistelrooy.
God dammit this f*cking thread would drive you crazy at times.

AidySevenfold wrote: »

Mata has 4 years on Coutinho. It's a matter of time before he surpasses it.

Mata was Coutinho's age when he won the CL, it was a mistake coming to United in hindsight because the collapse has set his career back. Playing in transitional teams under different managers with different philosophies just before his peak years has stalled him.

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Mata was Chelsea player of the year the years they won CL and Europa afaik, listen you are wrong. Coutinho is talented but he's not at Mata's level, and it remains to be seen if he can get there let alone surpass it

You'd want to be mental to think anything otherwise to be honest.

Mata is just so much more clinical, both with his final ball and his finishing.

You could argue elements of Coutinho's game are better - strength on the ball, pace, dribbling, work rate or what have you, but the most important thing is what those kinds of players do with the final ball or the finish and Mata is streets ahead on that front, as was evidenced by Coutinho's recent atrocious efforts on goal and how Mata basically single-handedly made **** of us last year against Utd.

Mata's not perfect and he's a liability in some senses that has to be covered for, but his output is very very good.

I think Coutinho would appear to have more talent and he could definitely surpass what Mata has done on an individual basis but the notion that he's the finished article, that he's better than Mata when there's very simple and quantifiable reasons why that isn't the case, and we're about to lose him to Barca for £50m seems daft to me when you compare the talent there that would keep his arse firmly on the bench.

K-9 wrote: »

Availability kind of ruins the Sturridge point, which was what started the whole size comparing thing though.

Moreno has been quite good for us so far this season, still a bit dodgy at the back but very impressive attacking wise. Now, if we could only exploit and capitalise on it.

I can't remember him really putting a foot wrong yet this season. He hasn't been tested the way we know would cause him problems.

It's all about horses for courses really - Moreno suits us in this system on both attack, because he's basically a winger, and in defence, because he's a whippet and has a glorious sliding tackle on him (there was one yesterday that caused me to make involuntary squealing sounds).

Funnily enough, I think Clyne has shone less in this role, despite probably being the better player.

However, having Lucas, Clyne, Sakho and Skrtel as our "back 4" is what's freeing Can and Moreno to push on so much.
You can't really attack with 6 defenders on the pitch, so we only use them that way when we're defending.

Gbear wrote: »

You'd want to be mental to think anything otherwise to be honest.

Mata is just so much more clinical, both with his final ball and his finishing.

You could argue elements of Coutinho's game are better - strength on the ball, pace, dribbling, work rate or what have you, but the most important thing is what those kinds of players do with the final ball or the finish and Mata is streets ahead on that front, as was evidenced by Coutinho's recent atrocious efforts on goal and how Mata basically single-handedly made **** of us last year against Utd.

Mata's not perfect and he's a liability in some senses that has to be covered for, but his output is very very good.

I think Coutinho would appear to have more talent and he could definitely surpass what Mata has done on an individual basis but the notion that he's the finished article, that he's better than Mata when there's very simple and quantifiable reasons why that isn't the case, and we're about to lose him to Barca for £50m seems daft to me when you compare the talent there that would keep his arse firmly on the bench.

You have not been watching Barca then. Very very thin squad . Iniesta has to be rotated & Rakitic is off form. Coutinho would get lots of games & I think he would get in to there 11. Suarez & Neymar both pretty much said they want him at Barca.

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

At least 8 attempts against Carlisle ended up in the kop/Anfield Rd end.

Well if you exclude those 8 attempts he didn't miss any.

But the big question lads is "who's better Mighty Red of Fred the Red"