Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

NukaCola · 24-09-2015 09:25AM

Talisman wrote: »

Brendan Rodgers let Colin Pascoe speak on his behalf? I don't recall that ever happening.

I remember he left him speak for him in a post match definitely once but it was after a win in the EPL I think......

Lovely Bloke · 24-09-2015 09:26AM

Seaba, that comment is ill-advised.

24-09-2015 09:29AM

dogbert27 wrote: »

You're belief in a run from mid December to mid March is equally off the mark.

A malaise has set in now at this club and it's seeped in to the fans at the stadium. The captain has to go down with his ship.

Time will tell, until than you can keep both your ignorance claim and your crystal ball predictions to yourself, particularly the former if they are directed at me

NukaCola · 24-09-2015 09:29AM

Seaba wrote: »

A coward?!
A bloody coward?!!!
Pathetic, cheap comment.
How many times have managers like Ferguson in the past sent out someone to speak to the media?
Were they cowards?

Maybe Rodgers was fuming and did not want to risk saying something he might regret about a player, fans etc? Nobody knows.

I am Liverpool supporter and realise Rodgers is under pressure, and if he doesn't get it right soon he is gone, but to make cheap, Sun/Daily Mail, personal comments like that is pathetic.

Your job on the line. Your team have put in one of the most inert performances in your career. Fans are disappointed. A lot of people have had enough of you. You have a chance to explain a poor performance. You choose to leave the post match to a coach, not even your assistant.

BR is meant to be savvy with the press, here was his chance to say a few things to get the fans and players back onside. He chose not to do that. What would you call it? Cowardly is certainly a fair comment IMO.

Also, i think you should reconsider your last sentence to your post.

24-09-2015 09:31AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Hasn't time told already?

You know the results of the upcoming games, care to share them? I'll do an accum and retire off the winnings.

ERG89 · 24-09-2015 09:31AM

TheCitizen wrote: »

He's not wrong about Spurs though. Spurs are the perennial EPL also-rans, no-one else does also-ran quite like Spurs. Liverpool were once top dogs and can still muster a title challenge sporadically now, but are in danger of becoming complete also rans like Spurs have been for decades. I think that's the point the other poster you quoted was making.

The problem for Liverpool is deeper than Rodgers, not much point in appointing managers unless they buy into their philosophy and back them.

I have such a low opinion of spurs I'd get a yellow for saying how I feel about them.
That is an alarming stat when you consider all we spent under Dalglish & Rodgers (I'm aware we lost a lot through retirements and sales too).
I think player recruitment must be looked into as well Comolli was rightfully turfed out after buying mainly garbage & now I don't see the decent squad others do. Ibe, Lallana, & Firmino have done little to deserve a decent run in the side & if Coutinho is off form boy do we feel it. Still rely on Lucia who hasn't been the same since he got injured in a cup game at Stamford Bridge during the form of his career. Don't get me started on our defence then or unreliable Goalie

whatawaster · 24-09-2015 09:32AM

Last night was extremely depressing and horribly reminiscent of Northampton back in Hodgson's season, there is no getting away from that. This does feel like the end, although I would not pull the trigger yet. I'm a few games away from that. 4 points from our next 2 games feels like a minimum.

For any new manager, I don't think we are in too bad a shape.

Mignolet

Clyne----Skrtel

Sakho

Moreno

Lucas

Henderson

Coutinho

Firmino

Sturridge

Benteke

that is a good team, with the likes of Can, Milner and Ings as alternatives. But it's just not happening under Rodgers and it looks increasingly like that's not going to change. Our tactics are all over the place.

The decision to keep Ibe and send Markovic on loan was bizarre. Ibe at the moment is far too one-dimensional and raw.

I like Ings, I've liked what I've seen of Benteke so far. Firmino has been poor.

Point is, we have plenty of firepower, but in the league we have only really scored one goal that wasn't either a moment of individual brilliance (Coutinho v Stoke, Benteke v United) or plain good luck (Benteke v Bournemouth). That's absolutely dreadful.

There have been times in the last 3 games where I've thought "we're going to kick on here" - when we took the lead 3 times, but it hasn't happened. It has to happen against Villa I think.

24-09-2015 09:33AM

NukaCola wrote: »

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BR is meant to be savvy with the press, here was his chance to say a few things to get the fans and players back onside. He chose not to do that. What would you call it? Cowardly is certainly a fair comment IMO.

Also, i think you should reconsider your last sentence to your post.

What could he say to get those not onside, back onside? Realistically, there is a water charge protestor type of mong mentality in this thread that won't be onside after a 10 game winning run, no words he utters will change that.

Knex* · 24-09-2015 09:34AM

Yeah, I think when you weigh all the circumstances, Rodgers should have faced the press after that. Regardless of whether Gary Mc was scheduled in to boost his media experience, or whatever.

One of the worst performances of recent times, and Christ are we getting a spate of them in the last 6 months, against a League Two side who have conceded the most goals in League football so far this year.

His job is on the line. Not setting aside previous plans and taking the post match presser is an oversight for me. You could go as far as saying that he is now showing a lack of fight for his job and knows he's done, and I wouldn't be able to argue against it, tbh.

Osmosis Jones · 24-09-2015 09:35AM

I find it hard to criticise any players performance at the moment, they all look so lost when they're on the pitch. There was no connection between any two players last night.

5starpool · 24-09-2015 09:36AM

Augeo wrote: »

You know the results of the upcoming games, care to share them? I'll do an accum and retire off the winnings.

1-1 vs Villa, 1-0 to us vs Sion, 1-0 to Everton.

Feel free to put your life savings on that

Knex* · 24-09-2015 09:36AM

ERG89 wrote: »

I have such a low opinion of spurs I'd get a yellow for saying how I feel about them.
That is an alarming stat when you consider all we spent under Dalglish & Rodgers (I'm aware we lost a lot through retirements and sales too).
I think player recruitment must be looked into as well Comolli was rightfully turfed out after buying mainly garbage & now I don't see the decent squad others do. Ibe, Lallana, & Firmino have done little to deserve a decent run in the side & if Coutinho is off form boy do we feel it. Still rely on Lucia who hasn't been the same since he got injured in a cup game at Stamford Bridge during the form of his career. Don't get me started on our defence then or unreliable Goalie

Lucas Levia -> Lucia?

Can this be a thing?

NukaCola · 24-09-2015 09:39AM

Augeo wrote: »

You know the results of the upcoming games, care to share them? I'll do an accum and retire off the winnings.

Is there any need for the childish comments? I asked you a question, if you dont want to answer it properly then dont bother replying. Did I call you ignorant like others? No. You think he deserves more time and I am genuinely interested in hearing why.

I've seen enough to make a fairly sound prediction that he wont turn this around and he wont get us to where we need to be. The data is there for everyone to see. To give him more time is to waste more time IMO.

NukaCola · 24-09-2015 09:40AM

Augeo wrote: »

What could he say to get those not onside, back onside? Realistically, there is a water charge protestor type of mong mentality in this thread that won't be onside after a 10 game winning run, no words he utters will change that.

So the answer is not to bother saying anything and leave someone else face the press?

SlickRic · 24-09-2015 09:47AM

We could discuss this all day, and probably will, but there's a bottom line here, and it was mentioned by a reasonable Utd fan yesterday.

Do you think Rodgers is likely to get us out of this?

And I don't see how your answer could be yes. Therefore he has to go. He just has to.

ERG89 · 24-09-2015 09:48AM

Knex. wrote: »

Lucas Levia -> Lucia?

Can this be a thing?

My phone sucks forgive me. I was sure I edited it....
I miss calling him BOSS tho

I wish more people called Henderson 'H' tho

Tipsy McSwagger · 24-09-2015 09:48AM

I heard a rumor last night that there is a split down the middle in regards to Rodgers getting the sack. Apparently FSG in the states want him gone but people like Ayre in the UK want him to stay.

sabat · 24-09-2015 09:50AM

NukaCola wrote: »

I thought Milner was meant to be good?........but seriously I dont know what he adds to the middle apart form running, and poor dead ball delivery. Maybe I'm being harsh.......in fairness the way we setup cant be helping either.

I'm starting to think Milner is just a John O'Shea style 6/10 squad player who could look like an 8/10 player when called into action due to the quality around him on the field.

NukaCola · 24-09-2015 09:50AM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I heard a rumor last night that there is a split down the middle in regards to Rodgers getting the sack. Apparently FSG in the states want him gone but people like Ayre in the UK want him to stay.

I wouldn't believe that. If FSG want him gone then he's gone. They have all the power.

brevity · 24-09-2015 09:52AM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I heard a rumor last night that there is a split down the middle in regards to Rodgers getting the sack. Apparently FSG in the states want him gone but people like Ayre in the UK want him to stay.

I saw this via Reddit:

https://twitter.com/AnfieldHQ/status/646825285539786761

24-09-2015 09:53AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Is there any need for the childish comments? I asked you a question, if you dont want to answer it properly then dont bother replying. Did I call you ignorant like others? No. You think he deserves more time and I am genuinely interested in hearing why.

I've seen enough to make a fairly sound prediction that he wont turn this around and he wont get us to where we need to be. The data is there for everyone to see. To give him more time is to waste more time IMO.

SlickRic wrote: »

We could discuss this all day, and probably will, but there's a bottom line here, and it was mentioned by a reasonable Utd fan yesterday.

Do you think Rodgers is likely to get us out of this?

And I don't see how your answer could be yes. Therefore he has to go. He just has to.

He turned the tide last winter and had us odds on for top4 for a while, without any functioning striker, I'm confident he can do it again.

I don't think he has lost the dressing room etc and don't read anything into Gary Mc facing the press.

5starpool · 24-09-2015 09:53AM

NukaCola wrote: »

I wouldn't believe that. If FSG want him gone then he's gone. They have all the power.

Ya, I'm not buying that either. Smacks of someone making something slightly plausible up that can't be proved or disproved really just to enhance their ITKness.

Francie Barrett · 24-09-2015 09:55AM

NukaCola wrote: »

I wouldn't believe that. If FSG want him gone then he's gone. They have all the power.

Yep. FSG own the club and what they say goes. I mean, no one would tell Abrahamovich that he couldn't sack a manager.

Talisman · 24-09-2015 09:56AM

NukaCola wrote: »

I remember he left him speak for him in a post match definitely once but it was after a win in the EPL I think......

Googled it and found evidence of two occasions. He did the post match after the Tottenham game in February because Brendan Rodgers was on his way to Rome. In December 2012, Brendan Rodgers was ill and didn't attend the QPR game so Pascoe filled in as would be expected. Both games were in the league.

Video: Colin Pascoe on Mario Balotelli’s winning goal against Tottenham (11 February 2015)

QPR 0-3 Liverpool (30 December 2012)

klose is entitled to his recollection of a policy that Rodgers did not do post match for the cup games but the evidence suggests that it's BS. I stand by what I said, Rodgers would not wilfully allow Pascoe speak for him when he himself was present and available.

NukaCola · 24-09-2015 09:57AM

Augeo wrote: »

He turned the tide last winter and had us odds on for top4 for a while, without any functioning striker, I'm confident he can do it again.

I don't think he has lost the dressing room etc and don't read anything into Gary Mc facing the press.

Fair points. However, the tide turned again fairly quickly and we slumped to a pathetic EPL finish. I dont read much into Gary Mc facing the press either but I think it was ill advised. The players look like they are going through the motions at the moment. An air of the last days of management so not really sure if he has lost the dressing room, but it doesn't look good.

Boom_Bap · 24-09-2015 09:59AM

SlickRic wrote: »

We could discuss this all day, and probably will, but there's a bottom line here, and it was mentioned by a reasonable Utd fan yesterday.

Do you think Rodgers is likely to get us out of this?

And I don't see how your answer could be yes. Therefore he has to go. He just has to.

You have to throw another spin on this. Is there anyone available and attainable to get us firing again or improve things.

I posted here the other day that there were positive signs following the last game, more attacking, more pressing, more understanding of the formation.
But some of the players are too focused on scoring and think the pressure is on them to get goals. Coutinho is an example of this.

I think Milner and Can fell victim to this last night as well.

I'm going to get slated for this, but as we stand we should keep Rodgers. As noted, there are signs of improvement and some players are stepping up now.
Can was immense last night trying to drive the team.
Bogdan came in and saved the day.
Ings looks like he has the aggresive style of play that we miss.
Moreno seems to be getting better and better but last night was probably too long of a game for him.
Origi looks like he can hold the ball up well and quickly turn a defender. A little more sharpness in his finishing and we could start to see what we bought.

Some bad points as well.
Ibe was too close to the sideline the whole time he was on the pitch. I think he was trying to lure a defender out and stretch out the 10 man defence, i didn't work and Rodgers should have changed that plan.
Lallana looks lost sometimes. I think all his round the worlds are making himself dizzy.

If some of the players had of looked for another pass last night around the area instead of shooting (not each occasion) we would have done more damage.
Milner is putting in alot of work, but lacking a killer pass through.

Tipsy McSwagger · 24-09-2015 10:01AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Yep. FSG own the club and what they say goes. I mean, no one would tell Abrahamovich that he couldn't sack a manager.

Abramovich goes to plenty of games and has a passion for football and Chelsea, John Henry doesn't give a shyte. I don't know if there's any truth to that rumour but its obvious that FSG have been listening to Ayre about Rodgers future. Personally I hope Rodgers & Ayre get the bullet together.

Talisman · 24-09-2015 10:02AM

Augeo wrote: »

What could he say to get those not onside, back onside? Realistically, there is a water charge protestor type of mong mentality in this thread that won't be onside after a 10 game winning run, no words he utters will change that.

A charming description of people who's opinion you don't agree with.

googled eyes · 24-09-2015 10:05AM

I read that rumour last night as well. Would doubt the Ayre would have even close to that much power

Nerdlingr · 24-09-2015 10:06AM

Anyone want to take the hit in Europe to get three against Norwich now?

And who was it that was on here yesterday comparing our shots on goal to Arsenals against west ham? We had 47 shots on goal apparently last night. 47!!! and it still didnt look like we were ever gonna score . Carlisle came and did a job on us.

Couldnt even get the second goal against a L2 side.

And for all the lambasting he took last year about how he was past it etc etc (despite being out top league and overall goal scorer) we dont have Steve Gerrard to dig us out of a hole this year.
Who do we look to when the chips are down? When its not going our way ? Where are the leaders? Shoot on sight policy by the players last night was f*cking shocking.

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