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Schoolboy with '10-a-day habit' has e-cigarette confiscated by teachers

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  • #32
    Jayop
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    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Do many teens still actually smoke though? As a matter of interest?

    There was about 30 18 y/o's out the back of my local one night in August and almost every single one of them was smoking.


  • #33
    starling
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    Trond wrote: »
    http://www.techtimes.com/articles/86104/20150919/man-seriously-injured-after-e-cigarette-explodes-in-his-face.htm

    Sounds horrific tbf. Faulty batteries are probably the cause. Pity it doesn't mention what type it was or a brand name.

    It can happen with any battery powered device really.

    Exactly, which is why it pisses me off when people hear the word "ecigarette" and immediately derail any conversation with their scary stories. They're always light on detail and big on catastrophising. Like, oh, electricity is dangerous? Well thank god you told me.


  • #34
    darkpagandeath
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    Who is smoking ? And what is meant by 10 a day ? Do they mean the catomizers ?


  • #35
    starling
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    That article is exactly what I'm talking about.
    According to the U.S. Fire Administration, at least 25 incidents of injuries and fires caused by e-cigarettes were reported from 2009 to 2014. No deaths were recorded, though a few incidents resulted in serious injuries."

    25 injuries and/or fires caused by ecigarettes in five years. And how many idiots burned their houses down with candles in that timespan?

    "Us getting the word out prevents e-cigarettes from injuring another person," Lauria's father said, something he added would be a good thing to do at this time.

    Yeah. Scare stories, no detail about what kind of ecigarette or battery this kid was using, or where he got it from, just "OMG did someone mention ecigarettes?ecigarettes are bad!!!1!" Drives me insane.


  • #36
    Trond
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    starling wrote: »
    Exactly, which is why it pisses me off when people hear the word "ecigarette" and immediately derail any conversation with their scary stories. They're always light on detail and big on catastrophising. Like, oh, electricity is dangerous? Well thank god you told me.

    If you google mobile phone exploding you'll find far more stories than ecigs but for whatever reason the press really seem to love tales where an ecig nearly burnt down the whole house etc.

    The majority of the time its human error as well (using the wrong charger is by far the most common).


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  • #37
    Medusa22
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    starling wrote: »
    Wait, where did you get that from, it doesn't say in the article what age he was when he started smoking :confused:




    Primary school? He's 14. I hear terrible things about the UK education standards but I'm pretty sure it's not THAT bad.

    Sorry, that's my fault, I didn't read it properly and thought it said 'ten year old' instead of '10-a-day'.


  • #38
    asherbassad
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    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Did you hear about the man in the U.S. Last week, he got his face destroyed from an exploding e cig it blew a hole in the roof of his mouth. As for letting him smoke it on the playground, what will they want to be left do then? You have to draw the line somewhere;)

    Is that the same guy who got shot in the balls and then the bullet flew another mile, lodged in a woman's vagina and got her pregnant? That guy?


  • #39
    starling
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    Trond wrote: »
    If you google mobile phone exploding you'll find far more stories than ecigs but for whatever reason the press really seem to love tales where an ecig nearly burnt down the whole house etc.

    The majority of the time its human error as well (using the wrong charger is by far the most common).

    Yep. The last one I remember was the video of the ecig exploding in a bar. Scary ecig story: barman plugs in his pen-style battery behind the bar while he's working, battery explodes, innocent barmaid narrowly escapes being tragically scarred for life by greedy Chinese manufacturers of dodgy new-fangled fad. Moral of the story, as usual: ecigs are dangerous!

    Took 4 articles before I found the details nobody thought were important enough to mention: barman plugged ecig battery into his iPhone charger. Thought it would be okay because it was a USB connection.
    Moral of the story: some barmen are idiots.


  • #40
    starling
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    Medusa22 wrote: »
    Sorry, that's my fault, I didn't read it properly and thought it said 'ten year old' instead of '10-a-day'.

    Ahhhh that explains the primary school part :P


  • #41
    starling
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Actually quite a few parents do not even know when their children have picked up habits of this sort. Even at the best of times - let alone at times when - as the article states - they are in a period of life up-heaving grief such as losing the father/husband to death.



    Would it have helped? :) Aside from her ridiculous expectation to have the school change its smoking policy for one child - it appears from what little has been written in the thread so far that she has been quite supportive in guiding him through methods of breaking an addiction.

    Yeah it took my parents years to find out I was smoking. YEARS. And no, nothing they said or did made a difference. Maybe if they'd never smoked, I might not have started, but I know smokers whose parents didn't smoke.


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  • #42
    Jayop
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    starling wrote: »
    That article is exactly what I'm talking about.



    25 injuries and/or fires caused by ecigarettes in five years. And how many idiots burned their houses down with candles in that timespan?




    Yeah. Scare stories, no detail about what kind of ecigarette or battery this kid was using, or where he got it from, just "OMG did someone mention ecigarettes?ecigarettes are bad!!!1!" Drives me insane.

    More people probably got burnt by calculators going on fire in that same period. If there was only 25 in 5 years in the US then they really are safer than I would have expected.


  • #43
    One eyed Jack
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah yes there was an article on something like somewhere recently I am sure :)

    Actually quite a few parents do not even know when their children have picked up habits of this sort. Even at the best of times - let alone at times when - as the article states - they are in a period of life up-heaving grief such as losing the father/husband to death.


    At 14 years of age, the child understands the health implications of smoking, and the parent certainly knows the health implications of smoking.

    Deleted User wrote: »
    Aside from her ridiculous expectation to have the school change its smoking policy for one child - it appears from what little has been written in the thread so far that she has been quite supportive in guiding him through methods of breaking an addiction.


    But that's just it - the school already has a smoking cessation programme. Supporting her child would have first of all been to take the cigarettes from him, not allow him to smoke an electronic cigarette (no matter who bought it for him!), which simply feeds the addiction to nicotine, but does nothing to break the habit. This is a 14 year old child we're talking about. If it were an adult, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.


  • #44
    starling
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    At 14 years of age, the child understands the health implications of smoking, and the parent certainly knows the health implications of smoking.

    to be fair, everyone knows the health implications of smoking, but that doesn't mean everyone makes the best choices for their health. Particularly children.

    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    But that's just it - the school already has a smoking cessation programme. Supporting her child would have first of all been to take the cigarettes from him, not allow him to smoke an electronic cigarette (no matter who bought it for him!), which simply feeds the addiction to nicotine, but does nothing to break the habit. This is a 14 year old child we're talking about. If it were an adult, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

    In fairness to the mother she says they've already tried other methods including patches, and if I were her I would sooner let him use an ecig than have nicotine patches. Both statistics and his own experience indicate that the ecig is a better choice for him than patches. I'm not even sure why we are having this conversation I thought it was just more "let's bash a parent" time. She's not wrong to let him have an ecig, just wrong to be trying to insist on him being allowed to use it at school.


  • #45
    darkpagandeath
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    At 14 years of age, the child understands the health implications of smoking, and the parent certainly knows the health implications of smoking.





    But that's just it - the school already has a smoking cessation programme. Supporting her child would have first of all been to take the cigarettes from him, not allow him to smoke an electronic cigarette (no matter who bought it for him!), which simply feeds the addiction to nicotine, but does nothing to break the habit. This is a 14 year old child we're talking about. If it were an adult, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

    Who is smoking ?


  • #46
    starling
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Who is smoking ?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97152920&postcount=1


  • #47
    darkpagandeath
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    starling wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97152920&postcount=1

    Yeah the Kid used to smoke. Now is not.


  • #48
    One eyed Jack
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    starling wrote: »
    to be fair, everyone knows the health implications of smoking, but that doesn't mean everyone makes the best choices for their health. Particularly children.


    That's what a parent or guardian is for surely? This is why I can't get my head around the mother complaining about the school policy, and complaining that the school intervened without her consent? She knows that the school policy doesn't allow smoking, and yet she takes issue with the school, rather than her son, and surely enrolling her son in the school cessation programme and allowing them to help her son would be a better alternative to enabling him to smoke an ecigarette?

    In fairness to the mother she says they've already tried other methods including patches, and if I were her I would sooner let him use an ecig than have nicotine patches. Both statistics and his own experience indicate that the ecig is a better choice for him than patches. I'm not even sure why we are having this conversation I thought it was just more "let's bash a parent" time. She's not wrong to let him have an ecig, just wrong to be trying to insist on him being allowed to use it at school.


    She is misguided IMO to allow her 14 year old child to smoke an ecigarette, she's also misguided to complain that her son isn't allowed contravene school policy regarding smoking, and she is also misguided in complaining that the school intervened without her consent, instead of enrolling him in the school smoking cessation programme.

    I didn't start this thread with the intention of 'parent bashing', I started it with the intent of wondering what the hell is going on there, and what were posters opinions on ecigarettes themselves, and whether or not they would allow their child to smoke an ecigarette, or smoke at all, or what way would be the best way to tackle the issue of children smoking.

    I don't know if I'd go as far as this guy though if I caught my child smoking :D

    THE CRIME MAY be a classic teenage misdemeanour, but this punishment is decidedly of the 21st century.

    An Irish dad caught his 15-year-old son smoking last week for the SECOND time, and decided drastic action needed to be taken.

    So he confiscated the teenager’s undoubtedly cherished iPhone – then put it up on DoneDeal. And for what price? A measly €1.

    "Grounding him did not do the trick so hopefully this teaches him."

    The iPhone does not appear to have found a buyer yet, so perhaps we can assume that Dad just intended to teach a very harsh lesson. *clutches iPhone tightly*


    Source: This Irish dad caught his son smoking and issued the harshest punishment ever


  • #49
    starling
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    That's what a parent or guardian is for surely? This is why I can't get my head around the mother complaining about the school policy, and complaining that the school intervened without her consent? She knows that the school policy doesn't allow smoking, and yet she takes issue with the school, rather than her son, and surely enrolling her son in the school cessation programme and allowing them to help her son would be a better alternative to enabling him to smoke an ecigarette?





    She is misguided IMO to allow her 14 year old child to smoke an ecigarette, she's also misguided to complain that her son isn't allowed contravene school policy regarding smoking, and she is also misguided in complaining that the school intervened without her consent, instead of enrolling him in the school smoking cessation programme.

    I didn't start this thread with the intention of 'parent bashing', I started it with the intent of wondering what the hell is going on there, and what were posters opinions on ecigarettes themselves, and whether or not they would allow their child to smoke an ecigarette, or smoke at all, or what way would be the best way to tackle the issue of children smoking.

    I don't know if I'd go as far as this guy though if I caught my child smoking :D





    Source: This Irish dad caught his son smoking and issued the harshest punishment ever

    What kind of idiot buys an iPhone for a 15 year old? Sure the Internet is full of sex predators and scammers. :pac:

    Oh the topic, almost forgot lol: the situation is that the kid started smoking and is now a nicotine addict, so she's doing what she can to try to keep him off tobacco. It's not like she had a non smoking kid and just gave him an ecigarette. That would be misguided.

    Could he have tried harder to stop smoking without the ecigarette? Possibly. He hasn't been smoking that long as other posters pointed out. Is she maybe being a bit overindulgent when she says he "was in a terrible state because he needed nicotine"? Possibly. But we can't really know that, we don't know him or her. She's doing her best on the stop-my-kid-from-killing-himself-with tobacco front. She's being ridiculous on the school front though.


  • #50
    starling
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    It's occurred to me that you keep talking about this "idiot" "allowing" her son to smoke ... he didn't ask her permission to smoke. He did that all by himself. She doesn't "allow" him to smoke because he doesn't smoke anymore. He vapes. She allows him to vape in order to stop him from smoking. It's only just occurred to me that you might be thinking of Vaping as "smoking." Apologies if I'm taking you up wrong, but it's important to be clear that Vaping is not smoking.

    He says he wants to get off nicotine and i hope he is successful in his efforts, but we should note that nicotine alone is about as harmful as caffeine and yet there are people everywhere who allow their children to drink coffee and/or energy drinks. Personally I wouldn't allow a child of mine to be doing that, but nobody's going around calling them idiots. People actually look at me funny if I suggest that maybe children shouldn't be drinking caffeine. This kind of uninformed hysteria about ecigarettes really needs to stop.


  • #51
    Reiver
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    starling wrote: »
    It's occurred to me that you keep talking about this "idiot" "allowing" her son to smoke ... he didn't ask her permission to smoke. He did that all by himself. She doesn't "allow" him to smoke because he doesn't smoke anymore. He vapes. She allows him to vape in order to stop him from smoking. It's only just occurred to me that you might be thinking of Vaping as "smoking." Apologies if I'm taking you up wrong, but it's important to be clear that Vaping is not smoking.

    He says he wants to get off nicotine and i hope he is successful in his efforts, but we should note that nicotine alone is about as harmful as caffeine and yet there are people everywhere who allow their children to drink coffee and/or energy drinks. Personally I wouldn't allow a child of mine to be doing that, but nobody's going around calling them idiots. People actually look at me funny if I suggest that maybe children shouldn't be drinking caffeine. This kind of uninformed hysteria about ecigarettes really needs to stop.

    I hate all those idiotic parents who let kids touch meat when we all know the vegan lifestyle is the way forward.

    Seriously though, that kid just looks like a complete prat now. She's just leaving him open for bullying if he's using those ecigarette things. It's like a baby with a dummy. I couldn't have that on my conscience.


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  • #52
    One eyed Jack
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    starling wrote: »
    It's occurred to me that you keep talking about this "idiot" "allowing" her son to smoke ... he didn't ask her permission to smoke. He did that all by himself. She doesn't "allow" him to smoke because he doesn't smoke anymore. He vapes. She allows him to vape in order to stop him from smoking. It's only just occurred to me that you might be thinking of Vaping as "smoking." Apologies if I'm taking you up wrong, but it's important to be clear that Vaping is not smoking.

    He says he wants to get off nicotine and i hope he is successful in his efforts, but we should note that nicotine alone is about as harmful as caffeine and yet there are people everywhere who allow their children to drink coffee and/or energy drinks. Personally I wouldn't allow a child of mine to be doing that, but nobody's going around calling them idiots. People actually look at me funny if I suggest that maybe children shouldn't be drinking caffeine. This kind of uninformed hysteria about ecigarettes really needs to stop.


    Yeah, he did smoke all by himself, because his mother allowed him to. I'd say anyone is an idiot who allowed their child to smoke at 14, and she's an idiot for her objection to the school 'intervening without her consent', and continuing to enable her child to smoke/vape, whatever you want to call it, the psychological behaviour is the same, and they're still inhaling nicotine. I've recently given up a 30 a day habit myself and tried this vaping lark and it's not even close to being the same thing. Whether you want to argue over semantics, the school policy remains, as does public policy, as does the law, as does discouraging children from taking up the habit in the first place. It starts as a habit before it becomes addictive, to the point where a child is suffering nicotine withdrawl symptoms!

    I know where you're coming from when you say that you wouldn't allow your child to drink anything with caffeine in it, and I agree with you, I'd be the same, but there are plenty of people will call other people idiots for allowing their child to drink anything with caffeine in it, there are people will call people idiots for allowing their child to engage in any behaviour which is unhealthy for them, and as substances go, someone who allows their child to ingest nicotine, in any form, is an idiot.

    If they complain about the school having a policy that doesn't allow smoking/vaping, they're an idiot, and if they complain about the school intervening without their consent when there is a smoking cessation programme available in the school, I make no apologies for saying this, but they're an idiot.


  • #53
    Jayop
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Yeah, he did smoke all by himself, because his mother allowed him to. I'd say anyone is an idiot who allowed their child to smoke at 14, and she's an idiot for her objection to the school 'intervening without her consent', and continuing to enable her child to smoke/vape, whatever you want to call it, the psychological behaviour is the same, and they're still inhaling nicotine. I've recently given up a 30 a day habit myself and tried this vaping lark and it's not even close to being the same thing. Whether you want to argue over semantics, the school policy remains, as does public policy, as does the law, as does discouraging children from taking up the habit in the first place. It starts as a habit before it becomes addictive, to the point where a child is suffering nicotine withdrawl symptoms!

    I know where you're coming from when you say that you wouldn't allow your child to drink anything with caffeine in it, and I agree with you, I'd be the same, but there are plenty of people will call other people idiots for allowing their child to drink anything with caffeine in it, there are people will call people idiots for allowing their child to engage in any behaviour which is unhealthy for them, and as substances go, someone who allows their child to ingest nicotine, in any form, is an idiot.

    If they complain about the school having a policy that doesn't allow smoking/vaping, they're an idiot, and if they complain about the school intervening without their consent when there is a smoking cessation programme available in the school, I make no apologies for saying this, but they're an idiot.

    I started smoking when I was 11 and my parents weren't idiots. I was just very sneaky and good at hiding it.


  • #54
    One eyed Jack
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    Jayop wrote: »
    I started smoking when I was 11 and my parents weren't idiots. I was just very sneaky and good at hiding it.


    Your parents neither allowed you, nor enabled you to smoke though? That's the difference. I started smoking a year later than you and when my mother caught me and I was punished for it (I was useless at hiding it though in fairness), I didn't smoke again until I was 18. My own child was telling me to give them up since he was four years of age, he knew even then the harmful effects of smoking, and that was six years ago!

    (Yes, he's been giving out to me for six years to give them up, and he's still none too impressed about the ecigarette either :pac:)


  • #55
    Jayop
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Your parents neither allowed you, nor enabled you to smoke though? That's the difference. I started smoking a year later than you and when my mother caught me and I was punished for it (I was useless at hiding it though in fairness), I didn't smoke again until I was 18. My own child was telling me to give them up since he was four years of age, he knew even then the harmful effects of smoking, and that was six years ago!

    (Yes, he's been giving out to me for six years to give them up, and he's still none too impressed about the ecigarette either :pac:)

    I don't think she's allowing him to smoke, she's trying to get him off them early using the vaping. I think calling her an idiot for that part of the story is harsh.

    She is however an idiot for thinking he should be allowed to do it in school and for going public about it.



    I'm off them two weeks this Sunday. It's really really bad this time.


  • #56
    the_syco
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    What sort of an idiot buys their child an ecigarette in the first place, and then said idiot complains that the school has a policy that prohibits smoking and 'intervened without her consent'... :pac:
    I say the school hasn't had the best of luck stopping the kids from using the regular harmful smokes though!


  • #57
    starling
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Yeah, he did smoke all by himself, because his mother allowed him to. I'd say anyone is an idiot who allowed their child to smoke at 14,

    It says in the article that he started smoking without her knowledge. She did not "allow" him to. Obviously he didn't ask her "hey ma, can I take up smoking?" He started smoking and when he was caught she tried to get him off the cigarettes and she succeeded because he started using an ecigarette instead and now he doesn't smoke. She does not allow him to smoke. As far as we know she never did. It's unbelievably self-righteous to be calling her an idiot and judging her the way you are doing.


  • #58
    wakka12
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    Funny how we all assumed he was 10 from the OP, only noticed Id assumed the same til I saw comments saying he was 14:pac:


  • #59
    One eyed Jack
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    the_syco wrote: »
    I say the school hasn't had the best of luck stopping the kids from using the regular harmful smokes though!


    I don't know tbh, but it's the first time I'd ever even heard of a 'smoking cessation programme'. I'd love to know how common they are or if anyone else has ever heard of them or indeed as you say how effective they are in preventing and discouraging children from taking up the habit in the first place, let alone getting them off them.


  • #60
    One eyed Jack
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    starling wrote: »
    It says in the article that he started smoking without her knowledge. She did not "allow" him to. Obviously he didn't ask her "hey ma, can I take up smoking?" He started smoking and when he was caught she tried to get him off the cigarettes and she succeeded because he started using an ecigarette instead and now he doesn't smoke. She does not allow him to smoke. As far as we know she never did. It's unbelievably self-righteous to be calling her an idiot and judging her the way you are doing.


    It's even more unbelievable that his mother allowed her 14 year old child to smoke. It's even more unbelievable that his mother allowed her 14 year old child to vape with an ecigarette... there's plenty unbelievable about the whole situation.

    Someone being self-righteous about a parent allowing their 14 year old child to smoke/vape, and then complain about the school's policy prohibiting the behaviour, and then complain because she calls it intervening without her consent?

    I think on this occasion I can take being judged for being self-righteous.

    It's unbelievable that you could judge me for being self-righteous about a parent allowing their 14 year old child to vape, and then complain about the school intervening without her consent... :P

    Point being - we can all judge, and pointing out that this woman is an idiot is an entirely subjective opinion based upon her whole attitude to the issue.


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  • #61
    Sam Kade
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    asherbassad wrote: »
    Is that the same guy who got shot in the balls and then the bullet flew another mile, lodged in a woman's vagina and got her pregnant? That guy?

    No, it's the guy that laughed at the thought of exploding e cigs but he ain't laughing now.

    You put up a story and a few people get all bitchy about it, grow up :rolleyes:


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