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DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭ratracer


    FeenaM wrote: »
    Nooooo, I have a bit of a chest infection and had hoped it would be gone by today. Didn't do my planned 6 miles last night and I'm meant to do 10 miles tonight. Do I do it or leave it? I'd say Ill feel ok enough to do it but afraid I'll make this drag out longer if I do!!! Can't make up the mileage with the HM on Saturday so not sure what to do!!!

    If it's in the chest I'd just rest tbh!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    ratracer wrote: »
    If it's in the chest I'd just rest tbh!

    +1, don't run with a chest infection. You risk making it a lot worse. Rest up and I hope you feel better soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭JacEim


    So went to physio this morning (a new physio for me as my normal one has emigrated to the US)

    Took a while to actually isolate the issue - which seems to be an extensor issue (to the smaller toes rather than big toe which is where issues normally occur). She did some manipulation and the pain level was only around a 2/10, vs typically a 9/10 from my old physio. Not sure if this is down to the fact that the injury is not too serious or that the physio was taking it easy on me (in my experience they do have different approaches to pain mgt)
    Some ultrasound afterwards along with Acupuncture (for the first time ever). She hit a nerve with a needle and lifted me out of it!!!
    I have stretching & self manipulation to do three times a day, no icing required.

    Anyway, she says no running (or cycling) for a week and I am going back to see her on Friday morning. I must say I am pretty conflicted on whether I need to be out for a full week, but am going to rest until Friday morning and see how I get on then.

    Just need to stop eating now for the next 3 days as my body still thinks it needs loads of fuel :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    FeenaM wrote: »
    Nooooo, I have a bit of a chest infection and had hoped it would be gone by today. Didn't do my planned 6 miles last night and I'm meant to do 10 miles tonight. Do I do it or leave it? I'd say Ill feel ok enough to do it but afraid I'll make this drag out longer if I do!!! Can't make up the mileage with the HM on Saturday so not sure what to do!!!

    Hi FeenaM, I would not recommend running with a chest infection. Have a look at this, there are more serious health implications than missing a run or two. You risk being sidelined for a month, and I know you don't want that...
    Have you been to a doc and are you taking antibiotics? You might not need to take antibiotics for a bronchial infection, but a GP will be best placed to advise.

    Put the running demons into their box and take time off til your chest is clear. Seriously....


    Remember, you can afford to miss up to a week at this stage. You can't afford to miss a month....
    Check in and let us know how you're getting on won't you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Peter D61 wrote: »
    Thanks DG, I'm just going out to do 6m now and my plan says 4 tomorrow, then rest friday. Does that sound ok?
    Yes that will be fine, make sure it's easy easy pace and effort :)
    ZV Yoda wrote: »
    Back from my 10km this am. I miscalculated & ran 12k instead. It was a glorious morning for a run, with ground fog rolling across the Liffey in the grounds of Castletown House. I ran at my planned HM pace (5.25/km). No niggles. Gave the legs a good stretch & looking forward to physio tomorrow & 2 days rest before the HM.

    Yay and yay to physio :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    Sport massage last night went really well. Legs feel really used today though! :P

    The therapist worked on my calves, hamstrings, glutes and quads. Very, very tight quads, especially the left leg. I can't get a full range of motion in the leg! Right leg was pretty ok. Some tight spots all over but generally legs are in good condition. Left leg seems to be worse. There was a moment I was biting my teeth as he pressed on a spot and the pain flashed all the way up into my back! I didn't swear but came close!

    Have a session booked for the Friday before the marathon. Is that too soon or just right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Sport massage last night went really well. Legs feel really used today though! :P

    The therapist worked on my calves, hamstrings, glutes and quads. Very, very tight quads, especially the left leg. I can't get a full range of motion in the leg! Right leg was pretty ok. Some tight spots all over but generally legs are in good condition. Left leg seems to be worse. There was a moment I was biting my teeth as he pressed on a spot and the pain flashed all the way up into my back! I didn't swear but came close!

    Have a session booked for the Friday before the marathon. Is that too soon or just right?

    Friday is too close. 7-10 days would be more preferable IMO. Myles might be better placed to answer this one?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    FBOT01 wrote: »
    Friday is too close. 7-10 days would be more preferable IMO. Myles might be better placed to answer this one?

    As much as a cop out as it is it can be a very individual thing. Normally before a target race I would advise at least 48-72 hours depending on how that person has reacted in the past (if it's a clients first treatment I would advise a bit more)

    Most of my deep treatments marathon week would aim to be done by Wednesday/Thursday

    You can still get treatment even as close as an hour before a race however the type of work done is a lot more superficial so if you are getting done closer to the time aim to avoid deep techniques (dry needling , friction work etc.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭frash


    5 miles done at lunchtime bringing it to 14 for the week (5, 4 & 5)

    That's me done until the HM on Saturday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    As much as a cop out as it is it can be a very individual thing. Normally before a target race I would advise at least 48-72 hours depending on how that person has reacted in the past (if it's a clients first treatment I would advise a bit more)

    Most of my deep treatments marathon week would aim to be done by Wednesday/Thursday

    You can still get treatment even as close as an hour before a race however the type of work done is a lot more superficial so if you are getting done closer to the time aim to avoid deep techniques (dry needling , friction work etc.)

    That's pretty much what my therapist said. Next month will be my third session and he won't go as deep. I do have recover quite quickly from these so from what you've said, I think Friday should be ok for me.

    Thanks!!


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  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There was a moment I was biting my teeth as he pressed on a spot and the pain flashed all the way up into my back! I didn't swear but came close!

    A moment? Are you kidding me woman? You must be made of nails!

    It's like I have tourettes when I'm getting physio or sports massage!

    Went to physio this morning, there were many many teeth gritting moments :D

    On the pre race massage thing, my nice lady person told me that I can go to her on the Thursday before but she wouldn't be going as deep as usual. I'll be going to her weekly now >.<


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Emsy 1



    It's like I have tourettes when I'm getting physio or sports massage!

    This made me laugh so hard I love ur posts whoopsa :D

    Just looking at the Novice 1 plan and noticed there is no 18mile run on it. It go's from 16,12,half marathon, 14 and then to 20m? Should that run of 14miles be more..?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    Emsy 1 wrote: »
    This made me laugh so hard I love ur posts whoopsa :D

    Just looking at the Novice 1 plan and noticed there is no 18mile run on it. It go's from 16,12,half marathon, 14 and then to 20m? Should that run of 14miles be more..?

    According to his site, the half marathon day should actually be the 18 mile day

    http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51137/Marathon-Novice-1-Training-Program

    Boards version may have been modified to accommodate the half marathon, I assume.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Emsy 1 wrote: »
    This made me laugh so hard I love ur posts whoopsa :D

    Just looking at the Novice 1 plan and noticed there is no 18mile run on it. It go's from 16,12,half marathon, 14 and then to 20m? Should that run of 14miles be more..?


    1.5 mile warm up and cooldown and your mileage is plenty for the day of the half (16 total). Racing the HM is worth more aerobically than an extra miles in terms of fitness so I wouldn't worry too much about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Emsy 1 wrote: »
    This made me laugh so hard I love ur posts whoopsa :D

    Just looking at the Novice 1 plan and noticed there is no 18mile run on it. It go's from 16,12,half marathon, 14 and then to 20m? Should that run of 14miles be more..?

    The actually HHN1 plan has an 18m on this weekend which has been substituted with the half for the purpose of incorporating the Race Series. With warm-up cool down, etc. you are likely to be doing 15m+ this weekend with 13.1m at higher intensity so wouldn't worry too much about the 3 miles or so dropped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭ZV Yoda


    chrislad wrote: »
    According to his site, the half marathon day should actually be the 18 mile day

    http://www.halhigdon.com/training/51137/Marathon-Novice-1-Training-Program

    Boards version may have been modified to accommodate the half marathon, I assume.

    Ah, that makes sense - I was wondering about that too.

    Should we increase next week's lsr from 14 to 18 miles?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭PJD


    Why is EVERYONE around me coughing or sneezing..... Not impressed! Its only gonna get worse as we get closer to the day!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭diego_b


    So Saturday week (the 26th) there is a 20mile LSR scheduled on the boards plan and I see 14mile LSR scheduled on the HHN1.
    Just wondering would people be interested in meeting up to route some of the DCM route for it, I will be up in Dublin on Thursday and Friday for work and planning to stay up an extra night to do the 20miler on the course itself if possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    ZV Yoda wrote: »
    Ah, that makes sense - I was wondering about that too.

    Should we increase next week's lsr from 14 to 18 miles?

    No :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Stevo1983


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Hi Stevo. Tell me more about the intervals? How's the back behaving? Good to see you back at it, you triathletes are unputdownable really :) This will be your third half in the plan, won't it? Sounds like you'll be racing it, best of luck!

    Hi Dubgal, thanks. The back is holding out well . Ran a 24k training run last weekend and there were no issues.
    My interval training is usually once or twice a week. I do 1 minute steady pace and then 1 minute flat out and this continues until the run is over.
    Helps me a lot but I only do them at the beginning of the week as with swim training my calves seize up in the pool from them.
    As for Saturday I'm hoping to put in a decent time. I'm not happy with my last two half times ( 1:48 & 1:46 ). I know I can do a lot better it's just a matter of getting my arse in gear.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 Howdylimk


    Hi, all and apologies in advance for jumping in on this thread so late in the training year. It was me googling for advice about my own DCM training that led me here. Basically I'm a bit concerned I haven't enough done, given the time left. Running over 2 years and started training for DCM in June, however due to continuing work commitments changing I havent been very diligent in sticking to my plan. Here's my last 6 weeks as an example,

    Mon Aug 3rd 3 Miles Recovery @ 26.50
    Tues Aug 4th 10 Miles steady @ 1.41
    Wed Aug 5th 3 Miles Easy @ 30.06
    Mon Aug 10th 3 miles @ 27.09
    Tues Aug 11th 10 Miles @ 1.36
    Thurs Aug 13th 3 miles @ 26.05
    Sunday August 16th Clonmel Half @ 2.04.20

    Holidays in Portugal

    Friday August 21st 5 miles 46.29
    Sun Aug 23rd 3 miles @ 29.00
    Tues Aug 25th 8.5 miles @ 1.24

    Home From Hols :-(

    Sun Aug 30 16.2 miles @ 2.56
    Tues Sept 1st 8 miles @ 1.15
    Sat Sept 5th Dingle Half @ 2.03
    Tues Sept 7th 6.5 miles @ 1.02
    Sunday Sept 13th 17.2 miles @ 2.47

    So here I am this week with nothing done as I've a touch of a sore heel and got the mother and father of a deep tissue massage on Monday. I felt a slight twinge behind my knee on Sunday's long run, which was down to tight calves which should now be worked out. I just getting a bit panicky that I haven't enough done, or am not doing enough going forward for the next few weeks until taper week.

    My long run plan going forward is
    Sunday 19th 14 miles
    Sunday 26th 18 miles
    Sunday 4th Oct 20 Miles
    Sunday 11th Oct 16 miles
    Sunday 18th Oct 8 miles

    My midweek runs are going to all over the place for the next few weeks and I could end up skipping a good few, however I'm not missing my long runs. I'm hoping to be realistic and look at a 4:30 - 4.50 finish. Any advice appreciated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Hi Howdylimk and welcome :) Never too late to come on board. I'll have a look at that later and get back to you then if that's ok? There are seven questions at the end of the first post, when you get a chance could you fill them in please. The more we know about your running backgrou d, the better placed we are to help :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Phoole


    Hi guys, how many gels should I be consuming per hour? Up to 18 miles now and waiting til mile 10 before I take one, but I'm thinking I should be taking one or two per hour? Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    JacEim wrote: »

    Anyway, she says no running (or cycling) for a week and I am going back to see her on Friday morning. I must say I am pretty conflicted on whether I need to be out for a full week, but am going to rest until Friday morning and see how I get on then.

    Just need to stop eating now for the next 3 days as my body still thinks it needs loads of fuel :)
    That's great JacEim, well sort of :) Can you ring and ask if it would be ok to do some pool running? If you get a quick enough cadence and maintain the proper form (will post link), it's a great way to keep ticking over

    Have a session booked for the Friday before the marathon. Is that too soon or just right?
    I see that's been answered and agreed :)
    Emsy 1 wrote: »
    This made me laugh so hard I love ur posts whoopsa :D

    Just looking at the Novice 1 plan and noticed there is no 18mile run on it. It go's from 16,12,half marathon, 14 and then to 20m? Should that run of 14miles be more..?
    And answered again ;) I completely agree with the feedback given. I had a similar question last year and was advised by a very experienced marathon runner (and 50 years of running experience) that an all-out half plus warm up and cool down has slightly different benefits to an 18-20 lsr but both come out equal after general adaptations etc have been made.

    So this week - with half - is an equivalent high mileage lsr. Next week - the 14 - is your pull back lsr (have you noticed the pattern?) and then the week after is the big 'un: 20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Phoole wrote: »
    Hi guys, how many gels should I be consuming per hour? Up to 18 miles now and waiting til mile 10 before I take one, but I'm thinking I should be taking one or two per hour? Cheers

    It's been discussed on here a bit already, and I would think the consensus would be whatever suits individually. Personally, if I took two gels every hour I would have severe stomach cramps or frequent bathroom breaks along the way. One at each 10-15km is my plan, so probably 3-4 altogether.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Phoole wrote: »
    Hi guys, how many gels should I be consuming per hour? Up to 18 miles now and waiting til mile 10 before I take one, but I'm thinking I should be taking one or two per hour? Cheers

    Hi Phoole, have a look at these and if you've any questions, come back and fire away :)

    Meno on benefit of taking gels early
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96884876&postcount=4013

    Saltyrunning blog on bonking
    http://www.saltyrunning.com/2012/07/19/bonking-train-to-avoid-glycogen-depletion/

    To gel or not to gel thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057175450


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    FeenaM wrote: »
    Nooooo, I have a bit of a chest infection and had hoped it would be gone by today. Didn't do my planned 6 miles last night and I'm meant to do 10 miles tonight. Do I do it or leave it? I'd say Ill feel ok enough to do it but afraid I'll make this drag out longer if I do!!! Can't make up the mileage with the HM on Saturday so not sure what to do!!!

    Hope you feel better soon mind yourself :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    PJD wrote: »
    Why is EVERYONE around me coughing or sneezing..... Not impressed! Its only gonna get worse as we get closer to the day!!!

    I hear YA everyone in work is smoothered with a cold close to moving desks one of these days !!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    A moment? Are you kidding me woman? You must be made of nails!

    It's like I have tourettes when I'm getting physio or sports massage!

    Went to physio this morning, there were many many teeth gritting moments :D

    On the pre race massage thing, my nice lady person told me that I can go to her on the Thursday before but she wouldn't be going as deep as usual. I'll be going to her weekly now >.<

    Well, that was just the worst moment. There was plenty of clutching at the towels with my fists and a few 'jinkies' exclamations made. :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 Howdylimk


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Hi Howdylimk and welcome :) Never too late to come on board. I'll have a look at that later and get back to you then if that's ok? There are seven questions at the end of the first post, when you get a chance could you fill them in please. The more we know about your running backgrou d, the better placed we are to help :)

    What is your athletics background? Have you run before? What other sports have you taken part in and at what level? Running since 2012. 4 Half Marathons under the belt

    Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
    Feb 2015 10K 54 mins. March 2015 10 mile 1.26. May 2015 Half 1.58

    Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training ? (No problem if you do)
    On the 18 mile yes after 16 miles because I has a niggle.

    How much training do you currently do incl cross training? Distances, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
    Running training only, Yoga & pilates for core work.

    How many days a week do you run only?
    3 Max

    What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
    At this stage just to finish would be great, hoping around 4.40ish.

    What marathon programme are you following/intending to use?
    None specifically, am part of a running group so just following what they are doing.


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