IFA Protest Dublin 31st Aug 2015

frazzledhome · 30-08-2015 01:51PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Takes huge drive and work to be president and then the experience that comes with it it'd be a awful waste to go back to th'ould farm

Agree, serious commitment and political ability required to become president. In the other hand the caliber has fallen IMO.

The 2 immediate past presidents failed to make any contribution since they left office.

I know we're way off topic but there needs to be a way found to encourage younger guys to get involved post Macra.

Something that always got to me was the "we tried that before and it didn't work" attitude. I've seen young energetic guys sidelined as they posed too much of a threat to the guy who's waited his turn.

Btw, that's not purely the preserve of the IFA but present in all political structures

kowtow · 30-08-2015 02:06PM

poor farmer wrote:

The president of the Ifa is a tough job

Don't know about tough but he certainly manages to make it look difficult.

frazzledhome · 30-08-2015 02:14PM

kowtow wrote: »

Don't know about tough but he certainly manages to make it look difficult.

LOL

mf240 · 30-08-2015 02:45PM

They have a protest every year.

What are protesting about now. To much rain!!!!

rangler1 · 30-08-2015 03:07PM

mf240 wrote: »

They have a protest every year.

What are protesting about now. To much rain!!!!

No, worse...... th'ould 5 and 7 series beemers are two year old now and dairy farmers don't have the funds to trade'm in.:eek:

kowtow · 30-08-2015 03:17PM

mf240 wrote: »

They have a protest every year.

What are protesting about now. To much rain!!!!

That, and the price of orphan's tears is getting fierce high.

We'll have to find something else to cool the milk.

frazzledhome · 30-08-2015 03:30PM

rangler1 wrote: »

No, worse...... th'ould 5 and 7 series beemers are two year old now and dairy farmers don't have the funds to trade'm in.:eek:

Lol

mf240 · 30-08-2015 07:13PM

rangler1 wrote: »

No, worse...... th'ould 5 and 7 series beemers are two year old now and dairy farmers don't have the funds to trade'm in.:eek:

Are things that bad!!!.

orm0nd · 30-08-2015 10:18PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Agree, serious commitment and political ability required to become president. In the other hand the caliber has fallen IMO.

The 2 immediate past presidents failed to make any contribution since they left office.

one of them failed utterly to make any contribution while in office

Hugh 2 · 30-08-2015 10:29PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Got a call to attend Farm Income Protest in Dublin tomorrow.

Are you going?

All farms round here seem to be one man opperatiins
Would be hard to find anyone here with enough free time to partake in this demonstration
I would find it hard to have cows milked by then let allone catch the 8,30 buss

Mad4simmental · 30-08-2015 11:25PM

IFA nowadays are a joke. Let's go to dub and take a few pics. They have no affect whatsoever. The sooner the better everyone drops all subs from factory and marts to them.

Even Rangler dosnt know what side of the fence to sit on.

Hugh 2 · 30-08-2015 11:54PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Got a call to attend Farm Income Protest in Dublin tomorrow.

Are you going?

All farms round here seem to one man opperatiins
Would be hard to find anyone here with enough free time to partake in this demonstration
I would find it hard to have cows milked by then let allone catch the 8,30 buss

rangler1 · 31-08-2015 06:49AM

Mad4simmental wrote: »

IFA nowadays are a joke. Let's go to dub and take a few pics. They have no affect whatsoever. The sooner the better everyone drops all subs from factory and marts to them.

Even Rangler dosnt know what side of the fence to sit on.

No interest to rangler whether farming fails or thrives at this stage, glad to be so near finished with it

frazzledhome · 31-08-2015 07:14AM

Mad4simmental wrote: »

IFA nowadays are a joke. Let's go to dub and take a few pics. They have no affect whatsoever. The sooner the better everyone drops all subs from factory and marts to them.

Even Rangler dosnt know what side of the fence to sit on.

Do you see a role for a farmers representative organisationn?

Willfarman · 31-08-2015 07:34AM

We need representation. It just that the ifa are poor communicators with the public. Joe soap cares little about the angry farmers at boiling point over the annual crisis.

I've never seen a farmer actually boil!

rangler1 · 31-08-2015 08:03AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Do you see a role for a farmers representative organisationn?

I think if the government isn't lobbied continuously, they just won't bother about us, there is huge demand on funding, if farmers don't look for it, some one else will. concessions like tax free lease, cgt exemptions to farmers, 90% allowances on land acquisition could go overnight, like the roll over relief on CGT did,
I don't really believe that agriculture is driving the irish economy, despite the bumph that IFA put out.
Farmers are losing voting power big time, so it isn't that important for rural TDS to have the farmer vote, So that card isn't going to work either.
The EU has to be marked full time as well, I think the way IFA blocked flat rate SFP (for the time being anyway) is a prime example of influencing other farm organisations across eu to support them and get it our way.
Some might call it kicking the can down the road, but a lot might happen before 2019.
As I say politically we need something, I thought by now we'd see the benefit of the grads that are gone into farming in our representation, expenses cheque isn't attractive enough for them obviously

rangler1 · 31-08-2015 08:16AM

Willfarman wrote: »

We need representation. It just that the ifa are poor communicators with the public. Joe soap cares little about the angry farmers at boiling point over the annual crisis.

I've never seen a farmer actually boil!

Farmers being ''punch drunk'' would be a better term,

Brown Podzol · 31-08-2015 08:39AM

rangler1 wrote: »

I don't really believe that agriculture is driving the irish economy, despite the bumph that IFA put out.

I agree with you but making a significant contribution. For every job in PRODUCTION and PROCESSING in dairying there are three more created in the wider economy in America, would not be as high here where more inputs are imported but using the same criteria would certainly be more than two.

Mad4simmental · 31-08-2015 10:01AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Do you see a role for a farmers representative organisationn?

I'd like to see the subs payed from factory's and marts to an independent observer over factory grads and weights representing the farmers.

F.D · 31-08-2015 11:18AM

I am a member but Not going to the protest today i am at work
Do not know what the protest is for, Suckler / Beef / Tillage incomes not going to rise because we are on the world market and the price we are getting is dictated by the factorys, merchants and world prices
as for Dairy farmers, welcome to every other sectors problems, intervention should not be allowed in my opinion or you will have quotas back in no time when the milk lakes get bigger (nothing against dairy farmers i would love to be one)

Farmers are there own worst enemy, Dairy farmers getting bigger, More milk to find a market for
Drystock farmers are paying way over the odds for cattle,(good news for the man selling) but bad news when the exporters are been out bidded and we end up with a flood of beef and rubbish price next year
Maybe the IFA should be saying Less is more and keep more profit in your pocket rather than giving the coop's merchants all our hard earned cash

adam14 · 31-08-2015 02:46PM

Passed by it on my lunch - it was a very poor turnout, not surprising given the notice given and time of year. Yet again a poor performance from the IFA. The organisation needs a radical overhaul.

Time needs to be spent evaluating a key strategy with clear messages focusing on beef, sheep and cereal prices. A few hundred people protesting at short notice will not make a blind bit of difference - it will only agitate the public.

whelan2 · 31-08-2015 03:40PM

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rangler1 · 31-08-2015 03:52PM

F.D wrote: »

Maybe the IFA should be saying Less is more and keep more profit in your pocket rather than giving the coop's merchants all our hard earned cash

I think we'll leave the consutancy work to the consultants, eh
IFA have always promoted sustainable expansion, what's happening in dairying is definitely not sustainable

rangler1 · 31-08-2015 03:55PM

adam14 wrote: »

Passed by it on my lunch - it was a very poor turnout, not surprising given the notice given and time of year. Yet again a poor performance from the IFA. The organisation needs a radical overhaul.

Time needs to be spent evaluating a key strategy with clear messages focusing on beef, sheep and cereal prices. A few hundred people protesting at short notice will not make a blind bit of difference - it will only agitate the public.

There was enough there, it got our message across as good as if there was 20,000 there, why waste everybodies time

_Brian · 31-08-2015 04:02PM

I think the hard cold truth is that outside farming no one gives a flying **** about farm incomes.
It's widely believed across society that farmers are coining it and so see this as another bout of "crying wolf"
Were going to see a steady decline in proper food production in this country with shoppers being dished up whatever ****e possible as long as it's cheap - cheap is the only thought in the minds of your average shopper.

Was in company of some friends where some are farmers. Farmers wife said she buys pork and chicken from any country as long as it's cheap, some ****e attitude there !!

Rangler is right in many respects in that the can has mostly been kicked down the road. If there were a sizeable change in the SFP 2019 the farm production in this country would collapse as in many (or most) cases the profit margins on the actual produce wouldn't support a tight arsed bachelor or never mind a family.

Protest away boys but it will only reenforce what joe public think - farmers are never happy and always looking for a financial dig out.

Willfarman · 31-08-2015 04:15PM

The message that gets lost is that letting retailers processors creameries coin huge profits, paying foreign labour and creating food barons is robbing the wide rural economy.

rangler1 · 31-08-2015 04:26PM

_Brian wrote: »

I think the hard cold truth is that outside farming no one gives a flying **** about farm incomes.
It's widely believed across society that farmers are coining it and so see this as another bout of "crying wolf"
Were going to see a steady decline in proper food production in this country with shoppers being dished up whatever ****e possible as long as it's cheap - cheap is the only thought in the minds of your average shopper.

Was in company of some friends where some are farmers. Farmers wife said she buys pork and chicken from any country as long as it's cheap, some ****e attitude there !!

Rangler is right in many respects in that the can has mostly been kicked down the road. If there were a sizeable change in the SFP 2019 the farm production in this country would collapse as in many (or most) cases the profit margins on the actual produce wouldn't support a tight arsed bachelor or never mind a family.

Protest away boys but it will only reenforce what joe public think - farmers are never happy and always looking for a financial dig out.

I agree and it's very worrying, farming going down the swannee, and the worst of it is, is that until pig and poultry price gets a dose of realism, beef and lamb price wont deviate much from where it is and the sad fact is we'll always need some sort of subsidy to support that tight arsed batchelor.
Will milk ever go across 30c/litre again without causing another influx of new producers.
Wouldn't worry about joe public either, you need only look at HSE, irish water etc.etc to see they're not too worried about joe farmer or even Joe Self Employed Anything .
Anyway rant over

Greengrass1 · 31-08-2015 05:34PM

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freedominacup · 31-08-2015 06:22PM

_Brian wrote: »

I think the hard cold truth is that outside farming no one gives a flying **** about farm incomes.

Why is this constantly presented on this forum as some sort of revelation? Why would anyone think that Joe punter ever gave a half a fcuk about farmers or their incomes anymore than I as a farmer give a damn about the trials and tribulations of the average paye worker?

whelan2 · 31-08-2015 06:28PM

was the protest on the news yet? only in

IFA Protest Dublin 31st Aug 2015

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