RTE One HD and RTE One+1 launch on Sky

machiavellianme · 08-09-2015 05:42PM

galtee boy wrote: »

According to searches I did for Irish Sky subscriber numbers, which Sky don't actually release, I'm being conservative. Both the Business Post and Irish Times reckon it's closer to 700,000. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Linux boxes need a good level of IT skill for installing software for EPGs etc and wouldn't be a plug and play option for many people ? Also, no Sky Sports, Sky Go, Box Sets etc. It's horses for courses, all I'm saying is that for the hundreds of thousands of us who are happy with Sky, it's great to have RTE1 HD on the way. It will mean that of the Irish terrestrial channels, we will only have 3e and TG4 not available in HD on Sky. TG4 would be nice, but 3e is no loss.

But according to the most recent census, there are only 1.65m households in Ireland. That would mean almost 40% of houses have Sky? Somehow I find that hard to believe. UPC hold a 20% share or thereabouts.
There might be that many sky dishes alright though :pac:

galtee boy · 08-09-2015 05:47PM

machiavellianme wrote: »

But according to the most recent census, there are only 1.65m households in Ireland. That would mean almost 40% of houses have Sky? Somehow I find that hard to believe. UPC hold a 20% share or thereabouts.
There might be that many sky dishes alright though :pac:

I don't know, I'm only going on what the papers are reporting. If you drive around the countryside, it's actually quite difficult to see a house without a Sky/satellite dish attached, but as you say, every dish may not be an active Sky subscriber. I would think that Sky's share would be a good bit higher than UPC though.

lertsnim · 08-09-2015 07:56PM

galtee boy wrote: »

it's actually quite difficult to see a house without a Sky/satellite dish attached, but as you say, every dish may not be an active Sky subscriber.

I know for a fact that where I live 70% of the houses with a Sky mini dish is an ex subscriber. It wouldn't surprise me if it was similar numbers elsewhere. Sky is an absolute rip off and most people have copped on to that a long time ago.

icdg · 08-09-2015 08:24PM

machiavellianme wrote: »

But according to the most recent census, there are only 1.65m households in Ireland. That would mean almost 40% of houses have Sky? Somehow I find that hard to believe. UPC hold a 20% share or thereabouts.
There might be that many sky dishes alright though :pac:

About 380,000 households take some sort of UPC TV package, which would be around the 25% mark.

However, the vast majority of UPC subscribers would be in the ex-NTL franchises, Dublin, Galway, and Waterford, along with Cork and Limerick cities. In Dublin in particular they are still the majority, though nowhere near as dominant as they used to be. Outside these areas it would be the opposite, with satellite dominant in rural areas. Soon, it will no longer be possible to get UPC TV outside of an urban area as MMDS will be switched off.

Wanderer78 · 08-09-2015 08:56PM

id love to know the number of households watching tv by errr emm 'other' means! id say its pretty damn big. think sky tv service is better than upc tv service though. that horizon box is terrible

lertsnim · 08-09-2015 09:23PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

id love to know the number of households watching tv by errr emm 'other' means! id say its pretty damn big.

What amazes me is how many advertise it openly for sale on the likes of Facebook and nothing is ever done to them.

Johnboy1951 · 08-09-2015 09:24PM

I watch Free to Air TV and distribute it throughout the house on Cat5e cable.

I do occasionally try some of the 'other means' such as streams of TV broadcasts, but none are watchable that I have found ..... particularly so for fast moving content such as sport etc..

Wanderer78 wrote:

id love to know the number of households watching tv by errr emm 'other' means! id say its pretty damn big. think sky tv service is better than upc tv service though. that horizon box is terrible

Of the 6 houses near me, 4 have Satellite dishes and at least three of those do not pay a Sky subscription.
Most (if not all) of the dishes were Sky at one time, including my own.

Wanderer78 · 08-09-2015 09:26PM

lertsnim wrote: »

What amazes me is how many advertise it openly for sale on the likes of Facebook and nothing is ever done to them.

thats true actually. risky business though. some lads have been pinched, receiving big fines and prison sentences. i know tons of people receiving these services. must be a lot of people round the country doing it

Wanderer78 · 08-09-2015 09:29PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I do occasionally try some of the 'other means' such as streams of TV broadcasts, but none are watchable that I have found ..... particularly so for fast moving content such as sport etc..

a lot of crap streams out there alright but theres a couple of gems if you keep looking but i suspect you have to pay for the really good ones

mass_debater · 08-09-2015 09:40PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

a lot of crap streams out there alright but theres a couple of gems if you keep looking but i suspect you have to pay for the really good ones

Cardsharing and streams can be glitch free with the right supplier, I know plenty get their sports this way. I'd say Sky are losing an absolute fortune to it compared to what they were making 5 years ago.

galtee boy · 08-09-2015 09:56PM

I got a warning earlier for mentioning VPN's, surely discussing card sharing and illegal streaming is equally a " no no " ? And also, this thread is gone way off topic.

icdg · 08-09-2015 10:44PM

Indeed it has, Wanderer78 can also take a warning.

Galteeboy back seat moderation is also against the charter. I don't work for Boards and even if I did I wouldn't be able to give every thread 24/7 surveillance. Use the report button if you have a problem. I'll give you one more chance but you will get a ban without warning for your next violation in any thread in Cable and Digital

09-09-2015 03:05AM

Anyway, any word if the rte digital radio stations are part of this deal with sky?

Infoanon · 09-09-2015 08:38AM

zorro2566 wrote: »

Anyway, any word if the rte digital radio stations are part of this deal with sky?

No mention in the press release and in recent years RTE has reduced the radio channels on Sky so its unlikely that eg Gold will be added to Sky

09-09-2015 11:26AM

That's a pity,Gold would be great on satellite!

Sam Russell · 09-09-2015 01:12PM

RTE only have four radio channels on satellite - Radio 1, FM2, Lyric, and RnaG.

By the way, is there any chance that RTE do not push the availability of FTA satellite because of this deal with Sky. You rarely hear anyone on RTE advocating FTA satellite on any of the main magazine programmes or on any of the consumer items. Wonder why.

twinklerunner · 09-09-2015 01:15PM

zorro2566 wrote: »

That's a pity,Gold would be great on satellite!

It would also be nice to have the BBC radio stations on the Irish epg, for recording purposes.

ftakeith · 09-09-2015 03:08PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

RTE only have four radio channels on satellite - Radio 1, FM2, Lyric, and RnaG.

By the way, is there any chance that RTE do not push the availability of FTA satellite because of this deal with Sky. You rarely hear anyone on RTE advocating FTA satellite on any of the main magazine programmes or on any of the consumer items. Wonder why.

Irish Times and Irish Independent do tell their readers about saorview and FTA satellite

I have Sky TV in my main TV room

But I have saorview and freesat in 2 other rooms
my freesat has wifi in built humax freesat freetime

sky multi-room is a rip off

Sam Russell · 09-09-2015 03:59PM

ftakeith wrote: »

Irish Times and Irish Independent do tell their readers about saorview and FTA satellite

I have Sky TV in my main TV room

But I have saorview and freesat in 2 other rooms
my freesat has wifi in built humax freesat freetime

sky multi-room is a rip off

The Irish Times assume that one has UPC or Sky from looking at their listings. Most of the Freesat channels are ignored like ITV2, ITV3, and ITV4, Ch 5, while UTVi is positioned between BBC2 and Ch4 instead of between TV3 and BBC 1 which is where I would expect it. They also list Sky 1, Sky Atlantic, History, National Geographic, and Discovery. They also include all Sky sports and Film channels, but do include Film4.

So while their news coverage might mention FTA, their listings do not list them - I assume this is because most of the journos have Sky or UPC and none that matter have FTA or Freesat.

I never read the Indo - even if it is wrapped around a packet of chips.

irishfeen · 09-09-2015 04:02PM

Talks on DS that a HD flagged channel has begun early stages of testing - could be RTÉ One HD!

STB. · 09-09-2015 04:19PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

OK, so the channels are to be carried on the Sky platform.

These are channels to which we have contributed via our licence payment.

Are these channels going to be 'in the clear' so people do not have to pay a second time or are they definitely behind a paywall?

Who gains financially from this arrangement?
If it is RTÉ then will this affect the distribution of the licence monies?

These channels are already available FTA via Saorview and Saorsat.

Under the must offer rule, RTE must offer its channels by alternative platforms if requested. In turn those platforms that request them, cannot charge anymore for them. Its FTV via Sky and UPC, using those platforms proprietary hardware and cards.

Who gains financially ? RTE do not contribute to Sky for allowing them their channels. That's the way its gone. The BBC and ITV no longer pay Sky for TP space. Sky want the content!

Johnboy1951 · 09-09-2015 04:57PM

STB. wrote: »

These channels are already available FTA via Saorview and Saorsat.

Under the must offer rule, RTE must offer its channels by alternative platforms if requested. In turn those platforms that request them, cannot charge anymore for them. Its FTV via Sky and UPC, using those platforms proprietary hardware and cards.

So they will be available FTV on an out of subscription Sky set up?
Just wondering ..... I use FTA only.

Who gains financially ? RTE do not contribute to Sky for allowing them their channels. That's the way its gone. The BBC and ITV no longer pay Sky for TP space. Sky want the content!

The Cush · 09-09-2015 05:11PM

STB. wrote: »

The BBC and ITV no longer pay Sky for TP space. Sky want the content!

The BBC and ITV pay for their own transponders, its the retransmission services provided by Sky they no longer pay for.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48 · 09-09-2015 05:26PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Talks on DS that a HD flagged channel has begun early stages of testing - could be RTÉ One HD!

There are two labels flagged as HD but they are not switched on yet. The frequencies are as follows if anyone wants to keep an eye on tnem 11.537 V 23.0 2/3 DVB-S2 8PSK the label number is 54051 and the other frequency is 11.612 H 23.0 2/3 DVB-S2 8PSK the label is 55401.

total former · 09-09-2015 07:35PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

So they will be available FTV on an out of subscription Sky set up?
Just wondering ..... I use FTA only.

No.

Sam Russell · 09-09-2015 10:24PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

So they will be available FTV on an out of subscription Sky set up?
Just wondering ..... I use FTA only.

You have to pay to get the Free Irish channels.

Johnboy1951 · 09-09-2015 10:26PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

You have to pay to get the Free Irish channels.

total former · 10-09-2015 10:42AM

As per media reports, this deal is costing Sky €1-2 million per annum.

Why would anyone expect them to give the content away for free?

STB. · 10-09-2015 11:52AM

total former wrote: »

As per media reports, this deal is costing Sky €1-2 million per annum.

Why would anyone expect them to give the content away for free?

They cannot charge anymore for it. IE they cannot add it on as an extra (even for HD). Its part of the basic sub.

The only reason they have it in the first instance is that RTE must offer the content under the must offer rule.

The term "free" here is what is causing confusion. Obviously the reason it is encrypted in the first place is due to the programme rights RTE have being restricted to Ireland.

STB. · 10-09-2015 11:56AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

So they will be available FTV on an out of subscription Sky set up?
Just wondering ..... I use FTA only.

Johnboy you knew the answer to that.

FTV once you are a subscriber! You know well that RTE uses encryption on 28.2 and why that is. Unfortunately Sky own that, so whilst Sky cannot charge anymore for these channels, you must be a paid up subscriber!

RTE One HD and RTE One+1 launch on Sky

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