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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    unkel wrote: »
    Very cool car that E23. NCT out several months. For that kinda money I would expect a very long NCT and the car in near showroom condition though.

    Not much point in having the car on LPG if you're going to have it on mileage restricted classic insurance either. Wishing the seller the best of luck though :)

    Out if curiosity would it take much to convert it back to petrol from an lpg?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,947 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Out if curiosity would it take much to convert it back to petrol from an lpg?

    Nope, simple enough.
    But you could just have the lpg system off and it would just be on petrol then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    bear1 wrote: »
    Nope, simple enough.
    But you could just have the lpg system off and it would just be on petrol then.

    Would you say it's a good alternative to going down the diesel route? Always been curious about it, it's a bit of an unknown to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭mullingar


    LPG is just a piggy back fuel on a petrol engine. Nearly all LPG conversions rely on petrol to start and get the coolant to 15C before the LPG takes over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,947 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Would you say it's a good alternative to going down the diesel route? Always been curious about it, it's a bit of an unknown to me.

    Personally I wouldn't. Would take a while before the savings would kick in.
    My father in law had his car converted to lpg a few years ago and it knackered the engine.
    Now, it could have been a dogdy installation but once the lpg system was removed the car performed normally again.
    I think it's hit and miss.
    I'd nearly prefer to have a diesel than to have a boiler in the boot (they are quite large) and lower performance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭mullingar


    bear1 wrote: »
    Personally I wouldn't. Would take a while before the savings would kick in.
    My father in law had his car converted to lpg a few years ago and it knackered the engine.
    Now, it could have been a dogdy installation but once the lpg system was removed the car performed normally again.
    I think it's hit and miss.
    I'd nearly prefer to have a diesel than to have a boiler in the boot (they are quite large) and lower performance.

    Classic signs that it was a terrible LPG installation.

    A proper installation results in zero performance loss and drives exactly as on petrol. A proper job will not damage the engine at all.

    The only downside is boot space if you want to keep the spare wheel, but a barge is going to have a huge boot anyway. If your happy to go without a spare wheel, just like many modern cars, you can put in a tank where the spare lives.

    My Ls430 is converted properly and it's running as sweet on LPG.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,947 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    mullingar wrote: »
    Classic signs that it was a terrible LPG installation.

    A proper installation results in zero performance loss and drives exactly as on petrol. A proper job will not damage the engine at all.

    The only downside is boot space if you want to keep the spare wheel, but a barge is going to have a huge boot anyway. If your happy to go without a spare wheel, just like many modern cars, you can put in a tank where the spare lives.

    My Ls430 is converted properly and it's running as sweet on LPG.

    I would say you are correct re the installation.
    However I still think the costs would take a while to recoup and not many people would enjoy the idea of losing the ability of being able to change the tyre.
    But I've seen your ls and number one nice car and two id love to have your feedback re what its like on lpg? Curious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,181 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    It really does boggle the mind that someone would choose a diesel in these cars with the big outlay when buying them. Even with the €2300 tax a year on a €100k car that's not even 2.5% of the cost per year on an asset depreciating by a good 25% a year.

    It's an Irish thing no doubt. Careless about the pound, careful about the penny. Even a brand new diesel Korean sh1tbox would depreciate €5,000 or so in the first year but people here love them because it saves a few hundred in tax compared with an older car.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭mullingar


    bear1 wrote: »
    But I've seen your ls and number one nice car and two id love to have your feedback re what its like on lpg? Curious

    It drives and behaves just like a 300hp LS430 should, but at the financial equivalent of a 38mpg petrol car.

    I put in my own LPG kit (and it's certified) so I know it's in 100%. Complete with a flashlube kit to prevent any hint of valve recession and I even installed a fuel trim module in the LPG kit to maximise economy under minimal load.

    Yes, a proper v8 barge with 1.6 petrol economy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Hi mullingar, how much did it cost, did you do the work yourself, how many km have you done since th change.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭166man


    unkel wrote: »
    It's an Irish thing no doubt. Careless about the pound, careful about the penny. Even a brand new diesel Korean sh1tbox would depreciate €5,000 or so in the first year but people here love them because it saves a few hundred in tax compared with an older car.

    What type of Korean diesel sh1tbox depreciates by €5k a year? Your logic is completely over exaggerated. People like having new, reliable and importantly, safe things. To say that people bought new cars with the number one priority to save on tax is silly.


    That's like saying the typical Irish mindset is to go out and buy the car with the best "premium" badge but the smallest engine/highest miles.....

    You happen to drive an E60 520i right..................


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    166man wrote: »
    What type of Korean diesel sh1tbox depreciates by €5k a year? Your logic is completely over exaggerated. People like having new, reliable and importantly, safe things. To say that people bought new cars with the number one priority to save on tax is silly.


    That's like saying the typical Irish mindset is to go out and buy the car with the best "premium" badge but the smallest engine/highest miles.....

    You happen to drive an E60 520i right..................

    In fairness I've lost count the amount of people who have told me they want a new car for cheaper tax and the majority who do that still haven't a clue how the new system works so want a small diesel engine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,903 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    unkel wrote: »
    It's an Irish thing no doubt. Careless about the pound, careful about the penny. Even a brand new diesel Korean sh1tbox would depreciate €5,000 or so in the first year but people here love them because it saves a few hundred in tax compared with an older car.

    sometimes i worry that you actually believe the things you say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    166man wrote: »
    What type of Korean diesel sh1tbox depreciates by €5k a year? Your logic is completely over exaggerated. People like having new, reliable and importantly, safe things. To say that people bought new cars with the number one priority to save on tax is silly.


    That's like saying the typical Irish mindset is to go out and buy the car with the best "premium" badge but the smallest engine/highest miles.....

    You happen to drive an E60 520i right..................

    I know what your saying but did BMW not launch a1.5 litre,3 cylinder engined car coupled with fwd this year?
    I got one of these crapboxes as a courtesy car a couple of months ago. Think it was a 216d thing that looked like a Quashqai. It was crap to drive in mildly most conditions and cost circa 40k!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Slightly OT, but man was I surprised how far we haven't progressed last week, being forced from my barge. Just back from Spain and had a '15 reg Focus petrol estate as a rental. All I can say is that it was dangerous, pure and simple.

    Now i'll admit we had her loaded with 5 average enough sized men, but jesus there was absolutely no power at all, like we were pulling a trailer full of rocks behind us when accelerating.

    Even with four lads in the car you'd put the boot down coming onto a clear roundabout, in second gear to beat any approaching traffic and it barely responded at all, you'd have cars on your arse within 5 seconds because you'd only moved 30 metres.

    If I got stuck behind a car on the motorway, i'd have to stick it in third just to get any reaction at all. Apart from that it was a decent handling car with a smooth enough ride, but both of us drivers were shocked at how gutless it was.

    I put the boot down in my own car when I got home yesterday just to get the smiles back, couldn't believe how quick it got up to speed. :D It has me convinced, i'm never buying a sh1tbox ever, no matter what life throws at me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,181 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    166man wrote: »
    What type of Korean diesel sh1tbox depreciates by €5k a year?

    Any of the popular ones lX35 / Proceed etc. Try selling one a year after buying one brand new and see how much someone will pay you. How much did you think these would depreciate? €500? ;)

    166man wrote: »
    You happen to drive an E60 520i right..................

    Actually I drive a 1.6l with just 4 cylinders. Thank feck it's not a diesel though :)

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭166man


    unkel wrote: »
    Any of the popular ones lX35 / Proceed etc. Try selling one a year after buying one brand new and see how much someone will pay you. How much did you think these would depreciate? €500? ;)




    Actually I drive a 1.6l with just 4 cylinders. Thank feck it's not a diesel though :)

    It's not just the Koreans that will depreciate that much! It's new cars in general. But what I'm saying is, and you haven't acknowledged it yet, is that people haven't been rushing out to buy new cars simply because of cheap tax. They bought them because they were going to buy new anyway! People like nice new shiny things.

    I was under the impression you drove a BMW E60 with the smallest available petrol engine. I must be wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭Red Kev


    S320, 01/16. 39,000 KM. FSH from Ballsbridge Motors. €3500.

    Very clean, hardly driven the past 10 years, not sure if that's always a good thing but worth a look anyway.


    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-s-class-s320-auto-only-3/10428036?offset=1

    46692989.jpeg


    S320, 04/16, 138000KM, Facelifted model, little info in the ad. €3350.

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-s-class/10465067?offset=4

    46887763.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭koutoubia


    That first S class.. soooo tempting!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    A modern classic it is not. Good value, it certainly is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Ad is gone for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭koutoubia


    ofcork wrote: »
    Ad is gone for it.

    Good.
    Someone got it before I did something that I may or may not have regretted!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    koutoubia wrote: »
    Good.
    Someone got it before I did something that I may or may not have regretted!

    the only thing to regret about an s320 is that the fuel economy isn't far off a 430 or a 500 but the tax is the same


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭koutoubia


    the only thing to regret about an s320 is that the fuel economy isn't far off a 430 or a 500 but the tax is the same
    Yeah.
    I am committed to my e280 for another year at least as my mortagage has only 12 months left to run.
    If that popped up this time next year I would,most probably , be straight over to it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭166man


    The engine in those S320's is one of if not the most smooth engine I have ever come across, the petrol one that is. Old school technology, chain driven engine and super quiet and also powerful. I have the same engine in the Mercedes CLK and it feels as new even with 147k miles on it.

    As a big Alfa V6 engine fan, that 320 engine runs it super close.


  • Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    166man wrote: »

    I was under the impression you drove a BMW E60 with the smallest available petrol engine. I must be wrong.

    I had one of them for years in better economic times, great cars imo. Nothing at all to sneer at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,086 ✭✭✭✭Duke O Smiley




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭polan


    nice spec


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    A bargain. Low miles, decent spec, can't go too wrong unless it has some major issues.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭landmarkjohn


    First impressions the seats look in good nick so mileage could be genuine on that UK import. Is that third button massage seats?


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