US soldiers told to ignore Afghan allies raping boys

kylith · 21-09-2015 01:29PM

The best the US and British forces might be able to do, and the least they should do, is promise protection for any of these boys who comes to them.

suicide_circus · 21-09-2015 01:35PM

Saddam Hussein commits a decade of genocide against the Kurds - America ousts him - America bad.

Muslim terrorists murder tens of thousands of their fellow Muslims in suicide bombings - America's fault.

Bronze age Afghan nonses rape little boys - America's fault.

asherbassad · 21-09-2015 01:43PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The US are there and it's their job to keep peace and help build a stable country. Step one is to keep the local police and army onside. Preventing paedophilia is not one of the US's objectives.I'll bet they have enough trouble getting the local authorities to cooperate on their stated objectives, let alone going off script and trying to change their practices.

I bet they turn a blind eye to all sorts of illegal behaviour which doesn't effect the mission. They aren't there as a police force. These are exactly the sorts of things you sign up for when you decide to invade another country. It's a case of necessity and the cooperation of the local commanders is necessary to the mission. The number of paedophilia victims is immaterial to the mission.

Oh to be so blissfully naive

21-09-2015 01:44PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Saddam Hussein commits a decade of genocide against the Kurds - America ousts him - America bad.

Muslim terrorists murder tens of thousands of their fellow Muslims in suicide bombings - America's fault.

Bronze age Afghan nonses rape little boys - America's fault.

You mean America's ally at the time of the genocide Saddam Hussein? America ousting him had nothing to do with the Kurds.

And you seem to have missed the point of the article, America's at fault for standing by when little boys are being raped. You know things are bad when the Taliban have moral high ground over you

asherbassad · 21-09-2015 01:45PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Saddam Hussein commits a decade of genocide against the Kurds - America ousts him - America bad.

Muslim terrorists murder tens of thousands of their fellow Muslims in suicide bombings - America's fault.

Bronze age Afghan nonses rape little boys - America's fault.

You're catching on.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-09-2015 01:50PM

asherbassad wrote:

Oh to be so blissfully naive

That's what they are nominally there for. They never even pretended they are there to help combat local paedophilia.

Gatling · 21-09-2015 02:02PM

Unfortunately nothing the US can do here ,
Intervene piss off the people you want to fight the Taliban and other forces .
Take the scum bags and shoot them American forces face charges of murder and or ending individual military careers with dishonorable discharges.
The afghans can't deal with it either either politically or judicially.

Satan is Real · 21-09-2015 02:05PM

asherbassad wrote: »

And in response to a rapist in Britain getting a longer sentence because his victims were Asian, you wrote:

7 posts in and this is the level of analysis you've displayed.

The issue was that a Muslim child was ruled to suffer more from sex abuse than a white child. That is wrong. All victims are equal and the sentence for the abuser should be the same (and much tougher).

British society is sick because the judge was concerned that her prospects for arranged marriage were damaged. Arranged marriages should not be tolerated in a modern western society.

Satan is Real · 21-09-2015 02:07PM

Paramite Pie wrote: »

The title mentions boys but the example in the OP mentions a girl forced to marry a rapist.

Rape is simply pandemic there, full stop. Some families sell their boys to these local lords for training to be a 'dancing boy'. Girls aren't allowed to dance. They can only be daughters, wives or concubines. Also sold by their families.

Horrific.

Shows the warped view Islam has of human sexuality 'girls for marrying, boys for fun'. Sick.

FTA69 · 21-09-2015 02:21PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Saddam Hussein commits a decade of genocide against the Kurds - America ousts him - America bad.

What nonsense is this? The Halabja attack on the Kurds took place in 1988 while Saddam Hussein was an American ally, the weapons he used primarily came from European countries and also a hefty dose of American chemicals which were personally approved by Ronald Reagan as he was fighting the Iranians at the time.

The notion that the American invasion was predicated on Hussein's abuse of the Kurds is a lie and a distortion. The biggest danger to the Kurds today are the Turkish government, a staunch US ally and people who are currently bombing the sh*te out of Syrian Kurds who are currently trying to fight ISIS.

FTA69 · 21-09-2015 02:21PM

Satan is Real wrote: »

Shows the warped view Islam has of human sexuality 'girls for marrying, boys for fun'. Sick.

Islam is homophobic, it doesn't promote sex with boys.

21-09-2015 02:22PM

Satan is Real wrote: »

Shows the warped view Islam has of human sexuality 'girls for marrying, boys for fun'. Sick.

It's not islamic, it was banned by the Taliban

stevedublin · 21-09-2015 02:28PM

zeffabelli wrote: »

Why are the US still there anyway?

I'm fairly sure they want to control the heroin trade.

Paramite Pie · 21-09-2015 02:36PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Saddam Hussein commits a decade of genocide against the Kurds - America ousts him - America bad.

The West kept their heads down during the Kurdish genocide (1987-88). The genocide was long over before the war in the 2000s. The world didn't give a **** about the Kurds.

The US sold Saddam the biological weapons in the 80s. They vetoed UN resolutions (with Britain) to stop the use of bio & chemical weapons.

So the US still clearly is a villain here, backing another villain to weaken Iran (also a villain), whatever the cost.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Muslim terrorists murder tens of thousands of their fellow Muslims in suicide bombings - America's fault.

Bronze age Afghan nonses rape little boys - America's fault.

The US often support terror groups until the get too big, so they are partially responsible. The Taliban were US allies. ISIS were financially supported by the US originally.

The US is not responsible for the last one.

end of the road · 21-09-2015 03:26PM

FTA69 wrote: »

a hefty dose of American chemicals which were personally approved by Ronald Reagan

exactly. i wouldn't be surprised if he approved the use of them against the Kurds as well, considering he was a nut

end of the road · 21-09-2015 03:41PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's what they are nominally there for. They never even pretended they are there to help combat local paedophilia.

no they are only there to take over the drug trade so they can ultimately be the main dealer to ensure subdued population and fill the private prisons

Azalea · 21-09-2015 03:43PM

The book The Kite Runner is largely about the warped dancing boys "custom". Awfully upsetting.

asherbassad · 21-09-2015 03:49PM

Satan is Real wrote: »

The issue was that a Muslim child was ruled to suffer more from sex abuse than a white child. That is wrong. All victims are equal and the sentence for the abuser should be the same (and much tougher).

British society is sick because the judge was concerned that her prospects for arranged marriage were damaged. Arranged marriages should not be tolerated in a modern western society.

So British society as a whole is "sick" according to you because of the reasons you mentioned, right?

Also everyone fleeing war in the Middle East is a child molester right?

asherbassad · 21-09-2015 04:03PM

Satan is Real wrote: »

Shows the warped view Islam has of human sexuality 'girls for marrying, boys for fun'. Sick.

It has fucking nothing to do with Islam but trust you to equate the two.

asherbassad · 21-09-2015 04:05PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Islam is homophobic, it doesn't promote sex with boys.

As is Christianity.....or at least some parts of the Bible. Old testament I think.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-09-2015 04:07PM

end of the road wrote:

no they are only there to take over the drug trade so they can ultimately be the main dealer to ensure subdued population and fill the private prisons

Even if that is what they are there for, they aren't there with the expressed goal of tackling the paedophiles in the local military.

asherbassad · 21-09-2015 04:11PM

Hatless wrote: »

The book The Kite Runner is largely about the warped dancing boys "custom". Awfully upsetting.

It isn't. There is some mention in the book where Khaild Hosseini half-brother's son was enslaved and abused. The book is not "largely" about the dancing boys custom at all.

Paramite Pie · 21-09-2015 05:13PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Islam is homophobic, it doesn't promote sex with boys.

It's not seen culturally as 'gay' if the man is on top. And the boy is not yet a 'man' so it's not 'man on man' sex. Allah's loophole.

The same men involved would hang two adult men for gay sex in a heart beat.

FTA69 · 21-09-2015 05:27PM

Paramite Pie wrote: »

It's not seen culturally as 'gay' if the man is on top. And the boy is not yet a 'man' so it's not 'man on man' sex. Allah's loophole.

The same men involved would hang two adult men for gay sex in a heart beat.

What do you mean Allah's loophole? Islam is anti-gay full stop. You're conflating religious doctrine with local Pashtun culture. This sort of carry on has nothing to do with religion full stop.

suicide_circus · 21-09-2015 05:42PM

My point was that the "blame America for the world's ills" line trotted out and nauseum is lazy.

Gatling · 21-09-2015 05:48PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

My point was that the "blame America for the world's ills" line trotted out and nauseum is lazy.

It's apparently all the rage these days funny how back in the day Afghanistan produced a fair percent of fruit and nuts for the global market .until the Russians got involved and left the country in a dire state after there conscripts got a kicking .
They just happend to leave thousands of tons of weapons and military equipment behind that led to constant conflict for the last 30+ years

asherbassad · 21-09-2015 05:51PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

My point was that the "blame America for the world's ills" line trotted out and nauseum is lazy.

And when a certain situation is clearly America's fault or a direct consequence of American interference, rather than accepting it people trot out the above mantra. If that's not lazy I don't know what is.

Gatling · 21-09-2015 05:52PM

asherbassad wrote: »

And when a certain situation is clearly America's fault or a direct consequence of American interference, rather than accepting it people trot out the above mantra. If that's not lazy I don't know what is.

Current situation in Afghanistan predates American involvement by+ 30 years

El_Duderino 09 · 21-09-2015 05:54PM

Satan is Real wrote:

British society is sick because the judge was concerned that her prospects for arranged marriage were damaged. Arranged marriages should not be tolerated in a modern western society.

But arranged marriage is legal so why on earth would a judge be allowed to rule based on your personal opinion of the practice?

Anyway the military has a hard enough time arranging with the local commanders to get things done without arresting their people. There is no military objective at stake so the US soldiers are not the people to solve this problem, grievous as it might be

wes · 21-09-2015 05:56PM

Gatling wrote: »

Current situation in Afghanistan predates American involvement by+ 30 years

They were involved when the Soviets invaded, along with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and more, to provide weapons to the Mujhadeen. Plenty of blame to go around in regard to Afghanistan. The US/UK are however, were the most recent to engage in a military misadventure, so naturally most people would be familiar with that.

As for the US/UK not intervening to prevent rape of young boys, I guess they took the real politik view, and decided not the intervene, and even if they did I doubt they could have done much to help. Its a ****ed up situation, but I think the blame really rest with Karzai and the northern alliance, who actually could have put a stop to this practice in the part of the country they control.

US soldiers told to ignore Afghan allies raping boys

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