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DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread
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Well I ran past a group of young lads one evening and one started to sing wiggle wiggle wiggle was morto and kept pulling my tshirt over my ass for the rest of the run when I got home told the hubby and he said he thought that it was a compliment !!! And said if they had shouted wobble wobble wobble it might have been a different story !! It has become a joke now. But the moral of the story is that if running does it for you it doesn't matter if you wiggle wobble run fast run slow or skip you're out doing your thing and if it makes you happy that's the main thing
:pac: you're just a wiggly wobbly wonder Mrs Mc :pac:0 -
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REVIEW AND WEEK AHEAD
Mrs Mc, calves and achilles holding up? Tell Mr Mc that back rubs and shoulder massages are great for releasing tight achilles
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Great post DG lots of things to ponder there. The calves and achilles are quiet sore after the weekend. Have been doing a lot of stretching and foam rolling. Had to do 5 miles tonight with 8* 400m intervals. Was not looking forward to it at all as it was going to 8pm before I would get out so too dark for St Annes. Luckily Mc Jnr decided she would come along with me, I was so grateful for the company, so we ran to Clontarf Road and got a nice flat 400 meters there and ran forward and back on that with 90 second rest intervals between each one (she was shouting at me to run fast on each interval as she ran them with no effort at all don't know where she gets the long legs from !!) and then an easy run home. The legs loosed out. But going to try an Epsom Salt bath now, have done the stretches and foam rolling so hopefully it will work. Will pass on the advise about the back rubs and shoulder massages to Mr Mc I'm told a nice cuppa tea or even a glass of wine would accompany it nicely too !!:D0 -
betty swollox wrote: »I think the manflu has arrived, I haven't ran since the half and I have been feeling progressively worse as the days go on, soar throat stuffed nose and basic weakness are stopping me hitting the roads. Think I need to write this week off
what impact will this have as I'm due a 20 miler this weekend
Bummer, get to the chemist and get the echinechea tablets there are supposed to be great for getting rid of colds. Was feeling like that last night myself thought i was getting the flu had a lemsip and an early night, and I've been taking the echinechea tablets for the past few weeks. Feeling okay today fingers crossed. Hope you feel better soon.:(0 -
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Feel fine after it Feena, I've felt worse after some lsr's! To be honest, you had a bad old dose going into it which probably explains the general lack of energy this week, moreso than the race itself. Weren't you planning on doing the EoI, this weekend was it? Are you reconsidering?
Yep, I'm not doing the EOI anymore. Going to do my 20 mile LSR on Saturday along the marathon route instead (hopefully with a few from here). Wouldn't trust myself to not push the pace up if I did the EO!.
The focus for me now is making it to the start line of DCM in one healthy piece
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What are we going to do after the marathon?... What am I going to read??... Where am I going to get advice about everything???!! Help! we need to have a support page / meet ups / class of 2015 reunion / be advisors to class of 2016!!! 0
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What are we going to do after the marathon?... What am I going to read??... Where am I going to get advice about everything???!! Help! we need to have a support page / meet ups / class of 2015 reunion / be advisors to class of 2016!!!
don't worry, there'll be a 'graduates' thread you'll be grand 0 -
What are we going to do after the marathon?... What am I going to read??... Where am I going to get advice about everything???!! Help! we need to have a support page / meet ups / class of 2015 reunion / be advisors to class of 2016!!!
A bit of PMT (premature taper madness) going on here I think.0 -
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Hi guys,
Been following/lurking for a little while...said I might as well post here too So here goes....
1. What is your athletics background? Have you run before? What other sports have you taken part in and at what level?
Played Soccer up until a ruptured ACL & MCL put an end to that. Gymmed it up for a few years and did a bit of running too. Did Gaelforce West in 2014, new job last year so pretty much lost a lot of the fitness I had built up in training for GFW. Been back running since about April '15 after a few months off
2. Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Not before this DCM training. So PB's are all the first times I've raced any of these distances: 10k - 44:23 Sept '15, 10m - 1:23:xx Aug '15, Half Marathon: DCM last Sat - 1:37:xx
3. Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training ? (No problem if you do)
Nope
4. How much training do you currently do incl cross training? Distances, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level. 1LR, 1Session, 3-4 smaller runs per week. ave between 65 - 80k per week.
5. How many days a week do you run only? 5/6
6. What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
Goal at beginning was simply to finish, but training has been going well and have found myself constantly lowering my goal....at moment, sub 3:30 is where I'm at.
7. What marathon programme are you following/intending to use?
Have a friend who is an 'elite' runner, so he's looking after me with the programme. Coach says "Run for x =km @ x pace"....I ask him how high. It's been pretty comforting having someone like that giving me advice etc.0 -
Morning all Following on from TFGR's post on fighting your inner demons/voices and finding the right balance of confidence, I wanted to ask you all about your strategies.
Many of you will have encountered some inner voices on Saturday, telling you that 'it was too hard' or 'you're never going to last' or 'sure why don't you walk for a bit'.....These are normal, to be expected and even runners at the pointy end of the race encounter thoughts such as these. No doubt these voices will come out in force on the 26th at one stage or another so now is a good time to develop a counter-voices strategy
What do you do to put these voices back in their box?
So we have one reference point for this, can you reply by quoting as usual from the most recent post, add your username to the post and remove quote tags before you post It might work.... 0 -
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Hi guys,
Been following/lurking for a little while...said I might as well post here too So here goes....
1. What is your athletics background? Have you run before? What other sports have you taken part in and at what level?
Played Soccer up until a ruptured ACL & MCL put an end to that. Gymmed it up for a few years and did a bit of running too. Did Gaelforce West in 2014, new job last year so pretty much lost a lot of the fitness I had built up in training for GFW. Been back running since about April '15 after a few months off
2. Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Not before this DCM training. So PB's are all the first times I've raced any of these distances: 10k - 44:23 Sept '15, 10m - 1:23:xx Aug '15, Half Marathon: DCM last Sat - 1:37:xx
3. Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training ? (No problem if you do)
Nope
4. How much training do you currently do incl cross training? Distances, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level. 1LR, 1Session, 3-4 smaller runs per week. ave between 65 - 80k per week.
5. How many days a week do you run only? 5/6
6. What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
Goal at beginning was simply to finish, but training has been going well and have found myself constantly lowering my goal....at moment, sub 3:30 is where I'm at.
7. What marathon programme are you following/intending to use?
Have a friend who is an 'elite' runner, so he's looking after me with the programme. Coach says "Run for x =km @ x pace"....I ask him how high. It's been pretty comforting having someone like that giving me advice etc.
Hi healy, well done on your achievements so far and on the half...a sign that the plan is working How did you find the half overall? Did you manage to keep an even pace?
Just a few questions....What was your running background prior to your lay off, for example what was your weekly mileage training for GFW? I ask because April is cutting it a bit fine to build up layers of endurance for the marathon but a background in endurance - even from a year ago - could stand you in reasonable stead still. However, the good news is that there is no fall-off between your 10k and HM time. Your 10 mile time doesn't line up though, did you mean 73 mins? If it is 83, what was the plan on the day?
Your weekly mileage total and spread seem good, what does the session involve, is it a tempo, PMP or....? And of course, I do have to ask what pace your runs have been at. As you have been lurking, this will come as no surprise to you
We've had quite a bit of discussion re targets and a few here, like yourself, have been tempted to shift the goalposts as training has gone smoothly. It is very tempting! However, just a little word of caution: race equivalency tables (they're not strictly predictors) are generally more suited to experienced runners and less suited for novice marathon runners. A general rule of thumb for novices is to double your half time and add 20 mins wriggle room which would give you a more realistic range of 3:30-3:45 for your first marathon.
Fwiw, I would advise everybody attempting their first marathon to start conservatively and aim to finish strong. The risk of blowing up on your first marathon is very very real as I'm sure your coach has advised. Have a look here for advice from one of our regular posters and a very experienced runner. Couldn't have put it better myself!
Anyway, interrogation over, you're doing great so far and best of luck with it all!0 -
Dubgal72 wrote:What do you do to put these voices back in their box?
Whoopsadaisydoodles
*loo-la alert*
I talk back to them :pac:
No really....I have actual little chats with myself. I tell the negative voices that they're wrong, that I'm well able for this distance. That I'm supposed to be running this slowly. That science says I do not need to stop in the shop for jelly beans after 90 minutes of running and that I'm being a nancy by even considering it. I make deals with myself "run one more km and then see if you still need to stop".
If I get negative comments like "I could walk faster than that" I say "So can you G, but not for 26.2miles"
If I see someone bomb past me with their long fast legs I say "yes, and when you're back going out for nice 5k runs, you'll be able to run that fast too".
So yeh, address the voices - don't ignore them, answer them back, tell them they're wrong
(I've no idea if I've quoted this as per DG's instructions sorry missus).0 -
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Morning all Following on from TFGR's post on fighting your inner demons/voices and finding the right balance of confidence, I wanted to ask you all about your strategies.
Many of you will have encountered some inner voices on Saturday, telling you that 'it was too hard' or 'you're never going to last' or 'sure why don't you walk for a bit'.....These are normal, to be expected and even runners at the pointy end of the race encounter thoughts such as these. No doubt these voices will come out in force on the 26th at one stage or another so now is a good time to develop a counter-voices strategy
What do you do to put these voices back in their box?
So we have one reference point for this, can you reply by quoting as usual, add your username to the post and remove quote tags before you post It might work....
Whoopsadaisydoodles
*loo-la alert*
I talk back to them :pac:
No really....I have actual little chats with myself. I tell the negative voices that they're wrong, that I'm well able for this distance. That I'm supposed to be running this slowly. That science says I do not need to stop in the shop for jelly beans after 90 minutes of running and that I'm being a nancy by even considering it. I make deals with myself "run one more km and then see if you still need to stop".
If I get negative comments like "I could walk faster than that" I say "So can you G, but not for 26.2miles"
If I see someone bomb past me with their long fast legs I say "yes, and when you're back going out for nice 5k runs, you'll be able to run that fast too".
So yeh, address the voices - don't ignore them, answer them back, tell them they're wrong
(I've no idea if I've quoted this as per DG's instructions sorry missus).
DG:
Smashiner:
Hi Guys,
I did a slow 'junk run' last night of 10K, soooo didn't want to do it as the legs (quads) were still a bit stiff after the DHM. Feel a lot better today from it, and I would encourage everyone to 'hug and kiss and embrace' their slow crappy junks runs as they are very necessary at this stage !
Don't be too put off if you have an odd crappy run, keep reminding yourself that your legs will thank you on the 26th.....keep going you are almost there
My inner demons get kicked to touch with a few slogans such as 'you can do this, and you will do this'....also 'I am doing this because I want to do this and I am doing this because I 'can' do this'........think of the many many people that are not able to do this or can't do this....we are lucky that we can partake in such training and races.............then again I might have watched Rocky 111 a few too many times....
nop98
LOL @ whoopsa!
Similar la-la-land here:
I have a very similar approach. I reason and argue with myself. For example, during a bad patch, when the watch beeps that another km has gone by, I say "See! That wasn't so bad!". I similarly make promises: over that hill and then you can check how far left.
I also simply acknowledge that each run will have bad and good patches, as such I can accept the bad patch and work through it, knowing that the good will come. Or I remember the race reports on this thread, or on TFB's log (which is really epic), or on other runners' logs here, and recall these runners in similar circumstances and how they wrote about it. It distracts from my own current woes.
I can also talk myself into a positive frame of mind by commentating on my own run, like a sports commentator. "Yes, ladies and gentlemen, another mile has gone by. We're approach the half-marathon mark. Not a bother for this fella. Bla bla bla".
The last bit is really dorky. Can't believe I'm admitting to it!
Ah now lads....stick to the running eh? :rolleyes:
Great tips so far, loving the last one nop 0 -
Hi Guys,
I did a slow 'junk run' last night of 10K, soooo didn't want to do it as the legs (quads) were still a bit stiff after the DHM. Feel a lot better today from it, and I would encourage everyone to 'hug and kiss and embrace' their slow crappy junks runs as they are very necessary at this stage !
Don't be too put off if you have an odd crappy run, keep reminding yourself that your legs will thank you on the 26th.....keep going you are almost there
My inner demons get kicked to touch with a few slogans such as 'you can do this, and you will do this'....also 'I am doing this because I want to do this and I am doing this because I can do this'........think of the many many people that are not able to do this or can't do this....we are lucky that we can partake in such training and races.............then again I might have watched Rocky 111 a few too many times....:D
Smash0 -
Whoopsadaisydoodles
*loo-la alert*
I talk back to them :pac:
No really....I have actual little chats with myself. I tell the negative voices that they're wrong, that I'm well able for this distance. That I'm supposed to be running this slowly. That science says I do not need to stop in the shop for jelly beans after 90 minutes of running and that I'm being a nancy by even considering it. I make deals with myself "run one more km and then see if you still need to stop".
If I get negative comments like "I could walk faster than that" I say "So can you G, but not for 26.2miles"
If I see someone bomb past me with their long fast legs I say "yes, and when you're back going out for nice 5k runs, you'll be able to run that fast too".
So yeh, address the voices - don't ignore them, answer them back, tell them they're wrong
(I've no idea if I've quoted this as per DG's instructions sorry missus).
nop98
LOL @ whoopsa!
Similar la-la-land here:
I have a very similar approach. I reason and argue with myself. For example, during a bad patch, when the watch beeps that another km has gone by, I say "See! That wasn't so bad!". I similarly make promises: over that hill and then you can check how far left.
I also simply acknowledge that each run will have bad and good patches, as such I can accept the bad patch and work through it, knowing that the good will come. Or I remember the race reports on this thread, or on TFB's log (which is really epic), or on other runners' logs here, and recall these runners in similar circumstances and how they wrote about it. It distracts from my own current woes.
I can also talk myself into a positive frame of mind by commentating on my own run, like a sports commentator. "Yes, ladies and gentlemen, another mile has gone by. We're approach the half-marathon mark. Not a bother for this fella. Bla bla bla".
The last bit is really dorky. Can't believe I'm admitting to it! 0 -
Morning all Following on from TFGR's post on fighting your inner demons/voices and finding the right balance of confidence, I wanted to ask you all about your strategies.
Many of you will have encountered some inner voices on Saturday, telling you that 'it was too hard' or 'you're never going to last' or 'sure why don't you walk for a bit'.....These are normal, to be expected and even runners at the pointy end of the race encounter thoughts such as these. No doubt these voices will come out in force on the 26th at one stage or another so now is a good time to develop a counter-voices strategy
What do you do to put these voices back in their box?
So we have one reference point for this, can you reply by quoting as usual, add your username to the post and remove quote tags before you post It might work....
Whoopsadaisydoodles
*loo-la alert*
I talk back to them :pac:
No really....I have actual little chats with myself. I tell the negative voices that they're wrong, that I'm well able for this distance. That I'm supposed to be running this slowly. That science says I do not need to stop in the shop for jelly beans after 90 minutes of running and that I'm being a nancy by even considering it. I make deals with myself "run one more km and then see if you still need to stop".
If I get negative comments like "I could walk faster than that" I say "So can you G, but not for 26.2miles"
If I see someone bomb past me with their long fast legs I say "yes, and when you're back going out for nice 5k runs, you'll be able to run that fast too".
So yeh, address the voices - don't ignore them, answer them back, tell them they're wrong
(I've no idea if I've quoted this as per DG's instructions sorry missus).
DG:
Smashiner:
Hi Guys,
I did a slow 'junk run' last night of 10K, soooo didn't want to do it as the legs (quads) were still a bit stiff after the DHM. Feel a lot better today from it, and I would encourage everyone to 'hug and kiss and embrace' their slow crappy junks runs as they are very necessary at this stage !
Don't be too put off if you have an odd crappy run, keep reminding yourself that your legs will thank you on the 26th.....keep going you are almost there
My inner demons get kicked to touch with a few slogans such as 'you can do this, and you will do this'....also 'I am doing this because I want to do this and I am doing this because I 'can' do this'........think of the many many people that are not able to do this or can't do this....we are lucky that we can partake in such training and races.............then again I might have watched Rocky 111 a few too many times....
nop98
LOL @ whoopsa!
Similar la-la-land here:
I have a very similar approach. I reason and argue with myself. For example, during a bad patch, when the watch beeps that another km has gone by, I say "See! That wasn't so bad!". I similarly make promises: over that hill and then you can check how far left.
I also simply acknowledge that each run will have bad and good patches, as such I can accept the bad patch and work through it, knowing that the good will come. Or I remember the race reports on this thread, or on TFB's log (which is really epic), or on other runners' logs here, and recall these runners in similar circumstances and how they wrote about it. It distracts from my own current woes.
I can also talk myself into a positive frame of mind by commentating on my own run, like a sports commentator. "Yes, ladies and gentlemen, another mile has gone by. We're approach the half-marathon mark. Not a bother for this fella. Bla bla bla".
The last bit is really dorky. Can't believe I'm admitting to it!
Ah now lads....stick to the running eh? :rolleyes:
Great tips so far, loving the last one nop
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