Where are we going to put the refugees?

annascott

It has been announced that Ireland is to triple the amount of Syrian refugees they are letting in.
Does this mean that the housing waiting lists and homeless people here are a figment of our imagination?

eviltwin

An unused hotel in Laois is being utilized I believe to house the first arrivals

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

So many empty houses around the country. Id rather give them to these families rather than the scum of the earth that will eventually get them for free anyway.

howamidifferent

Over 1000 people had signed up to a site yesterday to offer a bed to a refugee. In less than 3 hours...

Drexel

who cares. We will squeeze them in somewhere. Better than leaving them where they are

Neyite

howamidifferent wrote: »

Over 1000 people had signed up to a site yesterday to offer a bed to a refugee. In less than 3 hours...

Which site is this?

idnkph

The Honey Monster wrote: »

So many empty houses around the country. Id rather give them to these families rather than the scum of the earth that will eventually get them for free anyway.

So everyone on the housing list is a piece of scum?
Should you not be back on class at this time?

NachoBusiness

Neyite wrote: »

Which site is this?

www.wouldyoutakeina19yearoldblonderefugee.com

The Backwards Man

Plenty of empty houses around here too, there's no shortage of housing in Ireland, it's a shortage where people choose to live.

annascott

annascott wrote: »

It has been announced that Ireland is to triple the amount of Syrian refugees they are letting in.
Does this mean that the housing waiting lists and homeless people here are a figment of our imagination?

Yes, it does.

As we are offering help in a humanitarian crisis it means that there are no waiting lists, because obviously the two issues are directly linked. Some say they are fighting the war in Syria just to screw around with the Irish housing list. So it's a great point.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

idnkph wrote: »

So everyone on the housing list is a piece of scum?
Should you not be back on class at this time?

Is that what I said?

I live in a quiet estate...what used to be a quiet estate before two of these families moved in (or should I say they were relocated) given a free house The whole place has changed big time over the last year, I can't leave a window down in my car on a hot day for fear it would be robbed, the noise they make at all hours, the parties, the degenerates that associate with them, their horrible kids, the mess they leave everywhere. They don't give a sh1t.

So yeah I'd sooner have refugees there.

BoJack Horseman

From my time in Egypt I remember seeing so many clapped out, ruined Nissan Sunny's & Mazda 323s....

.... So, Roscommon it is then.

c_man

Where are we going to put the refugees?

To work, in our underground sugar caves?

tonycascarino

Hopefully they will be staying in the houses of those who are advocating that they come here.

Streetwalker

The Honey Monster wrote: »

So many empty houses around the country. Id rather give them to these families rather than the scum of the earth that will eventually get them for free anyway.

There are no free houses in Ireland.

Streetwalker

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Plenty of empty houses around here too, there's no shortage of housing in Ireland, it's a shortage where people choose to live.

And the fugees will all find jobs there I suppose.

howamidifferent

Neyite wrote: »

Which site is this?

This

https://uplift.ie/pledge-bed/

Streetwalker

20k at a minimum?? Is this guy on drugs? Happy pills? Has he been watching the news for the last few years in Ireland?

Wexford96

Put them in the neighborhoods of the do-gooder/liberal politicians who are giving them the cead mile failte.

BoJack Horseman

howamidifferent wrote: »

This

https://uplift.ie/pledge-bed/

Will the government be using this "independent" campaign site to house asylum seekers?

biko

annascott wrote: »

It has been announced that Ireland is to triple the amount of Syrian refugees they are letting in.

Source http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0904/725569-ireland-refugees/

Taoiseach says Ireland may accept more than 1,800 refugees

It was initially 600.

idnkph

The Honey Monster wrote: »

Is that what I said?

I live in a quiet estate...what used to be a quiet estate before two of these families moved in (or should I say they were relocated) given a free house The whole place has changed big time over the last year, I can't leave a window down in my car on a hot day for fear it would be robbed, the noise they make at all hours, the parties, the degenerates that associate with them, their horrible kids, the mess they leave everywhere. They don't give a sh1t.

So yeah I'd sooner have refugees there.

Your tarring everyone with the same brush tho. Very judgemental.
Who's to say the refugees won't do the same as the 2 families that have moved in beside you?
Your generalising. I'd say you have an opinion on most "groups".
Maybe, just maybe you were unlucky to get the 2 families you did.
There are a few families in my estate that were given their houses for free and they don't fit the stereotype you judge everyone on.
Also if you don't want the scum getting the houses and you would rather refugees getting them, please tell us who are the scum?

Leroy42

Typical Irish. Not a bad thing to offer beds etc but what about our homeless here? not sexy enough for people?

And how long do people expect the refugees to stay with them? Will it be rent free. What about food, clothes, education, cash for living?

And exactly where are we going to put them. Disused hotels in Leitrim? Why should they accept that, they don't accept that they have to stay in Hungary so you can bet that they will want to housed close to each other, not too far from the local town.

So where to get these houses? The local authorities don't have them. Or maybe, we can kick out anybody currently getting SW rent for over, say 2 years, to make way for these more deserving people.

We are already spending huge amounts of money on foreign aid and now the Navy vessels in the Med.

Do we give full rights to them when they arrive or simply stick them in the direct provision nightmare we have created. Do they get access to schools, healthcare.

By all means, bring them over here to let them get some sort of calm after the horrific experience they have been through. After 6 months they either go back home or back to the first country they entered the EU. Thats the law, its the law we all have to deal with and simply throwing yourself on a railtrack or refusing to get off a train that doesn't go where you want it to go doesn't change that.

eviltwin

idnkph wrote: »

Your tarring everyone with the same brush tho. Very judgemental.
Who's to say the refugees won't do the same as the 2 families that have moved in beside you?
Your generalising. I'd say you have an opinion on most "groups".
Maybe, just maybe you were unlucky to get the 2 families you did.
There are a few families in my estate that were given their houses for free and they don't fit the stereotype you judge everyone on.
Also if you don't want the scum getting the houses and you would rather refugees getting them, please tell us who are the scum?

No, he's talking about two individual families.

tonycascarino

biko wrote: »

Source http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0904/725569-ireland-refugees/

It was initially 600.

You can be sure it will be far more than 1800 too. The government & EU always tell us the truth. :rolleyes:

Wexford96

How many mosques do we need to cater for these 1800 Muslims? Who will pay for their construction?

corner of hells

Streetwalker wrote: »

There are no free houses in Ireland.

In the interest of internet hysteria, there are free houses.

Alexis Sanchez

Wexford96 wrote: »

Put them in the neighborhoods of the do-gooder/liberal politicians who are giving them the cead mile failte.

Exactly, home them in housing estate/neighbourhood of every Labour, Sinn Fein, Socialist Party, PBP and Fine Gael TD and we'll how keen these politicians are on multiculturalism.

Of course, that won't happen, they'll be dumps in working class areas and we'll be on the road towards having the same social problems Sweden, France and the UK are having.

Richard Hillman

Wexford96 wrote: »

How many mosques do we need to cater for these 1800 Muslims? Who will pay for their construction?

The Saudi royal family usually stump up for those types of things.

AudreyHepburn

There are plenty of properties lying vacant across the country that could be used.

And before anyone says it, of course these should be open for use by our own homeless too.

I see no reason why both groups shouldn't be accommodated if they want to be.

foggy_lad

I say we should deport any of the ungrateful bastards who are currently in Direct provision reception centres and complaining about the conditions and how Irish People are feeding and clothing them and also giving them money and free health care and education and we will have plenty of room for this new intake!

Streetwalker

Wexford96 wrote: »

How many mosques do we need to cater for these 1800 Muslims? Who will pay for their construction?

1800?? we'd be so lucky. The way the liberals are going it will be 10k by the end of the week and 100k by the end of the month. This is pure madness now.

Streetwalker

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

There are plenty of properties lying vacant across the country that could be used.

And before anyone says it, of course these should be open for use by our own homeless too.

I see no reason why both groups shouldn't be accommodated if they want to be.

How the hell will thousands of these people get jobs in the middle of Leitrim or Roscommon?

Leroy42

This is being made out to be EU problem. It is not. It is being allowed, by inaction of others to become EU problem.

Where are the Middle East Countries in this? What is SOuth Africa doing about it? These people are crossing numerous countries to get to EU, which I fully understand, but its not right.

George Osbourne said yesterday, and I agree, that EU did not kill that boy who drowned, isis did. EU are trying, and so far doing a pretty bad job of it, but trying nonetheless to deal with it. Where is US, China etc.

AudreyHepburn

Streetwalker wrote: »

How the hell will thousands of these people get jobs in the middle of Leitrim or Roscommon?

By looking outside those two areas obviously....it's not ideal but isn't better than leaving them where they are...stuck in war torn places in fear for their lives?

Annabella1

I can see this refugee influx becoming a long term issue for all of Europe.
People from Africa, Middle East want to come here for a better life and travel/telecommunications have improved
Some are economic migrants Others are refugees like the Syrians currently
Ireland needs a long term strategy to deal with this

BoJack Horseman

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

There are plenty of properties lying vacant across the country that could be used..

It will take time to assess & compulsory purchase these swathes of property though.

CPs are often a slow process & would cost a pretty penny.

Not an option for the here & now.

Maguined

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

There are plenty of properties lying vacant across the country that could be used.

And before anyone says it, of course these should be open for use by our own homeless too.

I see no reason why both groups shouldn't be accommodated if they want to be.

I am not opposed to the idea but I am wondering exactly how this happens? If a property is vacant surely it means the owner either does not want to sell it and is waiting for a better price. Does the government buy all these properties to be used and at what price?

tonycascarino

How about Blackrock, Foxrock & Killiney etc. Why places like Leitrim?

Menas

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The Saudi royal family usually stump up for those types of things.

The Saudis are a funny one. Happy to throw money at these problems but they are not taking any of these refugees.
Mind you, the migrants themselves are not exactly sitting at the saudi border wanting to get in. Europe is safer.

Leroy42

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

By looking outside those two areas obviously....it's not ideal but isn't better than leaving them where they are...stuck in war torn places in fear for their lives?

They aren't stuck in war torn places, not the ones we are seeing. They are in Hungary!!! Many of them don't want Hungary, they want to go somewhere else, hence the debate around refugee or migrant.

Saipanne

Leroy42 wrote: »

This is being made out to be EU problem. It is not. It is being allowed, by inaction of others to become EU problem.

Where are the Middle East Countries in this? What is SOuth Africa doing about it? These people are crossing numerous countries to get to EU, which I fully understand, but its not right.

George Osbourne said yesterday, and I agree, that EU did not kill that boy who drowned, isis did. EU are trying, and so far doing a pretty bad job of it, but trying nonetheless to deal with it. Where is US, China etc.

You might want to ask your mate George whose country's actions led to the rise of IS.

He seemed to forget that bit.

Barely There

tonycascarino wrote: »

You can be sure it will be far more than 1800 too. The government & EU always tell us the truth. :rolleyes:

Yes, hopefully.

1,800 is pathetically few for us to be taking.
Should have been an immediate commitment for 5,000 and a further review to see if we can accept more.

idnkph

eviltwin wrote: »

No, he's talking about two individual families.

Read the comment he made. He would rather the refugees got the houses than the scum that will eventually get them.

Mantis Toboggan

Craggy island!!

Bob24

The Honey Monster wrote: »

So many empty houses around the country. Id rather give them to these families rather than the scum of the earth that will eventually get them for free anyway.

So you reckon the best way to welcome/integrate them is to concentrate all of them in estates where no one else wants to live and where there are likely no jobs?

If they are to integrate, they need possible training, jobs, and housing in urban areas. Which obviously has a social and financial impact in places where there already is a housing crisis. Irish society needs to decide what its want: take refugees and dump them somewhere (not good long term unless we are planning on them returning home at some stage), take refugees and turn them into citizens (at a cost and with quite many short term efforts required), or don't take refugees.

foggy_lad

Streetwalker wrote: »

How the hell will thousands of these people get jobs in the middle of Leitrim or Roscommon?

Don't ever let them work here or settle here! We are only minding them before we send them back to Syria when the fighting they are so afraid of has finished!

Leroy42

Saipanne wrote: »

You might want to ask your mate George whose country's actions led to the rise of IS.

He seemed to forget that bit.

Right, so it a US problem then? Send them there?

Of course ISIS is at war with the US, or maybe they are at war with everyone that doesn't agree with them.

Far too simple to blame solely the US, although the are far from blameless.

But regardless of all of that, where are the African and Middle East countries? It is only EU problem because that is where these people want to go, regardless of the rules we have in place

Maximus Alexander

tonycascarino wrote: »

How about Blackrock, Foxrock & Killiney etc. Why places like Leitrim?

Since you apparently don't know this: property prices in Blackrock, Foxrock and Killiney are actually quite high, so it would be a lot more cost effective to house them elsewhere.

Wexford96

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The Saudi royal family usually stump up for those types of things.

Really? I never realised the Royals in KSA gave a damn about anyone but themselves. I'd be surprised if they paid for a Shia Mosque to be built. In fact their country is rich and large enough to take all of the refugees from Muslim nations. They speak the same language, practice the same "religion", etc. What role are they playing helping these Syrians?

Help!!!!

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

By looking outside those two areas obviously....it's not ideal but isn't better than leaving them where they are...stuck in war torn places in fear for their lives?

Turkey & Hungary are not war torn.....they don't want to stay there