6 Year Being Sued Causing Skiing accident.

Overheal · 29-08-2015 09:58AM

this will fail the laws litmus test if its written as reported on.

Mesrine65 · 29-08-2015 10:01AM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

What about the wife? Can I give her a "harmless smack" if she misbehaves?

Absolutely not, that's what the Scold's bridle is for :rolleyes:

Mr E · 29-08-2015 10:01AM

Hope it goes to trial, they drag it out for a few days (with lots of diagrams and reconstructions), then laugh her out of the court and slap her with massive legal fees.

darkpagandeath · 29-08-2015 10:01AM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

Why would a child's reasoning understand why you hit them and how to avoid it in future if they can't understand any other punishment?

I don't understand why one human in a house is fair game for violence and another isn't.

Poorly worded on my part, but the focus of your reply just avoids the real question.

Tats because, One is using Terrible Reddit group think reasoning. You know, Well he slapped his child once he must then beat the entire family daily nonsense.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 29-08-2015 10:06AM

The whole thing is bound for failure. Let her sue everyone, at the end of the day it's costing her money and she'll end up looking stupid.

darkpagandeath · 29-08-2015 10:08AM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The whole thing is bound for failure. Let her sue everyone, at the end of the day it's costing her money and she'll end up looking stupid.

Already happened..

Pucking Fissed Off · 29-08-2015 10:11AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Tats because, One is using Terrible Reddit group think reasoning. You know, Well he slapped his child once he must then beat the entire family daily nonsense.

Your avoiding the question.

I didn't say that a person who hits a child necessarily hits their partner.

I asked why hitting a child is perfectly OK but the adult members of the household are off limits.

Violence is an expression of anger and frustration, therefore it is not a good tool for teaching a child.

Guy:Incognito · 29-08-2015 10:15AM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

So no alternative exists in your world between violence and doing nothing?

Well apparently there's no scale between doing nothing and "beatings" so no.

29-08-2015 10:22AM

I'm not a man of learned law but if she loses her case against the poor child, could they not sue her for like that whole emotional trauma, or what ever it is! Like you could scare her into not skiing again!?

darkpagandeath · 29-08-2015 10:23AM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

Your avoiding the question.

I didn't say that a person who hits a child necessarily hits their partner.

I asked why hitting a child is perfectly OK but the adult members of the household are off limits.

Violence is and expression of anger and frustration, therefore it is not a good tool for teaching a child.

Older people can reason see dangers act accordingly, A slap can be a shock teaching tool One of the many tools in a parents box in dealing with children.

29-08-2015 10:33AM

darkpagandeath wrote:

One of the many tools in a parents box in dealing with children.

But as an adult, and as some in the position of power, and respect for the child, I think your wrong! Just because you have a "tool", doesn't mean it's the correct one for the job!

pmasterson95 · 29-08-2015 10:49AM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

Your avoiding the question.

I didn't say that a person who hits a child necessarily hits their partner.

I asked why hitting a child is perfectly OK but the adult members of the household are off limits.

Violence is an expression of anger and frustration, therefore it is not a good tool for teaching a child.

There is a normally a difference between adults and children. Normally adults have tended to mature and learn from experience. But considering you've already compared beating your wife to smacking a child you seem to have much deeper issues.

Massimo Cassagrande · 29-08-2015 10:53AM

murraychrisg wrote: »

I'm not a man of learned law but if she loses her case against the poor child, could they not sue her for like that whole emotional trauma, or what ever it is! Like you could scare her into not skiing again!?

Sadly no - people are tied up in traumatic, idiotic lawsuits taken by imbeciles who appear to have no personal responsibility all the time.

If a clipe decides to sue you, you get dragged through a long drawn out process that will cost you a fortune, cause you and your family untold stress and then hopefully, if you manage to get a barrister who is not incompetent, and a Judge who was not dropped on their head as a baby, common sense prevails and it gets thrown out in the end. Or not, as if often the case.

That end can be a long time coming and common sense is a lot less common than it ought to be.

ALiasEX · 29-08-2015 10:53AM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

Your avoiding the question.

I didn't say that a person who hits a child necessarily hits their partner.

I asked why hitting a child is perfectly OK but the adult members of the household are off limits.

Violence is an expression of anger and frustration, therefore it is not a good tool for teaching a child.

For some, only the female adult members are off limits.

Pucking Fissed Off · 29-08-2015 11:00AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Older people can reason see dangers act accordingly, A slap can be a shock teaching tool One of the many tools in a parents box in dealing with children.

I think MurrayChris has answered this appropriately.

29-08-2015 11:02AM

Massimo Cassagrande wrote:

Sadly no - people are tied up in traumatic, idiotic lawsuits taken by imbeciles who appear to have no personal responsibility all the time.

If a clipe decides to sue you, you get dragged through a long drawn out process that will cost you a fortune, cause you and your family untold stress and then hopefully, if you manage to get a barrister who is not incompetent, and a Judge who was not dropped on their head as a baby, common sense prevails and it gets thrown out in the end. Or not, as if often the case.

That end can be a long time coming and common sense is a lot less common than it ought to be.

sorry I meant , could the child sue the woman!?

Pucking Fissed Off · 29-08-2015 11:05AM

pmasterson95 wrote: »

There is a normally a difference between adults and children. Normally adults have tended to mature and learn from experience. But considering you've already compared beating your wife to smacking a child you seem to have much deeper issues.

Yes I do compare the two, I find them both equally reprehensible.

Violence should be reserved for self defence and only when all other options have been exhausted.

This is a very strange moral high ground your trying to claim.

suicide_circus · 29-08-2015 11:12AM

Oryx wrote: »

Did noone ever explain to her that sometimes Bad Things Happen and noone is to blame?

I imagine her lawyer is not acting on a no win no fee basis

QuinDixie · 29-08-2015 11:13AM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

Yes I do compare the two, I find them both equally reprehensible.

Violence should be reserved for self defence and only when all other options have been exhausted.

This is a very strange moral high ground your trying to claim.

You must find so many cultures reprehensible.
Dont ever move to New Zealand, the maori's are allowed by the courts to discipline their children, sometimes with extreme violence.

Pucking Fissed Off · 29-08-2015 11:25AM

QuinDixie wrote: »

You must find so many cultures reprehensible.
Dont ever move to New Zealand, the maori's are allowed by the courts to discipline their children, sometimes with extreme violence.

Do you believe that's acceptable?
What point are you trying to make here?

Old Jakey · 29-08-2015 12:33PM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

The secret to good parenting, regular beatings by the age of 6.

If you are reduced to physically punishing a child you have failed as a parent.

Nothing wrong with a smack on the behind. I got the wooden spoon plenty of times and it did me no harm.

darkpagandeath · 29-08-2015 12:48PM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

Do you believe that's acceptable?
What point are you trying to make here?

That ones opinion is just that.

micar · 29-08-2015 12:55PM

The little kid was part of a lesson. There is a focus on technique which includes a lot of turning.

Surely this woman should've known to given them more space.

Whole load of nonsense.

enda1 · 29-08-2015 12:58PM

The person higher on the piste is always responsible and is the default cause if there is an accident. Sounds like the woman tried to pass to close to the beginner child. Child's parents should counter-sue the woman!

micar · 29-08-2015 01:08PM

enda1 wrote: »

The person higher on the piste is always responsible

Rule 1 of skiing/snowboarding etiquette

QuinDixie · 29-08-2015 01:38PM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

Do you believe that's acceptable?
What point are you trying to make here?

That its all subjective, the key is that other cultures find it acceptable and who are we to tell other proud old cultures that what they find acceptable we find unacceptable and our views count for more.

Some people are great for sticking their nose in where its not wanted.
I know whats best for your children and you should raise your child by our values, George Orwell is not far wrong with the march of the nanny state.

I have some news for you, mind your own business.

Dimithy · 29-08-2015 01:54PM

QuinDixie wrote: »

That its all subjective, the key is that other cultures find it acceptable and who are we to tell other proud old cultures that what they find acceptable we find unacceptable and our views count for more.

Some people are great for sticking their nose in where its not wanted.
I know whats best for your children and you should raise your child by our values, George Orwell is not far wrong with the march of the nanny state.

I have some news for you, mind your own business.

Your point doesn't make any sense, you were the one who introduced other cultures into the conversation.

And as a counter, given the recent thread on the goings on in India, is its ok for us to say thats unacceptable? If the locals are ok with it then we should keep our noses out right?

29-08-2015 01:57PM

So, one disgruntled person blames a small child for an accident, and the conversation immediately turns to bemoaning the lack of physical force being used to inflict pain on little kids.

Anyone who thinks hitting a little kid is a desirable course of action is either disregarding at best, or can't be bothered at worst, to explore the myriad other options available to correct misbehaviour. Hurting kids shouldn't be an option.

Same old for AH though.

NorthStars · 29-08-2015 02:11PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Nothing wrong with that. Not speaking of this case as I don't know the facts herewith not withstanding there in present of.

Plenty of little upstart children around that want a good hiding from their parents. A slap a the lawsuit across the face is just as effective.

I take it that you didn't read the article?

pmasterson95 · 29-08-2015 02:18PM

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

Yes I do compare the two, I find them both equally reprehensible.

Violence should be reserved for self defence and only when all other options have been exhausted.

This is a very strange moral high ground your trying to claim.

Not much moral high ground. Just tried to explain the difference between children and adults, (presuming that you and your wife are actually adults). If anyone marries someone and then decides this person must now bow to my will and learn and accept my ways or else is highly problematic. Your other half shouldnt be a slave unless your into that but thats not really a marriage and a whole other problem. A child knows no better and must learn often from mistakes. Presumably someone you have decided to marry will be an actual adult and thus would have learned how to behave as a child.

6 Year Being Sued Causing Skiing accident.

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