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Muslim school boy arrested Texas

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  • #62
    KERSPLAT!
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Well what if it was a bomb and students died. It'd be all 'PC gone mad , afraid to say anything wrong to racial minorities' , better safe than sorry. Im sorry the kid went through that though Im sure it was quite upsetting and embarassing.

    The kid is suspended for three days for bringing a clock to school. They know it's not a bomb, they know it wasn't a hoax bomb, why continue to punish the child for doing nothing wrong?


  • #63
    Paz-CCFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭Paz-CCFC


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Well what if it was a bomb and students died. It'd be all 'PC gone mad , afraid to say anything wrong to racial minorities' , better safe than sorry. Im sorry the kid went through that though Im sure it was quite upsetting and embarassing.

    That's such a nonsense argument. You could justify anything with that line of thinking. "Yes, we know now that the police raiding that house without a warrant was wrong. But what if it turned out the residents were harbouring Al Qaeda terrorists?" "We know now that that child we battered with our batons wasn't a threat. But what if he turned out to be a professional boxer and beat people up? What would the PC brigade, with their 'don't act heavy handedly towards kids' attitude, say then, hah?"

    It's up there with "well, if you have nothing to hide, you won't have a problem".


  • #64
    c_man
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    Ahmed was suspended from school for three days

    Sweet, few days off.


  • #65
    My name is URL
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    c_man wrote: »
    Sweet, few days off.

    He was also invited to the White House by Obama and to some event by Chris Hadfield

    I bet the English teacher that reported him is feeling like a right tool


  • #66
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,293 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    c_man wrote: »
    Sweet, few days off.

    Made me think of this :pac:

    http://funny.viralcuriosities.com/content/uploads/images/September2015/can-you-pick-me-up.jpg


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  • #67
    KERSPLAT!
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    He was also invited to the White House by Obama and to some event by Chris Hadfield

    I bet the English teacher that reported him is feeling like a right tool

    Zuckerberg invited him to Facebook too


  • #68
    Jayop
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    So unsurprising to see Conor74 taking a ridiculous contrary opinion. I've never seen someone WUM so much on a forum as him on here.


  • #69
    Custardpi
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    Paz-CCFC wrote: »
    That's such a nonsense argument. You could justify anything with that line of thinking. "Yes, we know now that the police raiding that house without a warrant was wrong. But what if it turned out the residents were harbouring Al Qaeda terrorists?" "We know now that that child we battered with our batons wasn't a threat. But what if he turned out to be a professional boxer and beat people up? What would the PC brigade, with their 'don't act heavy handedly towards kids' attitude, say then, hah?"

    It's up there with "well, if you have nothing to hide, you won't have a problem".

    While that's certainly a valid view, the reality is that sometimes authorities do have to take decisions without 100% knowledge of the situation in order to protect lives. Sometimes those decisions will be wrong, no matter how fairly operations are conducted. If he had been a teenage terrorist (unfortunately they do exist) then their actions would have been justifiable.

    The main problem here as I see it is instead the inability of the authorities, both school & police to admit that in actual fact they made a mistake & that the kid was innocent. Such an acknowledgement, together with an apology & some friendly advice to be more careful about what he brought into school in future would have allowed the grownups in this situation to retain some honour.

    The desire to maintain one's position however, no matter how ludicrous is too stong it would appear. It's the same factor which has left prisoners languishing in jail many years after their innocence is discovered. Admitting that you screwed up & saying sorry for it can be extremely hard for individuals. For those in positions of power & the institutions which they serve it is often anathema.


  • #70
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Custardpi wrote: »
    While that's certainly a valid view, the reality is that sometimes authorities do have to take decisions without 100% knowledge of the situation in order to protect lives. Sometimes those decisions will be wrong, no matter how fairly operations are conducted. If he had been a teenage terrorist (unfortunately they do exist) then their actions would have been justifiable.

    The main problem here as I see it is instead the inability of the authorities, both school & police to admit that in actual fact they made a mistake & that the kid was innocent. Such an acknowledgement, together with an apology & some friendly advice to be more careful about what he brought into school in future would have allowed the grownups in this situation to retain some honour.

    The desire to maintain one's position however, no matter how ludicrous is too stong it would appear. It's the same factor which has left prisoners languishing in jail many years after their innocence is discovered. Admitting that you screwed up & saying sorry for it can be extremely hard for individuals. For those in positions of power & the institutions which they serve it is often anathema.


    Honest question. If the kid had been a blonde haired lad named Jimmy Smith do you think the reaction would have been as severe? Would he have been cuffed and questioned for 5 hours? Would he have been suspended and still facing charges?


  • #71
    Arytonblue
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    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    Zuckerberg invited him to Facebook too

    I heard Bono offered him some free tickets for the upcoming tour as well, though Ahmed reportedly remarked he thinks U2 'are ****e' and 'not worth my time'.

    Better make sure not to let the digital wristwatch alarm go off or everybody will be doing some badly executed duck and cover.


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  • #72
    katydid
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    allibastor wrote: »
    What would have happened if he DID bring a bomb to school, and the teacher knew it but said nothing?
    But he didn't. The thing had a PLUG. You'd want to be some eejit to think it was a bomb.


  • #73
    katydid
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why are people hoping he sues?

    Because the police force was too cautious? Their job is to investigate suspicious behaviour. He was carrying a device that looked suspicious in a country where sadly schoolkids have murdered their classmates time and again.

    Should he sue his parents for allowing him to bring the item to school? Should he sue the engineering teacher for not stepping forward fast enough to clear his name?

    Why must people rush to the suing reaction?

    Whatever about the eejit who thought it was a bomb, it was soon clear it wasn't. Yet they took the kid away in handcuffs, stuck him in a room without his parents, and interrogated him.

    Do you think they'd have reacted that way if his name was Jimmy Jones?


  • #74
    katydid
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    The only reason anyone thought it was a bomb is because the English teacher watches too much tv and thinks any timer with wires sticking out of it is a bomb...

    I haven't seen too many bombs on tv with plugs on them.


  • #75
    Custardpi
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Honest question. If the kid had been a blonde haired lad named Jimmy Smith do you think the reaction would have been as severe? Would he have been cuffed and questioned for 5 hours? Would he have been suspended and still facing charges?

    That's hard to say really. Given the number of school attacks over the past few years (Columbine obviously being the most famous) most involving white kids school authorities are probably pretty edgy anyway. If a school genuinely thought a blonde haired lad had a bomb or the makings of one in his possession I don't believe they'd simply smile indulgently & let him away with it no. Police in the US have become increasingly militarised & some say increasingly heavy handed in recent years so you could probably expect a grilling, no matter what your racial or religious background. Did his background mean that his treatment was more severe than that? I'd say there's a good chance of that alright. I've no doubt that police are quite jittery in the US & elsewhere given Islamic State's call for "lone wolf" attacks & Ahmed's Sudanese background probably didn't help given that that country has its own severe islamist problem. It's probably the same factor that in the 70s & 80s would have caused British airport staff to give an extra look over of the Irishman carrying an outsized alarm clock in his suitcase.


  • #76
    GLaDOS
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    katydid wrote: »
    I haven't seen too many bombs on tv with plugs on them.

    Skip to 1.20 :pac:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CkTYPnJS0E

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #77
    katydid
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    .


    You can't expect the principal to examine the suspected bomb himself, he wouldn't be qualified. In fact, if it was a bomb, an untrained person could set it off inspecting it. .

    You don't need a degree in bomb detonation to realise that an electrical device with a plug that is not plugged in is not a danger to anyone.


  • #78
    Jayop
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    Have we seen a picture of the offending item yet?


  • #79
    katydid
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Well what if it was a bomb and students died. It'd be all 'PC gone mad , afraid to say anything wrong to racial minorities' , better safe than sorry. Im sorry the kid went through that though Im sure it was quite upsetting and embarassing.
    If it was a bomb, the kids would be long dead, since the teacher confiscated it and kept it while carrying on teaching the class. The school wasn't evacuated.
    They knew damn well it wasn't a bomb.


  • #80
    katydid
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    Jayop wrote: »
    Have we seen a picture of the offending item yet?

    Go back through the posts. There's one there


  • #81
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    katydid wrote: »
    Whatever about the eejit who thought it was a bomb, it was soon clear it wasn't. Yet they took the kid away in handcuffs, stuck him in a room without his parents, and interrogated him.

    Do you think they'd have reacted that way if his name was Jimmy Jones?

    This post contains links to heavy handed tactics used against kids named Michael, Shannon, Haley, Kathy, Sarah and so on...
    asherbassad wrote: »
    So if a kid brought the same gadget to school in Dublin what would your reaction be?

    Seems there's always an excuse or an apology for the galactic retardation of the American reaction to things and the fantasyland view they have about everything.

    Here's a few more for ya. i'd like to hear your justifications for these:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/student-arrested-for-burping-lawsuit-claims/

    He could have ingested anthrax and was threatening to kill the whole school with a belch, right?

    What's your opinion of this one:

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/cops-called-for-school-kiss-657831

    How about this one:

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/02/charlton-library-sends-police-to-collect-overdue-books-from-5-year-old/

    Sending the cops to a 5 year-old's house because her library books were overdue.

    No doubt you'll find some justification for it. Personally I'd send round a cake to congratulate the little girl for availing of the public library rather than playing xbox.

    A few more for your enjoyment:

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/04/10-disgusting-examples-of-very-young.html

    So looks like being named Jimmy Jones might not have saved him!


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  • #82
    katydid
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    This post contains links to heavy handed tactics used against kids named Michael, Shannon, Haley, Kathy, Sarah and so on...



    So looks like being named Jimmy Jones might not have saved him!
    True. It didn't help, though.


  • #83
    Custardpi
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    katydid wrote: »
    If it was a bomb, the kids would be long dead, since the teacher confiscated it and kept it while carrying on teaching the class. The school wasn't evacuated.
    They knew damn well it wasn't a bomb.

    On the other hand the English teacher could have been dedicated to his job & wanted to finish the lesson, no matter what the challenges - "I don't care if this thing goes off, I've given you this sonnet to study & nobody's leaving until you've all learned it!"


  • #84
    Jayop
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    katydid wrote: »
    Go back through the posts. There's one there

    The article in the OP says it was in his pencil case, it must be one massive frigging pencil case.


  • #85
    katydid
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    Custardpi wrote: »
    On the other hand the English teacher could have been dedicated to his job & wanted to finish the lesson, no matter what the challenges - "I don't care if this thing goes off, I've given you this sonnet to study & nobody's leaving until you've all learned it!"
    I was in school back in the seventies, and we had a few bomb scares. One day wer were in the middle of a science class, and the teacher, Mr. O'Brien, made us finish copying down from the board before he let us out.

    No bomb, of course.


  • #86
    Jayop
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    Bomb scares were common enough too when I was in secondary school. Normally someone who didn't have their homework done would ring in a threat. Pure bollocks.


  • #87
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    Custardpi wrote: »
    On the other hand the English teacher could have been dedicated to his job & wanted to finish the lesson, no matter what the challenges - "I don't care if this thing goes off, I've given you this sonnet to study & nobody's leaving until you've all learned it!"

    Obvious poem...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTmimW2Iw20


  • #88
    katydid
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    Jayop wrote: »
    Bomb scares were common enough too when I was in secondary school. Normally someone who didn't have their homework done would ring in a threat. Pure bollocks.
    It was a handy break in the day, though.


  • #89
    KERSPLAT!
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    Jan Laco wrote: »
    Kid shoots dead 10 in school "Oh why didn't we see the signs!!"

    Teachers act on potential signs and it's a fcukin crime against freedom.

    Make up yer minds

    The crime isn't the actions of the school and the police officers reporting and investigating, it is how they dealt with things afterwards. The child is suspended for three days, for what exactly?

    Read the thread.

    Edit: Ninja edit, not quick enough for me! :P


  • #90
    The Randy Riverbeast
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    Jayop wrote: »
    Bomb scares were common enough too when I was in secondary school. Normally someone who didn't have their homework done would ring in a threat. Pure bollocks.

    Maybe they just couldnt find a plug for the bomb so gave up.


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  • #91
    Jayop
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    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    Maybe they just couldnt find a plug for the bomb so gave up.

    They had no USA to Irish adapters.


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