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DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread
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Well done on the personal milestone A.as my watched beeped a mile 20 the two of us let out a roar throwing the arms up in the air, much to the curiosity of people around us but I didn't care.
I remember feeling exactly the same when training for my first marathon. I went out on a horrible Thursday evening for my first 20 miler. It was a dark, wet & cold night and I got soaked to the skin, but completing it convinced me there was no way I wouldn't see out the full 26.2m on the day and I also threw my arms aloft at the time when I finished. On the night that was in it though, I don't think anyone was there to see it
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Hi folks first ever 20 mile lsr done today along canal clonsilla to maynooth stretch. Wore my dcm 2015 race gear on trial run, brought one gel 750 ml of water and stuck on a dose of insect repellent. off i went with the dog at 9.30ish.
Everything was going great until 7 or 8 mile mark past aqua-duct. Saw a guy stopped up ahead checking his phone with a husky on a lead. i tightened up my dog and upped pace to pass quickly. As i passed the husky growled and lunged at me and my dog. Next thing i knew I was face down on gravel path cursing like a trooper. Got badly cut up. Fair bit of blood on knees elbows and hands. Thought DCM 2015 Dream was over, Eastern European Guy asked me if I was ok and said his dog has done this before to runners??
:eek:.
I had to use some of my precious drinking water to wash some blood off. Didn,t look too deep so i decided to continue [Because I am a marathon runner ] lol.
Anyway was a bit in shock for next few miles. Legs felt fine, passed a few running clubs doing lsr s along route. Felt tired miles 11 to 15 but then forced myself to concentrate and got back on track. Hip flexor is behaving so far. See splits below
mile 1 10.02
mile 2 9.16
mile 3 9.22
mile 4 9.27
mile 5 9.11
mile 6 9.38
mile 7 10.01 [ dog attack/fiasco]
mile 8 09.07
mile 9 09.33
mile 10 9.45 [energy gel]
mile 11 10.15
mile 12 10.01
mile 13 09.22
mile 14 09.45
mile 15 09.46
mile 16 09.38
mile 17 10.01 [ let dog in for a swim]
mile 18 09.36
mile 19 10.02
mile 20 09.170 -
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Well done on the personal milestone A.
I remember feeling exactly the same when training for my first marathon. I went out on a horrible Thursday evening for my first 20 miler. It was a dark, wet & cold night and I got soaked to the skin, but completing it convinced me there was no way I wouldn't see out the full 26.2m on the day and I also threw my arms aloft at the time when I finished. On the night that was in it though, I don't think anyone was there to see it
Probably better !! we got some strange looks but I didn't care 0 -
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Hi Phoole, you have a special reason for doing this in 2015 (other thread
) and you've had good reasons for doing it 'properly' next year put to you and given good enough reasons for getting through it this year. It's up to you which is more important.
If this is the year for DCM, it sounds like you are training/running close to your threshold (lactic build up). This pace should be reserved for a small percentage of your mileage during LT (lactic threshold runs) and tempo runs. So slow right down, this will get you over the line - in training and on the day.
If you decide on a walk/run strategy (and I think there are a few contemplating this strategy), plan it out beforehand.
I'm guessing your 35k reference is to on the day? I had to walk a couple of times after this point on the day last year and it wasn't pretty. Try and plan it so you your walking breaks are unforced. Much more civilised!
If you plan to run it, again, slow down. And slow right down. What would you be thinking of, 5 hours? Stay at the back of the 5 hour pacing group and assess along the way. It's a big thing you're contemplating, more than just the emotion of the day so take your time and make sure the decision is right for you. Best of luck! And remember promises can be postponed......
Thanks so much Dubgal, and so nice of you to remember why I'm doing it! I'm definitely doing it this year, even if I have to drag my butt around it I'm looking at sub 4:30 which I think is manageable. I did 27.6km on Friday in 2:40 but by the sounds of it I need to slow my training pace right down. So I will take your advice on board. Slow down my pace which will help me last a lot longer. I definitely think unforced walk breaks are the way to go rather than the ugly forced walks towards the end. I'm doing the Athlone 3/4 next week and will put this new advice in to action. Thanks again 0 -
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I feel like such a fraud. My black toenail from the sprint triathlon I did in April fell off last week.
How do I get one of them black toe-nails? I don't feel part of the club without one! All I have are bloodied socks when cutting the nails left a sharp edge, which then relentlessly drilled into the other toe. Is that good enough? 0 -
Yikes! I just had a marathon catch up on this thread! Lots to catch up on and wowsers lots of stuff going on! Dubgal I'm glad you're eye is ok! Whoopsa, I hope the aqua jog goes well and you're back on the road in no time. Really keeping my fingers crossed for you!More great lsr reports and thanks to everyone who took the time to write!
As we speak, TFGR is probably ending an epic 18 miles. Hope the throat has calmed down for you! Looking forward to hearing all about it!
Epic indeed! Forgive me, Dubgal for I have sinned. I ran parts of my LSR too fast. :eek: But...but...I also ran parts of it too slow!
I can explain though!
Ok, so the morning went as usual. Up at 6.10 to make breakfast, eat and drink some water then back to bed for more rest. I don't always go back to sleep but even just laying there with the eyes closed is nice. It helps to have a warm, furry, purring cat who likes to cuddle in the wee sma's.
Ahem. Anyway, up again at 8am to get ready for the run, out the door at 8.30.
This run could have been scuppered by so many factors; I am actually shocked I did what I did!
1. Sore throat; still lingering but not bad just annoying.
2. Aunt Flo arrived, she's a real b...h to run with.
3. My personal demon Garmin wasn't charged so I had to run naked :eek:! Nerve wracking as it was my first time to run 18 miles!
4. The weather. Not ideal for running in! :rolleyes:
Anyway. Yeah the Garmin fiasco didn't affect me too much...or so I thought :rolleyes:. I was able to track the run on my phone app but since that was tucked into my belt pouch it wasn't useful 'on the go' information. I ran my usual route and by the time I got into the Phoenix Park I realised I didn't really care. I was enjoying myself, by golly I was enjoying the run and the peace of the morning and the animal sounds coming from the zoo. All was well in my world!
That feeling lasted throughout the run. I don't know what happened. In spite of all the factors that could have ruined the run, I was just really enjoying myself. My thoughts drifted, I daydreamed a lot bit and nothing negative popped up which is an achievement in itself!
Anyway, there were times when I thought maybe I was going a little too fast but then I thought no, I'm not struggling here, I'm breathing ok and (cue talking to myself out loud ok I admit I starting singing to myself) able to speak a full sentence. And it's not something I usually do. Run too fast I mean. I am usually on pace or slower than pace so to believe I was too fast was just not something I thought possible.
Looking back I realise I should have followed my instinct and slowed down. My run is probably the most inconsistent run in the history of my running. It's all over the freakin' place. :mad: I think if I had slowed down when I first thought I was going too fast I would have had a smoother more consistent run.
I guess there's nothing I can do about it now.
Ok. Well, once I got out of the park and into Castleknock I was feeling really really good (bad sign right!) and once I got back into Phoenix Park on Knockmaroon Road I took a gel, walked for a 100m or so (as practice for walking the marathon water stations (presuming they still have water for the slow pokes! - This is a legitimate concern! I've been in a race before where they ran out of water!))
Again, felt really good on Upper Glen Road, though the sun was beating down so I did slow down here to compensate. I walked another couple 100m here on the S-bends because even without the Garmin, I had my planned route memorized so I knew I still had a long way to go!
On the North Road I felt my pace finally suffer. I took another gel right at the zoo (too soon, I know! I thought I had run further than I had!), again at a walk and then starting running again. I got as far as the visitors centre and then stopped to stretch for a few minutes. That helped the legs, I perked up and got a move on, finishing the North Road, followed by a quick jaunt up to the Castleknock Gates then walk/run back down to Ordnance Survey Road. Turned down OSR - no problems here. As I turned onto Furze Road I saw two lads at a car stretching and they had bottles of water and I was so tempted to ask them for some! I was nearing the end of my 500mL bottle. I didn't ask though and carried on.
Passed a little shrine on Furze Road, LED candles flickering and flowers and flags laying next to a tree.
Back onto Chesterfield Avenue and a long stretch down to Lord's Walk, which I luckily remembered at the last minute I needed to run to make up the miles! No problems here, I was feeling really good and really a little amazed that I had come so far already and was still on track to go further.
So the final couple of miles were uneventful. At 16.5 miles I was back in town and I had to run the Watling St Bridge to Heuston quay to make up the last mile. At 17.45 miles (the only time I actually took out my phone to check my mileage) I slowed to a brisk walk to cool down. I was walking along the Liffey, tired and hot (my gosh I was hot!) and wished I could go for a swim!
Got home, stretched, had my protein shake and a flapjack.
I don't feel hungry though. I had to force myself to eat the flapjack because I knew not eating would be worse. I don't feel nauseated just...not hungry. Weird considering the last time I ate was 6.30am!
So with half mile warm up and half mile cool down, the 18 miles took 4:25:30. I slowed to a walk for about a half mile all told during the run, if that.
Splits (cringe!)
1: 15:10 (warm up)
2: 14:02
3: 14:13
4: 13:02 :eek:
5: 15:21
6: 15:37 (at 5.6miles)
7: 14:28 (walk/gel at end of the mile)
8: 13:16
9: 13:17
10: 13:39 (walked a bit on Wellington Road)
11: 15:03 (walk/gel at beginning of the mile - too soon, I know!)
12: 14:44 (stopped to stretch)
13: 15:24 (walked a little bit here too)
14: 15:06
15: 15:18
16: 15:13
17: 14:54
18: 16:18 (cool down)
Ok guys, I know my pace was all over the place so no need to point that out. I know what I did was wrong and if I had only paid attention to myself I would have had a more consistent run. I just am NOT used to thinking I run too fast! And I FELT GOOD throughout my run! I really enjoyed it, the time on my feet and just knowing how far I was going. I got a lot of smiles and thumbs up and a few good mornings from other runners...maybe they read my blog post about how out of place I feel out there sometimes?! :pac: All in all, bad splits included, I still enjoyed the run.
I don't really know what else to say. I'm cringing because I just know how some people are going to react to this :rolleyes: . But I'm sharing because it's a learning process and I trust that everyone will understand that I get it, I ran parts too fast and that was not good (as evidenced by the latter miles!). I'm sharing the good/bad/ugly about today's run because my fellow novices deserve my honesty.
But, anyway I did it. I got 18 miles into the legs and I feel good to get to say that! Next week will be another 18 miles before taper time! :eek:
PS. aka Edit: Reading all your LSR reports is one of the best parts of my Sunday afternoons 0 -
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nop, oirishfruitie, diego b, NTF&PHone, feenaM and denis b, sounds like a great run and well done that duffer and daughter! I just love the running community, must be all the literal miles run because every runner I know is prepared to go that extra metaphorical mile for other runners.
Running in a pack is a skill in itself. Usually everybody has to compromise slightly but should always be weighted in favour of the slower runners on runs such as these, unless pre-arranged.
I see you had a pre-marathon early experience of fatigue and form loss diego b but looks as if you recovered well, well done! Sounds like the tips you got were spot on.... I was finding it a little bit hard for a bit to keep up with nop98, oirishfruitie & neilthefunkeone.
Thank you DG - and once again thanks to my fellow runners and duffer & daughter.
Diego, in hindsight, I have to hold up my hand because I think I pushed the pace a little too much during the run. The first couple of miles cruised by and I think we were all comfortable - but after we met with the other three, we pushed the pace a little too much. In fairness to denis, he told us to slow down a few times.
Since training runs rarely venture in the 16+M territory, I always feel as if I have to prove I can run these final miles.
That said, we have the 20M in the bag, and I hope the gentle 10k went well today.
As I posted already, I was knackered afterwards (also an indication having pushed it too hard), but I do feel fine after a good night sleep and some easy recovery miles this morning.
Great LSR reports, well done everybody! is it too early to start counting down to the big day? 0 -
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How do I get one of them black toe-nails? I don't feel part of the club without one! All I have are bloodied socks when cutting the nails left a sharp edge, which then relentlessly drilled into the other toe. Is that good enough?
I now have what's left of one black toe nail on one foot and two black toe nails on the other. Working my way towards 10.
Don't feel too bad after the Kilomarathon yesterday. Stopped just after it and spent around 15 mins stretching before getting in the car. Really pays off.0 -
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Oh my God just see the length of my post I'm so sorry, was rambling a bit !!
Brilliant post, don't apologise, and congrats on that milestone!!! Funny to think Berlin was a year ago when you wouldn't admit you were catching the bug! and you were out doing 20 miles while the Berlin marathon was going on this morning 0 -
Brilliant post, don't apologise, and congrats on that milestone!!! Funny to think Berlin was a year ago when you wouldn't admit you were catching the bug! and you were out doing 20 miles while the Berlin marathon was going on this morning
I know what happened me Anna, are you sure you didn't put something in my drink in Berlin !!! I was genuinely adamant at the time I would never do a marathon !! Think me an R did say after a few vinos that night that we would do one and I just hear she is doing Berlin with Belcarra today. Let me know how she gets on as I dont know her name to track her.0 -
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10K race aka 6.2 mile recovery run done in Naas today! Got on grand enough, was feeling fine this morning but after driving back up to Naas I was a bit stiff. Did a gentle warm up for the race and after two miles all stiffness was gone really.
Well done Diego - glad the legs were fine same here after some slooooow recovery stuff.
What was ironic yesterday during the Novices run, I was chatting to Feena about potential targets and she had some great advice what to aim for, thanks for the nice chat, Feena - no doubt you'll nail your targets as you were running very comfortably for your first 20 miler!
A few minutes later I almost broke my neck tripping over a tree-root on the North Circular Road (note to self: don't run that bit on the footpath on the day itself). Thankfully no harm done, but my target remains: get to the start-line in one piece. Everything else is a bonus.0 -
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Hi frash, another off-planner :rolleyes: No need really, trust in the plan. You have 20 next week and this plan has been structured with that in mind. Anyway, take it easy easy this week, make sure you're fresh for saturday's 20. Make sure you have a pace plan for this. If you slowed the last three yesterday, make sure your pace plan for next saturday accommodates this i.e., slow it all down and keep the overall pace even, slowest miles ideally will be at the start of your run as you ease into it with baby steps.
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Thanks for that.
This week is a bit crammed as I only have a four day week (flying out on Thursday for a wedding) if you remember.
Plan is
Sunday rest
Monday 8
Tuesday 4
Wednesday 5
Thursday 20
All at a very slow pace.
Sound ok?
Would be back for 5 miles on the Monday.0 -
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