Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Bandana boy · 25-09-2015 02:47PM

Mr.H wrote: »

90%+ of fans are not Anti Rodgers. Just the day trippers and the keyboard warriors

What % of the club do you think are Day trippers and Keyboard warriors ?

And as an aside what stand is your season ticket in ?

brevity · 25-09-2015 02:47PM

The second season of course was great but the rest has been ****e and that's why he should be sacked. Enough is enough.

Also, dismissing Klopp because he finished 7th last year makes absolutely no sense. He is a vastly superior manager to Rodgers and we'd be lucky to get him.

niallo27 · 25-09-2015 02:48PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Demanding that your team challenge for an unrealistic league title or a slightly less unrealistic top 4 position every year despite all the facts pointing out just how unlikely that either of those are? Crying and whinging when it doesn't happen.

It's like me complaining because I'm not riding Jennifer Lawrence every night.

We get you. You think are liverpool are **** and their fans are deluded. Can you please stop going on about it now.

Caovyn Lineah · 25-09-2015 02:49PM

niallo27 wrote: »

We get you. You think are liverpool are **** and their fans are deluded. Can you please stop going on about it now.

If you don't like my posts, don't read them.

mormank · 25-09-2015 02:49PM

You know, if anything I am tired of hearing about how great a club Liverpool are and that we should be challenging for everything all the time and how second is not even acceptable from the older generation. Ye had great times as pool fans, we get it! The new reality is we are not the main force in England anymore, we are even second and no amount of banging on about the old times is gonna change that. It reminds me of arguing with my grand father about something when every second sentence is "In my day this" or "In my day that". It's not your f***ing day anymore, things have changed! We as a fanbase need to be more realistic. I'm not arguing for Rodger's here by the way.

weldoninhio · 25-09-2015 02:50PM

Mr.H wrote: »

First season he built on Kennys season and we played good attacking football while fixing the teams flaws

Second season we had a great title challenge

Third season we decided to (were forced) sell our best player, lost our second best player to injury and had problems all over the pitch with our defence, Gerrard about to leave and probably most notibally Sterling.

Tell me how Klopp did last year??? Yet you still want him

Klopp had one bad season out of how many title winning/challenging seasons while doing well in Europe?? Rodgers has had one decent season out of how many, while bombing out of Europe.

How much did Klopp spend in his 6/7 years at Dortmund, I bet it's not as much as Rodgers has in 3 and a bit seasons at Pool.

Caovyn Lineah · 25-09-2015 02:51PM

mormank wrote: »

You know, if anything I am tired of hearing about how great a club Liverpool are and that we should be challenging for everything all the time and how second is not even acceptable from the older generation. Ye had great times as pool fans, we get it! The new reality is we are not the main force in England anymore, we are even second and no amount of banging on about the old times is gonna change that. It reminds me of arguing with my grand father about something when every second sentence is "In my day this" or "In my day that". It's not your f***ing day anymore, things have changed! We as a fanbase need to be more realistic. I'm not arguing for Rodger's here by the way.

Fantastic post!

Mr.H · 25-09-2015 02:54PM

Grayditch wrote: »

A HUGE tide has turned and you'd be blind to not see it. Not 90% surely, but the shift is considerable. It doesn't matter what side you're on, it's obvious. There's people I know still in the Rodgers camp saying they're sad to see such a huge turn. It has happened.

Of course, I concede that the tide has swayed into the anti-rodgers side. I am Pro Rodgers and even I am saying that his days (or hours) are numbered. I cant see him changing things this late on.

But I hope he can because I dont want to start a new "project" from year 1 again. Because we will have another couple of "getting things ready" years before any new manager does anything of note.

The thing people loved about Rafa and Rodgers is that they had a quick impact and had us challenging for something in a quick time frame.

Rafa winning the Champions league in his first season. Rodgers coming close to winning the league in his season season.

Its unprecedented. Its not suppose to happen like that.

Fergie left a title winning United and Moyes finished outside the EL spots with that same title winning squad plus a couple of others. LVG took that same title winning side and added mercenaries and just about got back the top 4 (but talked all that pre season about a title challenge comparable to Liverpool not being in europe when they challenged). LVG may put a title challenge together but I dont think anyone really expects it this year. If he does it will be great work mind.

Point is that when a new manager comes in there is bound to be a "bedding in period". A year for the manager to get to know the club and players. By year 2 the team is starting to be fully his as it is now the second summer of "his" signings. The third year should be his full team/vision. That means it could take another 3 years before anything happens if Rodgers is replaced.

Klopp (who did a Hodgson with Dortmund last year) will not automatically get us a top 4. Carlo will not be a guarantee.

What we know is Brendan has gotten THIS team on an almost 20 game without losing run last season (in his worst season here) and CAN do it again

Bandana boy · 25-09-2015 02:54PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

I'll ask you like I've asked everyone else. Who, in your opinion, should we displace regularly in the top 4?

I have said on here often I think achieving top 4 is not always an achievable goal and I would not like to see a Manager sacked just for not achieving it.
There are several factors outside of our control , namely how much the 4 of Man U Man C Chelsea and Arsenal spend and how well they sort out their managment.

What we can control though is our own performances and how we do against the 15 clubs we have significantly more resources than .
Last year for example top 4 was well within reach as Man U fell over the line. If the team is playing attractive football , winning the games we should win and making those top 4 work for the Top 4 then I will never give out about a manager.
That with Brendan is not the case last year we finished behind Spurs on 62 points , that was under achieving.
The football was rank and awful to watch .
The team showed no fight in the last 12 games and suffered one of our worst results in the history of the club to the absolutely ordinary Stoke.

Did you not see that ?

brevity · 25-09-2015 02:54PM

mormank wrote: »

You know, if anything I am tired of hearing about how great a club Liverpool are and that we should be challenging for everything all the time and how second is not even acceptable from the older generation. Ye had great times as pool fans, we get it! The new reality is we are not the main force in England anymore, we are even second and no amount of banging on about the old times is gonna change that. It reminds me of arguing with my grand father about something when every second sentence is "In my day this" or "In my day that". It's not your f***ing day anymore, things have changed! We as a fanbase need to be more realistic. I'm not arguing for Rodger's here by the way.

Why shouldn't we compete in trophies? We generate plenty of money, the profile of the club is one of the biggest in the world, no one is expecting 80's levels of success here perhaps something akin to when Rafa or Houlier was in charge - is that too much to ask?

I dont know why sort of attitude has crept in the the thread - hopefully it will go soon once we get a better manager.

Mr.H · 25-09-2015 02:56PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Klopp had one bad season out of how many title winning/challenging seasons while doing well in Europe?? Rodgers has had one decent season out of how many, while bombing out of Europe.

How much did Klopp spend in his 6/7 years at Dortmund, I bet it's not as much as Rodgers has in 3 and a bit seasons at Pool.

Oh you almost got there ALMOST

Brendan has had 1 bad season. Just one out of three

Bandana boy · 25-09-2015 02:58PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Of course, I concede that the tide has swayed into the anti-rodgers side.

Of course you have , you just think the Majority of fans are not "real" fans

Mr.H wrote: »

90%+ of fans are not Anti Rodgers. Just the day trippers and the keyboard warriors

NukaCola · 25-09-2015 02:58PM

Last 38 EPL games under Rodgers = 62 points ppg = 1.6
Last 19 EPL games under Rodgers = 28 points ppg = 1.47
Last 10 EPL games under Rodgers = 12 points ppg = 1.2

The only reason to keep BR if we actually want top 4 is hope.
He'll get us 7th/6th handy enough.

Agent Coulson · 25-09-2015 02:58PM

Klopp has now done a Hodgson with Dortmund :eek:

Caovyn Lineah · 25-09-2015 02:58PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

I have said on here often I think achieving top 4 is not always an achievable goal and I would not like to see a Manager sacked just for not achieving it.
There are several factors outside of our control , namely how much the 4 of Man U Man C Chelsea and Arsenal spend and how well they sort out their managment.

What we can control though is our own performances and how we do against the 15 clubs we have significantly more resources than .
Last year for example top 4 was well within reach as Man U fell over the line. If the team is playing attractive football , winning the games we should win and making those top 4 work for the Top 4 then I will never give out about a manager.
That with Brendan is not the case last year we finished behind Spurs on 62 points , that was under achieving.
The football was rank and awful to watch .
The team showed no fight in the last 12 games and suffered one of our worst results in the history of the club to the absolutely ordinary Stoke.

That's perfectly fine and I believe most of what you said and probably feel the same with most of it.

My issue however is with the fans who would throw their toys out of the pram if we finished 5th and were beaten to the top 4 by much better teams.

weldoninhio · 25-09-2015 02:58PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Oh you almost got there ALMOST

Brendan has had 1 bad season. Just one out of three

1 bad season? How many cups has he won? How many times has he gotten top 4?

Zero cups and 1 top 4 in his entire career. Making that 1 good season.

Mr.H · 25-09-2015 02:59PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

What % of the club do you think are Day trippers and Keyboard warriors ?

And as an aside what stand is your season ticket in ?

I am not claiming to be a season ticket holder (wish I could afford one). All I am saying is that these days we have a lot of "sky" fans who want instant success and dont realise that it isnt that simple

Caovyn Lineah · 25-09-2015 03:00PM

brevity wrote: »

Why shouldn't we compete in trophies? We generate plenty of money, the profile of the club is one of the biggest in the world, no one is expecting 80's levels of success here perhaps something akin to when Rafa or Houlier was in charge - is that too much to ask?

I dont know why sort of attitude has crept in the the thread - hopefully it will go soon once we get a better manager.

That's just living in the past.
Everything he said is true

brevity · 25-09-2015 03:00PM

Mr.H wrote: »

I am not claiming to be a season ticket holder (wish I could afford one). All I am saying is that these days we have a lot of "sky" fans who want instant success and dont realise that it isnt that simple

Who are these fans that want instant success?

Hangballlouie · 25-09-2015 03:02PM

Mr.H wrote: »

90%+ of fans are not Anti Rodgers. Just the day trippers and the keyboard warriors

You live in L4 I take it?

Bandana boy · 25-09-2015 03:03PM

Mr.H wrote: »

I am not claiming to be a season ticket holder (wish I could afford one). All I am saying is that these days we have a lot of "sky" fans who want instant success and dont realise that it isnt that simple

No we don't , at least no more than any other club and from my dealings alot less than the other so called Big clubs.
You are confusing our perception of where we really are now with wanting instant success . We want good football , to go down fighting when we go down and to enjoy the odd matchday not sit here wondering how bad it will be .

weldoninhio · 25-09-2015 03:03PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

That's just living in the past.
Everything he said is true

So expecting to beat a terrible Villa team and compete for an FA Cup is living in the past? Expecting not to need extra time to beat Bolton, Boro and Carlisle is living in the past??

mormank · 25-09-2015 03:05PM

brevity wrote: »

Why shouldn't we compete in trophies? We generate plenty of money, the profile of the club is one of the biggest in the world, no one is expecting 80's levels of success here perhaps something akin to when Rafa or Houlier was in charge - is that too much to ask?

Ugh. Ok so all you want is to be the number 1 ranked team in Europe like when Rafa was in charge? Or perhaps to win a treble like when Houllier was in charge? That's all? You see this is exactly what I'm talking about. When Houllier was in charge there was no Chelsea or City as we know them today. This is the key point that most people seem to be forgetting or just choosing to ingnore. 2 of the 4 Champion's league spots have been bought up essentially by those two. Arsenal have qualified every season for 20 years or so and Utd are actually superior to us in almost every parameter you would care to pick. If anything 5th is the very best we should expect but people still say top 4 or the manager is a failure. If we did get top 4 all the other big 4 have the resources to blow us out of the water the following season anyway as we have seen with UTD this summer and last summer when they realised they might lose their seat on the gravy train. Football at the highest level these days is a very cynical sport.

Mr.H · 25-09-2015 03:07PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

1 bad season? How many cups has he won? How many times has he gotten top 4?

Zero cups and 1 top 4 in his entire career. Making that 1 good season.

Listen I am not going to talk down to you because you are entitled to your opinion.

But you really have this "everyone else is wrong" attitude

Ok Brendan won nothing at all before he came to Liverpool and never got a CL spot before Liverpool. There you go.

Tell me this what id Klopp Win before he went to Dortmund? How many times did he get a CL spot??

Brendan was a success at Swansea taking them into the premier league and keeping them there. He then took over from Kenny and bettered Kennys league results.

He had one bad season at Liverpool. He improved on Kenny so taht was a success. He challenged for the title which was a success. He last year failed and that was his ONLY bad season.

By the way people mentioning money Klopp spent............................ where in the money spent league is Dortmund within Germany??? Without looking I assume they are in the top 3 if not top 2?? Where are Liverpool in England??? 4th? 5th?

Caovyn Lineah · 25-09-2015 03:08PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So expecting to beat a terrible Villa team and compete for an FA Cup is living in the past? Expecting not to need extra time to beat Bolton, Boro and Carlisle is living in the past??

I must say, I'm flabbergasted at just how much you care for a club you don't support.

Should United have sacked LVG last season after MK Dons beat them? What about Bradford beating Chelsea?

Bandana boy · 25-09-2015 03:09PM

mormank wrote: »

Ugh. Ok so all you want is to be the number 1 ranked team in Europe like when Rafa was in charge? Or perhaps to win a treble like when Houllier was in charge? That's all? You see this is exactly what I'm talking about. When Houllier was in charge there was no Chelsea or City as we know them today. This is the key point that most people seem to be forgetting or just choosing to ingnore. 2 of the 4 Champion's league spots have been bought up essentially by those two. Arsenal have qualified every season for 20 years or so and Utd are actually superior to us in almost every parameter you would care to pick. If anything 5th is the very best we should expect but people still say top 4 or the manager is a failure. If we did get top 4 all the other big 4 have the resources to blow us out of the water the following season anyway as we have seen with UTD this summer and last summer when they realised they might lose their seat on the gravy train. Football at the highest level these days is a very cynical sport.

There is a big difference between expecting top 4 , competing for top 4 and the tripe we are being served for over a year now.

Do you honestly think we are performing at "our" level for the last 14 months.
Do you honestly think we cannot play better football
Do you honestly think we cannot fight harder and show more passion against Man Utd
, cannot beat 4th Division teams at home
cannot avoid hammerings by stoke ,
cannot turn up for a semi final against Villa
...........

I could go on for pages

Mr.H · 25-09-2015 03:10PM

Hangball Doughboy wrote: »

You live in L4 I take it?

Groundhog day??

I answered your question and explained

Bandana boy wrote: »

No we don't , at least no more than any other club and from my dealings alot less than the other so called Big clubs.
You are confusing our perception of where we really are now with wanting instant success . We want good football , to go down fighting when we go down and to enjoy the odd matchday not sit here wondering how bad it will be .

Come on we have loads of fans here who think we are entitled to a top 4 spot

weldoninhio · 25-09-2015 03:12PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Listen I am not going to talk down to you because you are entitled to your opinion.

But you really have this "everyone else is wrong" attitude

Ok Brendan won nothing at all before he came to Liverpool and never got a CL spot before Liverpool. There you go.

Tell me this what id Klopp Win before he went to Dortmund? How many times did he get a CL spot??

Brendan was a success at Swansea taking them into the premier league and keeping them there. He then took over from Kenny and bettered Kennys league results.

He had one bad season at Liverpool. He improved on Kenny so taht was a success. He challenged for the title which was a success. He last year failed and that was his ONLY bad season.

By the way people mentioning money Klopp spent............................ where in the money spent league is Dortmund within Germany??? Without looking I assume they are in the top 3 if not top 2?? Where are Liverpool in England??? 4th? 5th?

He constantly has them punching above their weight in Europe. So the whole money spent compared to German clubs is pointless. Also, in the past few years I'm sure I've read that Liverpool are second behind United in net money spent.

mormank · 25-09-2015 03:13PM

brevity wrote: »

Why shouldn't we compete in trophies? We generate plenty of money, the profile of the club is one of the biggest in the world, no one is expecting 80's levels of success here perhaps something akin to when Rafa or Houlier was in charge - is that too much to ask?

I dont know why sort of attitude has crept in the the thread - hopefully it will go soon once we get a better manager.

Missed the last sentence. My attitude (if that's what you were refferring to) hasn't just crept into anywhere, it's come from a lifetime of failure. You can all say what you want but that is what we have done in the Premier League for the past 25 years now. We have failed, see I also have the attitude that second in nowhere, however Einsteins theory of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. In my case the 'same thing' is supporting Liverpool and 'different' results would be actualy winning the league.
Anyone who experienced us winning the league, and I mean really experienced it not as a child or whatever, truly have been blessed and I am envious of you. This is what being a Liverpool fan is to the younger generation, we know we are not gonna win the league, however we have come to terms with it. Alot of you don't seem to have made peace with that fact, and until ye do no manager will ever be good enough.

Bandana boy · 25-09-2015 03:13PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Groundhog day??

I answered your question and explained

Come on we have loads of fans here who think we are entitled to a top 4 spot

But the "majority" of people questioning Rodgers are not just becasue of Top 4 ambtions.

And the Irony here is the person who most recently stated we can get Top 4 despite all the evidence about the club under this manager because we are better than the teams around us was you !!

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