DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

This Fat Girl Runs · 01-09-2015 11:39AM

I woke up this morning thinking I was going to have get to run tonight, only to realise it's Tuesday, not Wednesday! :P

Edited so it reads the positive way I meant for it to read!

Toulouse · 01-09-2015 12:04PM

DG, calf is okay where it was hurting for the race. After the LSR my Soleus is sore to rub but not to run on so am stretching, rolling and tiger balming it.

8 miles done this morning @ 11:11/mi. Pacing a bit all over the shop.

11:49
11:40
11:18
11:04
10:52
10:47
11:23
10:49

Now to rest until 16 miles on Thursday morning!!

ultraman1 · 01-09-2015 12:15PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

I woke up this morning thinking I was going to have to run tonight, only to realise it's Tuesday, not Wednesday! :P

Running isnt punishment,its not somthing you have to do.. so if its somthing u dont enjoy dont do it,.life is too short

ratracer · 01-09-2015 12:24PM

ultraman1 wrote: »

Running isnt punishment,its not somthing you have to do.. so if its somthing u dont enjoy dont do it,.life is too short

I'd tend to disagree somewhat.....I'm only doing this years marathon because it's been on my bucket list for some time. While I am quite enjoying the training program, probably because of all the good advice, encouragement and enthusiasm on this forum, come November I'll happily get back on my bike and never run again!! (Or very little anyway). Sometimes its about setting uncomfortable goals just to challenge the body and mind!!:) Not everyone's a natural runner!

tunguska · 01-09-2015 12:34PM

ultraman1 wrote: »

Running isnt punishment,its not somthing you have to do.. so if its somthing u dont enjoy dont do it,.life is too short

100%. Its not something you have to do its something you look forward to doing. If its a chore or a drudgery then you've missed the point.

Kerry Gooner · 01-09-2015 12:34PM

Handy 4 mile run yesterday after tough 15 mile at the weekend

10.06
10.52
11.32
11.08

This Fat Girl Runs · 01-09-2015 12:46PM

ultraman1 wrote: »

Running isnt punishment,its not somthing you have to do.. so if its somthing u dont enjoy dont do it,.life is too short

tunguska wrote: »

100%. Its not something you have to do its something you look forward to doing. If its a chore or a drudgery then you've missed the point.

I knew I should've gone back to edit my post! Not sure why you think it was a negative one :P

So if I had edited it, this is what I would have added: I just thought it was funny and wanted to share because a) I woke up thinking about running and b) I wished it HAD been Wednesday!

kit3 · 01-09-2015 12:49PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

I woke up thinking about running and b) I wished it HAD been Wednesday!

If you feel that way I'd make Tuesday a run day too - a short slow run can only help

01-09-2015 01:53PM

ratracer wrote: »

I'd tend to disagree somewhat.....I'm only doing this years marathon because it's been on my bucket list for some time. While I am quite enjoying the training program, probably because of all the good advice, encouragement and enthusiasm on this forum, come November I'll happily get back on my bike and never run again!! (Or very little anyway). Sometimes its about setting uncomfortable goals just to challenge the body and mind!!:) Not everyone's a natural runner!

I don't agree with this but every one is different. I found when I got back running it was a punishment for a while but I knew that would soon change as I got fitter. I wouldn't try a marathon or any race if I didn't get some joy from running. Are you running long?

yaboya1 · 01-09-2015 02:00PM

6781 wrote: »

I don't agree with this but every one is different. I found when I got back running it was a punishment for a while but I knew that would soon change as I got fitter. I wouldn't try a marathon or any race if I didn't get some joy from running. Are you running long?

+1

If you don't like running, the marathon will be utter hell.
Take this from someone who does like running.

smashiner · 01-09-2015 02:20PM

yaboya1 wrote: »

+1

If you don't like running, the marathon will be utter hell.
Take this from someone who does like running.

I think that we can all agree that it will be great 'fun' and 'tough' too....otherwise everyone would be able to run a Marathon.......we are soooo fit

aquinn · 01-09-2015 02:22PM

smashiner wrote: »

I think that we can all agree that it will be great 'fun' and 'tough' too....otherwise everyone would be able to run a Marathon.......we are soooo fit

Poor Smash, close enough to how I found you last year and here you are again.

smashiner · 01-09-2015 02:31PM

aquinn wrote: »

Poor Smash, close enough to how I found you last year and here you are again.

Yep.....I think that I was in worse shape than this guy when you met me...still don't know how I managed to get home in one piece.....reckon the Jelly Babies were my saviour......and being too stubborn/thick to give up :rolleyes:.

Gonna kick it's ass this year!! :pac::D:D:D

aquinn · 01-09-2015 02:45PM

smashiner wrote: »

Yep.....I think that I was in worse shape than this guy when you met me...still don't know how I managed to get home in one piece.....reckon the Jelly Babies were my saviour......and being too stubborn/thick to give up :rolleyes:.

Gonna kick it's ass this year!! :pac::D:D:D

Excellent, I really hope so. Move the family out this time so no man flu!
What plan are you following?
Still disgusted with your biro penned into your t-shirt and my fancy printed t-shirt and everyone shouting for you as your name was on the front. LEARN FROM THIS NOVICES. Names on front and not back of t-shirt.

ratracer · 01-09-2015 03:30PM

6781 wrote: »

I don't agree with this but every one is different. I found when I got back running it was a punishment for a while but I knew that would soon change as I got fitter. I wouldn't try a marathon or any race if I didn't get some joy from running. Are you running long?

I think you missed my point a little bit. I'm not finding the running punishing, I just said that I don't particularly mind if I don't run again after this marathon. Part of the challenge for me is setting a goal, selecting a suitable means to achieve that goal and go and do it. In this instance the goal is the marathon, this forum and training plan is the means to achieve it. I have a lot of background in triathlon (which I started as a way of learning to swim properly) up to half ironman distance, but cycling is my preferred sport, and I will return to that after the marathon.

I was just making the point to ultraman that it's not just runners that do marathons, some of us can just do crazy things every now and again!!

smashiner · 01-09-2015 03:31PM

aquinn wrote: »

Excellent, I really hope so. Move the family out this time so no man flu!
What plan are you following?
Still disgusted with your biro penned into your t-shirt and my fancy printed t-shirt and everyone shouting for you as your name was on the front. LEARN FROM THIS NOVICES. Names on front and not back of t-shirt.

Ahem....that was really expensive permanent black marker no less....good Nike top ruined but worth it

. People knew your name after you ran past them......he he.

I am following a plan in Irish Runner, very similar to a lot of others in that there are small runs during the week and one LSR at the weekend. I also joined a gym and I am swimming 2-3 times a week and using the cross trainer a little bit too as an alternative to some of the shorter runs (minding my dodgy ankle).

The plan is the same a last year time wise....Plan A is 3:59:59, Plan B is 4:15 and Plan C is not to end up in the First Aid hut on Roebuck Road....again:eek:

ratracer · 01-09-2015 03:32PM

Can someone more knowledgable then me have a look at the google spreadsheet? there are no names in for week 11 on my view?

Thanks

Kennyg71 · 01-09-2015 03:56PM

Neady83 wrote: »

I find the same Kennyg, falling out of bed and slipping my feet straight into runners really messes with my run times. On race days or long run days, I get up and have breakfast at least 2 hours before I run and I'm fine but weekday runs before work are a little more difficult

Same here on long runs & race days, just mid-week earlies before work
a pain, have to fight my self to slow down.

FBOT01 · 01-09-2015 04:00PM

ratracer wrote: »

I think you missed my point a little bit. I'm not finding the running punishing, I just said that I don't particularly mind if I don't run again after this marathon. Part of the challenge for me is setting a goal, selecting a suitable means to achieve that goal and go and do it. In this instance the goal is the marathon, this forum and training plan is the means to achieve it. I have a lot of background in triathlon (which I started as a way of learning to swim properly) up to half ironman distance, but cycling is my preferred sport, and I will return to that after the marathon.

I was just making the point to ultraman that it's not just runners that do marathons, some of us can just do crazy things every now and again!!

Ah it all makes sense now

nop98 · 01-09-2015 04:27PM

A bit of a light note to contrast all the "punishment" talk.

You may have heard that Van the Man had his 70th birthday earlier this week. As a result I was listening to his classic hits all day yesterday and this morning, including "Brown Eyed Girl". You know at the very end of the song, where he repeats the chorus ("do you remember when // we used to sing // sha-la la la la") and he intersperses that with "bit by bit by bit by bit by bit".

At lunchtime, I went out for 8M easy, and I can proudly say, I have a new running mantra! It turns out that I can keep humming to myself "bit by bit by bit by bit by bit by bit" for 8 miles and probably a lot further. It's exactly the right rythm for my strides, such as they are. I was flying along! At easy pace, I hasten to add.

This was the most enjoyable run ever, just with a song in my head (obviously not using headphones). Thanks Van!

In the very unlikely case you don't know this song, it's here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfmkgQRmmeE. All-time classic favourite, 4th most played song on the radio in the US last year, not bad for an almost 50 years old.

Emsy 1 · 01-09-2015 04:41PM

ratracer wrote: »

Can someone more knowledgable then me have a look at the google spreadsheet? there are no names in for week 11 on my view?

Thanks

I just added in my name in my usual slot hope that was ok to do !!

Dubgal72 · 01-09-2015 04:54PM

JacEim wrote: »

Credit to Michael Jordan for my quote, can't claim it

Ah sure I'm sure MJ will turn a blind eye to your plagiarism

diego_b wrote: »

She very much approved of approach we are taking here and with the structured training we're all doing. Some of her regular clients are doing mad things like taking pain killers whilst running...and multiple times on a run.

I catch any of ye doing that (and I will.....) .....:mad: :mad:

Pink11 wrote: »

So good to have you back. Your posts always have me fired up!

Thanks! I've felt really guilty all evening alright but tried to use the time wisely and did more food prep for the week and laid out my running gear for the week. I'm so sad :P

Yeah, will need to re-think my schedule. I might try and do a LSR some morning before work and see how that goes. I'm literally in shock at how quickly it's getting dark now. :eek:

Anyone who does this, do you find yourself shattered at work that day?

Hehe love the runners organisational ocd

A lsr is going to leave you pretty wrecked, work or no work. I generally factor in some horizontal-on-the-sofa-parenting on Sunday afternoons so Mrs Mc you're not alone! Can you rejig your schedule so you do it on your day off?

ZV Yoda wrote: »

A tough-ish start to the week for me. After my 15 mile lsr on Sat, I rested on Sun. I did my 4 mile yesterday am & I found it tough. Legs were heavy & it felt like I was carrying a sack of spuds on my back. My stomach wasn't great either, which didn't help. Definitely one of those runs I was just glad to bank & move on.

Yesterday evening, I noticed a pain developing in the outside sole of my foot. Not a stabbing pain, more of dull ache. It was sore to walk on. It didn't feel so bad this am, so I did my 8 mile mid-week run. Legs didn't feel as heavy as yesterday, but after about 4 miles, that pain in the sole of my foot came back. Not so bad that I had to stop, but it was definitely on the higher-end of the "niggle scale". I ran on grass where I could & these seemed to keep it at bay. Something to keep an eye on.

Rest tomorrow, then I tackle my (pre-Electric Picnic) 16 mile lsr on Thurs night. Very apprehensive about that one so soon after the 15 mile lsr on Sat.

I just worked out that in the past 8 days, I've done more mileage in my runners than in my car (62km). What a weird statistic!

We should start up a weird and wonderful statistics post

Keep an eye on that foot and hopefully a rest at EP will help.

Kennyg71 wrote: »

6 miles done at 6.20 this morning, getting.bit chiller & darker
In mornings. 59 mins, harder to get pacing exactly right in
Mornings. But all went well.

Mile 1 10.29
Mile 2 9.22
Mile 3 9.49
Mile 4 9.11
Mile 5 10.08
Mile 6 10.01

Well done for getting out early. For all of you, focus on effort levels over pace if going out very early and/or 'on empty' until your body adjusts.

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

I woke up this morning thinking I was going to have get to run tonight, only to realise it's Tuesday, not Wednesday! :P

Edited so it reads the positive way I meant for it to read!

Funny how things are interpreted online sometimes? I love emoticons

FBOT01 wrote: »

Ah it all makes sense now

S'ok FBOT we haven't told him yet he's not going DS again

He's in early denial stage :pac:

Pink11 · 01-09-2015 05:09PM

ratracer wrote: »

I think you missed my point a little bit. I'm not finding the running punishing, I just said that I don't particularly mind if I don't run again after this marathon. Part of the challenge for me is setting a goal, selecting a suitable means to achieve that goal and go and do it. In this instance the goal is the marathon, this forum and training plan is the means to achieve it. I have a lot of background in triathlon (which I started as a way of learning to swim properly) up to half ironman distance, but cycling is my preferred sport, and I will return to that after the marathon.

I was just making the point to ultraman that it's not just runners that do marathons, some of us can just do crazy things every now and again!!

I know what you're trying to say and I agree. I don't think we'll know how much we love this until after the marathon. I think we'll either all be dying to sign up and do another or scream that we're never doing it again!

I don't know how I'll fair. None of us can answer that until we've done our first. It's so physically demanding AND time consuming. There may be reasons out of our control.

"It never gets easier but we do get fitter and stronger. That's why it may start to seem easier!"

diego_b · 01-09-2015 05:20PM

Dubgal72 wrote:

I catch any of ye doing that (and I will.....) .....

Madness, the example she gave was someone who runs with Nurofen in their pocket and takes a few....obviously the physical therapist flipped when she heard it but some people won't listen.
It really shocked me, I'd read an article a few months back about people taking stuff like that after runs and I thought that excessive. Pain is there for a reason!

eyeball kid · 01-09-2015 05:20PM

ratracer wrote: »

Can someone more knowledgable then me have a look at the google spreadsheet? there are no names in for week 11 on my view?

Thanks

I think it should be ok now. Let me know if you see any issues with it.

Clearlier · 01-09-2015 05:23PM

diego_b wrote: »

Madness, the example she gave was someone who runs with Nurofen in their pocket and takes a few....obviously the physical therapist flipped when she heard it but some people won't listen.
It really shocked me, I'd read an article a few months back about people taking stuff like that after runs and I thought that excessive. Pain is there for a reason!

There's also an emerging theory that taking anti-inflammatories negates the effects of training i.e. it's the presence of inflammation that leads to body adapting so if you take it away the body doesn't adapt and the training is of no benefit.

ZV Yoda · 01-09-2015 06:11PM

Well, since we're all about the inspiring quotes today...
.... whenever I'm having a bad day, here's my favourite (for obvious reasons)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5SNAluOj6U

01-09-2015 06:35PM

ratracer wrote: »

I was just making the point to ultraman that it's not just runners that do marathons, some of us can just do crazy things every now and again!!

Fair enough, everyone is a ltitle crazy

. Good luck in October.

Pink11 · 01-09-2015 06:39PM

Personal disaster for me!

Ongoing pain in tooth got unbearable and I need a root canal. My whole head hurts! I'll try and do 7/8 miles this evening though. And again in the morning. Will probably have to break up my LSR this week and just get the mileage in, it's better than nothing. I would be too scared to do my LSR while I have this tooth ache!

chrislad · 01-09-2015 06:45PM

Pink11 wrote: »

Personal disaster for me!

Ongoing pain in tooth got unbearable and I need a root canal. My whole head hurts! I'll try and do 7/8 miles this evening though. And again in the morning. Will probably have to break up my LSR this week and just get the mileage in, it's better than nothing. I would be too scared to do my LSR while I have this tooth ache!

Ouch, I had to have two teeth pulled within a month of each other a couple of years ago. Some of the worst pain I've ever had. I was in a queue, and someone asked me, unprompted, when I was going to the dentist!

DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

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