"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

04-09-2015 12:34AM

There are also over half a million ukrainian refugees in Russia since they started the conflict there

My name is URL · 04-09-2015 12:39AM

dubscottie wrote: »

True

And where is Russia? The greatest country ever going by some folks here?

How many are they going to foot the bill for?

About 1,000 have already been granted asylum in Russia since the beginning of the conflict, and another 5,000 are settled there awaiting it.

JONJO THE MISER · 04-09-2015 12:42AM

buried wrote: »

This whole cluster**** of a situation is the sole responsibility of the combined regime's of the USA and Saudi Arabia. These two regimes need to take some responsibility for their actions over the last 10 years, especially the USA. Whatever amount of refugees Europe takes in, the US and the UK should take in double that amount. If they won't, then rip up whatever contract holds NATO together because if they don't/won't, what is the point of NATO? Why is Europe shouldering the after effects of the USA/UK's illegal invasion of Iraq and the total destabilisation of the Middle East which has turned Iraq/Syria into a borderless theatre of total extreme violence?

Watching college football at the moment and they were giving a big shout out to the troops and what they do for there country the USA, yeah like destabilise the whole middle east and lets us in Europe deal with the human cost of it with millions of refugees.
I think people will find patience is wearing thin with the U.S and there foreign policy here in Europe and this is coming from someone who usually would support the U.S.

The Backwards Man · 04-09-2015 12:43AM

mdwexford wrote: »

Read the first five pages, giving up now.

Pretty sickening the lack of compassion and the way people have become desensitised to atrocities such as this.

How anyone can look at that picture and say they feel nothing or don't care says a lot about what is wrong.

In fairness it's only a handful of posters spouting the same claptrap over and over again, some of them I suspect are even copying and pasting their posts, but I can't really be bothered reading back over their hysterical rhetoric a second time, once is usually enough.

dubscottie · 04-09-2015 12:46AM

My name is URL wrote: »

About 1,000 have already been granted asylum in Russia since the beginning of the conflict, and another 5,000 are settled there awaiting it.

Well that's alot of people.. Good old Russia..

Faith+1 · 04-09-2015 12:48AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Watching college football at the moment and they were giving a big shout out to the troops and what they do for there country the USA, yeah like destabilise the whole middle east and lets us in Europe deal with the human cost of it with millions of refugees.
I think people will find patience is wearing thin with the U.S and there foreign policy here in Europe and this is coming from someone who usually would support the U.S.

Let's not forget the British too. They go in with the Americans and destabilize the whole middle east and it's left to us and the rest of Europe to solve the ensuing crisis.

We won't be seeing the US taking their fair share of refugees any day soon.

My name is URL · 04-09-2015 12:48AM

dubscottie wrote: »

Well that's alot of people.. Good old Russia..

It's 6,000 more than you had ignorantly assumed they had taken

If the best argument you lot can come up with is 'what are others doing' then you're already losing

foggy_lad · 04-09-2015 12:50AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

This is the point isn't it? Children are dying in Syria right now. Probably tens of thousands have died in the last 4 years but suddenly the solution is to allow hundreds of thousands...possibly millions...to settle in the EU? Nobody is blind to the pain of the father of these kids but the wider context has to be considered rather than letting emotive arguments bulldoze discussion.

Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar have the military capability to move on Syria and end Daesh occupation there but they all are too busy playing their own angles to actually solve the problem. The Turks want to stifle any chance of Kurdish advancement, the Saudis and other arab gulf states want to screw the Shia (and Alawaite) in the region and the Jordanians are sh*****g themselves that their own people would rebel against them if they took on other Sunni muslims.

Don't make this all about Syria and polits etc because it is more about illegal economic migrants wanting to travel freely throughout Europe and further afield.

If Europe takes ten million ALL Syrian refugees tomorrow there will still be the same number of people dying daily trying to get from Africa and turkey into Europe, and all of them claiming to be on fear for their lives and fleeing oppression and certain death in Syria

dubscottie · 04-09-2015 12:54AM

My name is URL wrote: »

It's 6,000 more than you had ignorantly assumed they had taken

If the best argument you lot can come up with is 'what are others doing' then you're already losing

I don't care what your opinion is, but stop attacking me. The post not the poster..

Bellend

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2015 12:56AM

The influx back in the day has now been seen for what it is (or was).

And the result of that means that people are far more sceptical now.

Who is to blame for this? Government policy, open borders, let them in.

So now we are expected to believe that all those we will invite are genuine?

This is the legacy of failed policies in the past regarding so called asylum seekers.

But you will not hear any opposing views on MSM now will you? Let them all in again. Sure why not, we are a great nation. My God.

dubscottie · 04-09-2015 01:00AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The influx back in the day has now been seen for what it is (or was).

And the result of that means that people are far more sceptical now.

Who is to blame for this? Government policy, open borders, let them in.

So now we are expected to believe that all those we will invite are genuine?

This is the legacy of failed policies in the past regarding so called asylum seekers.

But you will not hear any opposing views on MSM now will you? Let them all in again. Sure why not, we are a great nation. My God.

What government are you on about? We don't have "open borders""..

smurgen · 04-09-2015 01:04AM

dubscottie wrote: »

This has being going on for yonks.. The "Oh think of the children brigade" are jumping on it now.

And they are not just coming from Syria. All over North Africa.

I don't care what people think. We cannot afford to take in thousands of "people" and give them homes, welfare, healthcare etc.

Its been in the news for a long time and only now are people giving a **** because a dead kid was in the papers.

Wake up.

No doubt some charity will have the chuggers out soon for this "crisis" and will be taking 20% of any donations..

How do you know? Are you an expert in anything related to the subject at hand? My guess is not.

RWCNT · 04-09-2015 01:15AM

dubscottie wrote: »

I don't care what people think. We cannot afford to take in thousands of "people" and give them homes, welfare, healthcare etc.

The word people in quotation marks! Top notch stuff.

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2015 01:18AM

dubscottie wrote: »

What government are you on about? We don't have "open borders""..

The FF Government, they allowed all and sundry in on the pretext of asylum.

Babies were then made to ensure citizenship.

The referendum on citizenship put a stop to that sharpish. We are not a stupid nation, although we are very kind and humanitarian.

When it is warranted.

My point was that the antics of allowing Nigerians here for example was so flawed that people here are sceptical now. And rightly so.

asherbassad · 04-09-2015 02:42AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

In fairness it's only a handful of posters spouting the same claptrap over and over again, some of them I suspect are even copying and pasting their posts, but I can't really be bothered reading back over their hysterical rhetoric a second time, once is usually enough.

It does seem extraordinarily convenient that this image of a child is making the headlines and swirling around the world whipping up waves of emotion. Allegedly the child's parents also perished yet some news report instantly knew the child was three.
Why no photos of pregnant women fleeing the carnage in Syria miscarrying at the side of the road? Why no images of 4 year olds dashing to the trees with their mothers as tear gas canisters rain down all over the place from Hungarian border "guards"....you know....those who begged for safe passage in 1956, a mere 12 years after they sent thousands of Magyar gypsies to Birkenau, now here they are....members of the "EU" whose shining credo is to protect the weak and uphold the highest standards of human rights and they're building razor wire and chasing women and toddlers and terrorising them out of the place where they might rest for a little while away from the horror they've not only escaped but have had to endure just to get a somewhere safe.

But of course....there could be a terrorist in that boat that capsized whereby everyone died so toughen up and to hell with the weak and wretched.

04-09-2015 04:10AM

asherbassad wrote: »

It does seem extraordinarily convenient that this image of a child is making the headlines and swirling around the world whipping up waves of emotion. Allegedly the child's parents also perished yet some news report instantly knew the child was three.

Eh? I'll bet the boy's family don't think the image is "extraordinarily convenient". Far from it I'd say

Nodin · 04-09-2015 04:55AM

asherbassad wrote: »

It does seem extraordinarily convenient that this image of a child is making the headlines and swirling around the world whipping up waves of emotion. Allegedly the child's parents also perished yet some news report instantly knew the child was three.
..............

The father survived.

JustTheOne · 04-09-2015 06:26AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

How will they support themselves ? Has one a magic house and jobs tree ?

Paul Murphy and Sinn Fein do and their suggesting taking in as many as possible:)

jank · 04-09-2015 06:40AM

efb wrote: »

Ian O'Doherty doing his usual trolling in the indo. Oz system is great- great for whom? Not those seeking refuge, and puts the burden on other poorer countries in the region

Well it is great that people are not drowning any more in their hundreds or thousands in the Indian Ocean don't you think. The Australian measure has saved many a young child's life to be blunt.

Also Australia per capita is 3rd in the world in terms of accepting refugees.

JustTheOne · 04-09-2015 07:30AM

I'm all for helping now. We should take more in.

But anyone think this is worrying or is it hyperbole?

Isis have said they have successfully smuggled in 4000 fighters to Europe.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

04-09-2015 07:44AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

What would you have us do? Should we bombard Liveline tomorrow and cry our eyes out on the air for 1 child out of the millions who have died in conflict

I presumed Liveline has been bombarded with the "dare taking all or jobs an comin here for da dole an the price of milk will go up Joe an we can't afford it an wha about da Irish homeless an we should look after or own" brigade too?

BoJack Horseman · 04-09-2015 08:21AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I'm all for helping now. We should take more in.

But anyone think this is worrying or is it hyperbole?

Isis have said they have successfully smuggled in 4000 fighters to Europe.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

Probably hyperbole.

But ISIS do have 5-6,000 fighters from Europe in their ranks, but I'm sure many are either dead or staying put.

A symptom of previous large scale Muslim immigration.

But we have to delude ourselves that there is nothing to worry about folks, This time that taking in 40,000+ rather angry young Muslim men per month will just be tickety-boo!

Streetwalker · 04-09-2015 08:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I presumed Liveline has been bombarded with the "dare taking all or jobs an comin here for da dole an the price of milk will go up Joe an we can't afford it an wha about da Irish homeless an we should look after or own" brigade too?

In fact no. Liveline has been incredibly one sided pro fugees. Duffy didn't allow a single caller on yesterday with a view that didn't run with his agenda this despite the fact from what ive heard people are 50/50 on if we should be allowing them in at all.

04-09-2015 08:32AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

In fact no. Liveline has been incredibly one sided pro fugees. Duffy didn't allow a single caller on yesterday with a view that didn't run with his agenda this despite the fact from what ive heard people are 50/50 on if we should be allowing them in at all.

Jaysis.

Not even let on Joe Duffy! That must be some kinda record!

You'd think one of then would have the ability to articulate their position.

fyfe79 · 04-09-2015 08:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jaysis.

Not even let on Joe Duffy! That must be some kinda record!

You'd think one of then would have the ability to articulate their position.

Callers are always vetted before being allowed on air. Nothing to do with your articulation, if RTE simply decide they do not favour your argument then you're not getting air time.

efb · 04-09-2015 08:39AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

We have 90k on our housing waiting list here. Where are we going to house these people and should they jump up the list because they are from Syria? The simple fact is we don't have the room for them.

How many are on the housing list soley to qualify for Rent Allowance?

FelineOverLord · 04-09-2015 08:41AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I'm all for helping now. We should take more in.

But anyone think this is worrying or is it hyperbole?

Isis have said they have successfully smuggled in 4000 fighters to Europe.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

Well, if you were a terrorist organisation would you be trying to sneak terrorists in through border controlled airports/ports or would you be sending them in mixed amongst 'refugees' were no questions are asked? I'm sick of the media frenzy using inflammatory language to put a bias in favour of illegal immigrants. All the Sky news coverage is highlighting for me is that the majority of so called refugees seem to be men under the age of 40. Funny that. I 100% agree with the Hungarian Prime Minister and if the image of a dead child on a beach wasn't constantly being forced on the public this surge of sympathy wouldn't be happening.

efb · 04-09-2015 08:41AM

jank wrote: »

Well it is great that people are not drowning any more in their hundreds or thousands in the Indian Ocean don't you think. The Australian measure has saved many a young child's life to be blunt.

Also Australia per capita is 3rd in the world in terms of accepting refugees.

Out of sight is out of mind, eh? Australia now accepts 0 refugees - it houses them elsewhere

asteroids over berlin · 04-09-2015 08:45AM

Whilst i sympathise with these people, i have got to ask, why do they not seek asylum in the "wealthy" Arab countries which they share the same religion with, it would appear their fellow muslim brethren do not want them and push them over to us in Europe - bit bizarre.
The world needs to arm up against ISIS and take them out - easier said than done but a lot more can be done than what is being done now, which in turn is causing this mass migration!

Sincere wishes to these people but this mass migration is going to cause a whole lot more problems for europe in the future, particularly Germany with such high numbers of Asylum seekers - neonazism returns etc

FelineOverLord · 04-09-2015 08:51AM

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

Whilst i sympathise with these people, i have got to ask, why do they not seek asylum in the "wealthy" Arab countries which they share the same religion with, it would appear their fellow muslim brethren do not want them and push them over to us in Europe - bit bizarre.
The world needs to arm up against ISIS and take them out - easier said than done but a lot more can be done than what is being done now, which in turn is causing this mass migration!

Sincere wishes to these people but this mass migration is going to cause a whole lot more problems for europe in the future, particularly Germany with such high numbers of Asylum seekers - neonazism returns etc

Lets see how happy the German people are in a years time when they have had a year of unemployed young men wandering the streets in groups. When crime is up dramatically because the 'refugees' need money. When there's an increase in rape and when there are tented shanty villages scattered around. That's before we even factor in the neo Nazi element. I'd also question Germanys rational for taking in 800 thousand of them. What exactly are they proposing to do with them and where will the money come from to accomodate, feed, clothe, educate and provide medical care for them?

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