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english Llewellyn setter.

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  • #32
    SureHowBad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭SureHowBad


    ecr wrote: »
    Anyone interested in setter pups serious bloodlines probably the best in the country

    What way are they bred?


  • #33
    Hunter456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hunter456


    ecr wrote: »
    Anyone interested in setter pups serious bloodlines probably the best in the country

    hi-jacking threads much


  • #34
    ESB Spaniel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭ESB Spaniel


    Tommyaya4 wrote: »
    Well said lad any one thinks they are
    teaching a setter of any breed to set is fooling themselves. It either clicks with them and comes natural

    I think its more about steadying a pup more then teaching it to set, a setter as was said already should naturally set, but this method is helping steadiness while making a game out of it while they are pups. "You move the wing moves".....eventually after a couple of weeks maybe once a week for a few minutes you will have a much steadier set. I know a couple of lads, older generation also that have pointers and setters that are top rough shooting dogs that used this method when young. How many setters have been moved on over a steadyiness issue, maybe this "game" could condition a setter pup better. Again everyone has their own method some have the same as long as the end product is the same. We are all learning till we hit that grave lads.


  • #35
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    ESB Spaniel wrote: »
    I think its more about steadying a pup more then teaching it to set, a setter as was said already should naturally set, but this method is helping steadiness while making a game out of it while they are pups. "You move the wing moves".....eventually after a couple of weeks maybe once a week for a few minutes you will have a much steadier set. I know a couple of lads, older generation also that have pointers and setters that are top rough shooting dogs that used this method when young. How many setters have been moved on over a steadyiness issue, maybe this "game" could condition a setter pup better. Again everyone has their own method some have the same as long as the end product is the same. We are all learning till we hit that grave lads.

    Pure poppycock!
    Training a pup to be "steady" or "rock solid" is dangerous as can lead to other much more serious problems.
    A setter must learn on WILD game by themselves.
    I will venture that much more dogs are moved on because of false setting or stickiness.

    I would strongly suggest leave the pointing/setting to the dogs genetics and don't be interfering. Plenty free running with a sprinkle of wild game and pup will figure it out for themselves.


  • #36
    Hunter456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hunter456


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Pure poppycock!
    Training a pup to be "steady" or "rock solid" is dangerous as can lead to other much more serious problems.
    A setter must learn on WILD game by themselves.
    I will venture that much more dogs are moved on because of false setting or stickiness.

    I would strongly suggest leave the pointing/setting to the dogs genetics and don't be interfering. Plenty free running with a sprinkle of wild game and pup will figure it out for themselves.
    Not going to argue cause it isn't worth it but I think every has their own way of doing stuff.


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  • #37
    ESB Spaniel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭ESB Spaniel


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Pure poppycock!
    Training a pup to be "steady" or "rock solid" is dangerous as can lead to other much more serious problems.
    A setter must learn on WILD game by themselves.
    I will venture that much more dogs are moved on because of false setting or stickiness.

    I would strongly suggest leave the pointing/setting to the dogs genetics and don't be interfering. Plenty free running with a sprinkle of wild game and pup will figure it out for themselves.

    And not training them to be a bit to be steadier could lead to other serious problems.....bumping game. It has its pros and cons like everything has, you hardly think you train the pup just on the wing and nothing else. 3 times for a few minutes over 3 weeks I said not every minute of the day...

    I agree it can make them a bit sticky, but I would rather that any day as to rushing in putting up birds everywhere. I would expect genetics to come through with or without the wing.


  • #38
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    ESB Spaniel wrote: »

    I agree it can make them a bit sticky,

    Exactly.
    Stickiness is probably the most hateful fault in a dog. It's up there with false setting.

    English setters have a bad enough name for those two faults already. Still every cripple has his own way of walking!


  • #39
    irish setter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭irish setter


    Dawggone is 100% right. A pup should be let bump and chase birds till it's wild on them. Steading can be done later. After bumping so many birds the dog will click and begin to stalk. When he's ready encourage the stalk. The wing on a line only shows how a pup learns to point naturally and is of no benefit but if lads overdo it it can cause problems. I hate to see a pup pointing at an early age and will take them away from game if this happens. For the hard running dog that's slow to point and when it's done enough chasing as soon as it flushes drop it. Enough of this and it will soon learn. These are usually the much cleaner dogs around game. A dog being moved on for not being steady is the handlers fault and it's usually a good dog not being recognised


  • #40
    Dawggone
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    irish setter wrote: »
    Dawggone is 100% right. A pup should be let bump and chase birds till it's wild on them. Steading can be done later. After bumping so many birds the dog will click and begin to stalk. When he's ready encourage the stalk. The wing on a line only shows how a pup learns to point naturally and is of no benefit but if lads overdo it it can cause problems. I hate to see a pup pointing at an early age and will take them away from game if this happens. For the hard running dog that's slow to point and when it's done enough chasing as soon as it flushes drop it. Enough of this and it will soon learn. These are usually the much cleaner dogs around game. A dog being moved on for not being steady is the handlers fault and it's usually a good dog not being recognised

    +1. You know dogs Irish Setter!

    I would add that hard running setters with not much point in them is (was) more of a red setter issue. English setters are more birdy. Saying that, red setters have become birdier of late...



    Anyone with hard going English setter that's slow to point, I'll take them...


  • #41
    browning fusion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭browning fusion


    Dawggone wrote: »
    +1. You know dogs Irish Setter!

    I would add that hard running setters with not much point in them is (was) more of a red setter issue. English setters are more birdy. Saying that, red setters have become birdier of late...



    Anyone with hard going English setter that's slow to point, I'll take them...

    No sortage of them on done deal


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  • #42
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    browning fusion wrote: »
    No sortage of them on done deal

    :)


  • #43
    ecr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭ecr


    SureHowBad wrote: »
    What way are they bred?

    Mother of the pups her father is blackstairs geronimo setter of the 2015 I bought the bitch off kieran Walsh
    Father of the pups ballysloe edition bred by jimmy o keefe


  • #44
    blackpearl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭blackpearl


    the father is the best that is around for trowing top class dogs at the moment.


  • #45
    ESB Spaniel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭ESB Spaniel


    Dawggone wrote: »
    +1. You know dogs Irish Setter!

    I would add that hard running setters with not much point in them is (was) more of a red setter issue. English setters are more birdy. Saying that, red setters have become birdier of late...



    Anyone with hard going English setter that's slow to point, I'll take them...

    I don't know dogs at all so is that what your hinting, too many people on this website like yourself, id put my older setter up against any setter by the way. <mod snip>

    Do not direct comments at specific individuals in this manner again.


  • #46
    Hunter456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hunter456


    ESB Spaniel wrote: »
    I don't know dogs at all so is that what your hinting, too many people on this website like yourself, id put my older setter up against any setter by the way. <mod snip>

    Well said ESB Spaniel lads on here think they know it all. I posted a picture of my setter and said she was setting on a wing she was showed a wing once or twice and this is what has become of the thread makes me question what kind of individuals these lot are hi jacking threads and taking rubbish I'd love to see their dogs going.


  • #47
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    ESB Spaniel wrote: »
    I don't know dogs at all so is that what your hinting, too many people on this website like yourself, id put my older setter up against any setter by the way. <mod snip>

    ROFLMFAO.


  • #48
    Tommyaya4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Tommyaya4


    Dawggone wrote: »
    ROFLMFAO.

    Every discussion on here about dogs ends in an argument no one will ever agree 100% that's they way it is with men and there dogs my way or my one is better then the next but is a bit of crack


  • #49
    Hunter456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hunter456


    Tommyaya4 wrote: »
    Every discussion on here about dogs ends in an argument no one will ever agree 100% that's they way it is with men and there dogs my way or my one is better then the next but is a bit of crack

    It's a joke the amount of snobbery that goes on within the shooting community.


  • #50
    ESB Spaniel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭ESB Spaniel


    Hunter456 wrote: »
    It's a joke the amount of snobbery that goes on within the shooting community.

    Its that lads that know it at all don't agree with any other ways. Not once did i disagree with his way did I?


  • #51
    ESB Spaniel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭ESB Spaniel


    Dawggone wrote: »
    ROFLMFAO.

    Where are ye on this one MODS?????


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  • #52
    Hunter456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hunter456


    Leave them off you won't loose any sleep tonight.


  • #53
    Tommyaya4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Tommyaya4


    ESB Spaniel wrote: »
    Its that lads that know it at all don't agree with any other ways. Not once did i disagree with his way did I?

    Each to there own lad show me the man that does it all perfectly and I'll show you a liar


  • #54
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Tommyaya4 wrote: »
    Each to there own lad show me the man that does it all perfectly and I'll show you a liar

    +1.


  • #55
    Hunter456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hunter456


    had my 9 month setter out for the first time today stared at half 9 finished at half 2, work was outstanding couldn't ask for any more than that over all seen 3 cocks pheasants and 3 hen pheasants shot one couldn't for the life of me retrieve the bird, the dog was on the other side of the ditch of me i marked the bird where it fell but by the time i got to the other side it was gone a fecking runner was so dishearten for the dog. i thought i killed it out right with the tumble it did in the air. out again tomorrow to see can i shoot a bird for her.


  • #56
    blackpearl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭blackpearl


    if you are happy with the way you do it good enough for me, with setters no one can say they know it all cause you are learning all the time ,no 2 dogs are ever the same.


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