Where are we going to put the refugees?

Streetwalker · 04-09-2015 02:18PM

Wexford96 wrote: »

How many mosques do we need to cater for these 1800 Muslims? Who will pay for their construction?

1800?? we'd be so lucky. The way the liberals are going it will be 10k by the end of the week and 100k by the end of the month. This is pure madness now.

Streetwalker · 04-09-2015 02:20PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

There are plenty of properties lying vacant across the country that could be used.

And before anyone says it, of course these should be open for use by our own homeless too.

I see no reason why both groups shouldn't be accommodated if they want to be.

How the hell will thousands of these people get jobs in the middle of Leitrim or Roscommon?

Leroy42 · 04-09-2015 02:20PM

This is being made out to be EU problem. It is not. It is being allowed, by inaction of others to become EU problem.

Where are the Middle East Countries in this? What is SOuth Africa doing about it? These people are crossing numerous countries to get to EU, which I fully understand, but its not right.

George Osbourne said yesterday, and I agree, that EU did not kill that boy who drowned, isis did. EU are trying, and so far doing a pretty bad job of it, but trying nonetheless to deal with it. Where is US, China etc.

AudreyHepburn · 04-09-2015 02:21PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

How the hell will thousands of these people get jobs in the middle of Leitrim or Roscommon?

By looking outside those two areas obviously....it's not ideal but isn't better than leaving them where they are...stuck in war torn places in fear for their lives?

Annabella1 · 04-09-2015 02:22PM

I can see this refugee influx becoming a long term issue for all of Europe.
People from Africa, Middle East want to come here for a better life and travel/telecommunications have improved
Some are economic migrants Others are refugees like the Syrians currently
Ireland needs a long term strategy to deal with this

BoJack Horseman · 04-09-2015 02:22PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

There are plenty of properties lying vacant across the country that could be used..

It will take time to assess & compulsory purchase these swathes of property though.

CPs are often a slow process & would cost a pretty penny.

Not an option for the here & now.

Maguined · 04-09-2015 02:22PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

There are plenty of properties lying vacant across the country that could be used.

And before anyone says it, of course these should be open for use by our own homeless too.

I see no reason why both groups shouldn't be accommodated if they want to be.

I am not opposed to the idea but I am wondering exactly how this happens? If a property is vacant surely it means the owner either does not want to sell it and is waiting for a better price. Does the government buy all these properties to be used and at what price?

tonycascarino · 04-09-2015 02:23PM

How about Blackrock, Foxrock & Killiney etc. Why places like Leitrim?

Menas · 04-09-2015 02:23PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The Saudi royal family usually stump up for those types of things.

The Saudis are a funny one. Happy to throw money at these problems but they are not taking any of these refugees.
Mind you, the migrants themselves are not exactly sitting at the saudi border wanting to get in. Europe is safer.

Leroy42 · 04-09-2015 02:23PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

By looking outside those two areas obviously....it's not ideal but isn't better than leaving them where they are...stuck in war torn places in fear for their lives?

They aren't stuck in war torn places, not the ones we are seeing. They are in Hungary!!! Many of them don't want Hungary, they want to go somewhere else, hence the debate around refugee or migrant.

Saipanne · 04-09-2015 02:24PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

This is being made out to be EU problem. It is not. It is being allowed, by inaction of others to become EU problem.

Where are the Middle East Countries in this? What is SOuth Africa doing about it? These people are crossing numerous countries to get to EU, which I fully understand, but its not right.

George Osbourne said yesterday, and I agree, that EU did not kill that boy who drowned, isis did. EU are trying, and so far doing a pretty bad job of it, but trying nonetheless to deal with it. Where is US, China etc.

You might want to ask your mate George whose country's actions led to the rise of IS.

He seemed to forget that bit.

Barely There · 04-09-2015 02:24PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

You can be sure it will be far more than 1800 too. The government & EU always tell us the truth. :rolleyes:

Yes, hopefully.

1,800 is pathetically few for us to be taking.
Should have been an immediate commitment for 5,000 and a further review to see if we can accept more.

idnkph · 04-09-2015 02:24PM

eviltwin wrote: »

No, he's talking about two individual families.

Read the comment he made. He would rather the refugees got the houses than the scum that will eventually get them.

Mantis Toboggan · 04-09-2015 02:25PM

Craggy island!!

Bob24 · 04-09-2015 02:26PM

The Honey Monster wrote: »

So many empty houses around the country. Id rather give them to these families rather than the scum of the earth that will eventually get them for free anyway.

So you reckon the best way to welcome/integrate them is to concentrate all of them in estates where no one else wants to live and where there are likely no jobs?

If they are to integrate, they need possible training, jobs, and housing in urban areas. Which obviously has a social and financial impact in places where there already is a housing crisis. Irish society needs to decide what its want: take refugees and dump them somewhere (not good long term unless we are planning on them returning home at some stage), take refugees and turn them into citizens (at a cost and with quite many short term efforts required), or don't take refugees.

foggy_lad · 04-09-2015 02:26PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

How the hell will thousands of these people get jobs in the middle of Leitrim or Roscommon?

Don't ever let them work here or settle here! We are only minding them before we send them back to Syria when the fighting they are so afraid of has finished!

Leroy42 · 04-09-2015 02:27PM

Saipanne wrote: »

You might want to ask your mate George whose country's actions led to the rise of IS.

He seemed to forget that bit.

Right, so it a US problem then? Send them there?

Of course ISIS is at war with the US, or maybe they are at war with everyone that doesn't agree with them.

Far too simple to blame solely the US, although the are far from blameless.

But regardless of all of that, where are the African and Middle East countries? It is only EU problem because that is where these people want to go, regardless of the rules we have in place

Maximus Alexander · 04-09-2015 02:27PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

How about Blackrock, Foxrock & Killiney etc. Why places like Leitrim?

Since you apparently don't know this: property prices in Blackrock, Foxrock and Killiney are actually quite high, so it would be a lot more cost effective to house them elsewhere.

Wexford96 · 04-09-2015 02:28PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The Saudi royal family usually stump up for those types of things.

Really? I never realised the Royals in KSA gave a damn about anyone but themselves. I'd be surprised if they paid for a Shia Mosque to be built. In fact their country is rich and large enough to take all of the refugees from Muslim nations. They speak the same language, practice the same "religion", etc. What role are they playing helping these Syrians?

Help!!!! · 04-09-2015 02:28PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

By looking outside those two areas obviously....it's not ideal but isn't better than leaving them where they are...stuck in war torn places in fear for their lives?

Turkey & Hungary are not war torn.....they don't want to stay there

Pac1Man · 04-09-2015 02:28PM

The Honey Monster wrote: »

So many empty houses around the country. Id rather give them to these families rather than the scum of the earth that will eventually get them for free anyway.

idnkph wrote: »

So everyone on the housing list is a piece of scum?

Can someone confirm if this is a strawman argument? I can never get my head around the concept!

Leroy42 · 04-09-2015 02:28PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Since you apparently don't know this: property prices in Blackrock, Foxrock and Killiney are actually quite high, so it would be a lot more cost effective to house them elsewhere.

It would be more cost effective to not house them at all. What is your point?

Saipanne · 04-09-2015 02:29PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Right, so it a US problem then? Send them there?

Of course ISIS is at war with the US, or maybe they are at war with everyone that doesn't agree with them.

Far too simple to blame solely the US, although the are far from blameless.

But regardless of all of that, where are the African and Middle East countries? It is only EU problem because that is where these people want to go, regardless of the rules we have in place

What other country invaded Iraq. Hmm....

So long ago....

Memory fading....

jon1981 · 04-09-2015 02:29PM

Aran islands...We'd then have a great justification to keep the airplane service! Ok I'm jesting.

On a serious note, we cannot create ghettos or isolated communities. If we are to prevent social break down in later years we need to integrate people into society and not allow toxic communities to develop.

04-09-2015 02:30PM

I find this all very confusing, I must admit.

Maybe I'm completely out of touch (and it's possible I am as I haven't been following this story or any related stories) but how does taking them in benefit anybody?

The picture of the child that drowned, for argument sake, is a picture of a child in clean, new-looking clothes, who doesn't exactly look starved. He looks like most kids would look on an Irish/American/etc. street. The same for all the other refugees I've been seeing on the news, etc. (all in clean, well kept clothes, with related accessories, handbags for women etc).

Why are they having children/families in these places if they're then going to risk killing themselves and their families to escape this war-torn country?

I don't understand the workings of the country/ies they're coming from? Is it just the terrorising from ISIS that's the problem? (ie; has it been a grand place to live until recently?).

What I question most is what the benefits are of taking people in. Other than the immediate short term benefits, it seems like:

1) It's a never ending issue. Of course people will come to Europe if they feel they can get a better quality of life. What do we do in 5 years when the borders are still overrun with people coming in?

2) Assuming it's the terrorising from the ISIS lads that's causing the issue, surely when most of the people have come into the EU, that's where ISIS will then target? They don't seem like the type that will be content in an empty land full of only their own kind?

3) Surely cutting ties with the country (I believe they are armed by other countries) would be a better long-term ideal? That is, a "sit down and figure it out among yourselves" kind of approach?

From what I'm lead to believe (and again I've no real knowledge on this, so I'm hoping that someone will pull me up on my post and tell me where I'm going wrong) but hasn't this been an ongoing problem for years/decades? With no real sign of it stopping (brings me back to point 1) above)?

I can only see it as a way of destabilising things a bit with a sudden surge in population? Everyone wants the EU to take in more refugees, but "can't someone else do it"?

These people signing up to house a refugee.. I wonder how many would have second thoughts if it turned out that was actually what was going to happen and it wasn't just some "look at me, I'm a good person" Facebook nonsense?

Like I say, I'm not entirely clued into the issue, and Ireland seems to have it's own issues (and homelessness isn't one of them, in my opinion!) so I just don't see how we can suddenly accept a bunch of refugees with the "ah, sure it'll be grand" attitude. Seems a tad mind boggling to me, personally. I just don't think economic decisions should be made based on a conveniently timed picture being released to the media.

But again.. maybe I'm just too sceptical or out of touch with it all.

Help!!!! · 04-09-2015 02:31PM

Barely There wrote: »

Yes, hopefully.

1,800 is pathetically few for us to be taking.
Should have been an immediate commitment for 5,000 and a further review to see if we can accept more.

You are joking aint you? How are we going to afford this many people when we have so many homeless here already?

Gatling · 04-09-2015 02:34PM

The Honey Monster wrote: »

So many empty houses around the country. Id rather give them to these families rather than the scum of the earth that will eventually get them for free anyway.

The 100,000 and growing on our housing lists aren't scum of the earth and the social housings isn't for free .

Tabnabs · 04-09-2015 02:34PM

It's big business to accommodate refugees. You don't think the state provides for this do you? Far easier to pay someone else to house and feed them. I'd say there are hotels and other large premises around the country offering their services in return for tax payers hard earned cash. Mosney can accommodate 600 for example. We'll probably see a miraculous fast tracking of the current "asylum seekers" and then install the new lot there and both the liberal elite and blue collar right can move on to their next cause célèbre.

Leroy42 · 04-09-2015 02:34PM

Now we have moved to Iraq? So we need to take in Syrian refugees because US went to war in Iraq?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Iraq wasn't/isn't a total clusterfeck, but I still don't see how us taking in 1800 people is going to help the situation.

It is nothing more than a PR stunt designed to get make the government look caring. Once the furore has died down the populcae will once again be asking why refugess are getting all the free houses, free prames etc

All I am saying is that we have plenty of people already here that need help and attention. Older people are being housed in totally inadequate nursing homes, whole families are depending on Focus and SvP for housing/meals.

Why this sudden rush to be seen to care, for is all this is

jon1981 · 04-09-2015 02:35PM

The real question here is, are we as a nation willing to accept a drop in our living standards and comforts to help fellow man?

Personally I've worked hard, we as a nation we have worked hard since independence to build the economy and society we have, ok it ain't perfect but Im damn well happy with it, all things considered.

However we know we have deficits and spending cuts all over over the shop , are we willing to forego any improvements in these areas to fund 2-3000 migrants?

It's a difficult moral question for me and everyone else here. If the shoe was on the other foot i'd be doing the same thing as those people.

Where are we going to put the refugees?

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