DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

Bungy Girl wrote: »

Very sorry to hear that Skittles. Just focus on rest and recovery now as that is the most important thing. Please try not to worry about DCM. When you're 100% and have been given the go ahead from your doc to run, then you can reassess. Hopefully you'll be back to full fitness before long.

+1......get yourself sorted and take it from there.

JacEim wrote: »

Wore my HRM for the first time in a while running (due to my recent heart (non) issue). my HR got up there pretty quickly to about 140 but then stabilised and maxed out at around 150 when doing the 8.00 pace and towards the end of the run. This pace feel quite comfortable for me but not sure if 150 is a bit high on the HR? Is it fair to have a resting HR in the 40's but a max higher than the simple calculation (220-43 = 177)

I wouldn't bother with the calculation. It tends to be wrong for most people! The only way to get an accurate max heart rate is to run! My resting HR is in the 40's and my max HR is 205 (as measured in the final sprint of both a 5k and a 10k race). That calculation tells me my max HR should be 180. For me 150 is a very easy pace.

Best thing to do is a proper max HR test and then figure out your zones.

JacEim wrote: »

Thanks chicken - I feel like I'm pretty similar to yourself, I must try to get a max rating (it will have to be before DG comes back or else I'll be in trouble for going to fast )

Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :P

19M LSR in the bag, oh yeah baby!! :pac: :cool:

30.7km @ 6:15 min/km [19.2M @ 10:03 min/mi].

This went quite well, better than expected. I lapped around the local park for the first 5M, then ran to work (~6M) where I had stashed some water and a tasty Isogel, and then home. Had to do an extra lap to make up the required distance.

I did walk twice (uphill), once to consume the gel and once because it was just too steep. I also stretched that second time as my knee felt like it was seizing up. But other than that, I ran all of it and felt reasonably strong troughout. It was't overly fast or an imperious stride by any stretch, but I only started feeling tired towards the end.

I was lucky with the weather (it threatened to rain but it didn't), which certainly helped.

I hope everybody else's long run is going well too!

nop98 wrote: »

19M LSR in the bag, oh yeah baby!! :pac: :cool:

30.7km @ 6:15 min/km [19.2M @ 10:03 min/mi].

This went quite well, better than expected. I lapped around the local park for the first 5M, then ran to work (~6M) where I had stashed some water and a tasty Isogel, and then home. Had to do an extra lap to make up the required distance.

I did walk twice (uphill), once to consume the gel and once because it was just too steep. I also stretched that second time as my knee felt like it was seizing up. But other than that, I ran all of it and felt reasonably strong troughout. It was't overly fast or an imperious stride by any stretch, but I only started feeling tired towards the end.

I was lucky with the weather (it threatened to rain but it didn't), which certainly helped.

I hope everybody else's long run is going well too!

Bungy Girl wrote: »

Well done, Nop. That's a good one to have under the belt (and out of the way before the weekend too). Very compliant pacing, top marks .

With a target of sub 4 if we exclude the walking I think you might find the pacing wasn't as compliant as it should have been so maybe not top marks


But +1 on the rest of BG's comments

skittles8710 wrote: »

Sorry guys, I've been pretty much a mute on this thread. Things not going as well as I'd have hoped. I've been weak, tired and having headaches the last few weeks, went to doc last week for tests turns out I may have glandular fever. Missed two of three runs during the week and will have to give the planned 17miles tomorrow a rest. I'm not sure if this will count me out of doing DCM has got me very worried!

That's is awful. Key thing is to get better mind yourself DCM will be there next year. But gutted for you If you have to pull out.

eyeball kid wrote: »

Is that too fast? What should be the pace for a lsr if targeting a sub 4?

Hi EK, loads of different schools of thought on this one but two guides quoted on here at different times would be PMP +45/90 secs which for sub 4 would give base range of 09:54 to 10:39 per mile and another one is PMP +10-20% which would give range of 10:04 to 10:59.

My response was a little tongue in cheek in response to BG's top marks comment because NOP pace was on the lower end of either of these ranges and if he kept his watch going during his walking sections then his average running pace was probably below the recommended range albeit marginally so.....no real problem with his pace but just thought it didn't quite merit TOP MARKS but it was certainly good enough for a 9 out of 10

FBOT01 wrote: »

Hi EK, loads of different schools of thought on this one but two guides quoted on here at different times would be PMP +45/90 secs which for sub 4 would give base range of 09:54 to 10:39 per mile and another one is PMP +10-20% which would give range of 10:04 to 10:59.

My response was a little tongue in cheek in response to BG's top marks comment because NOP pace was on the lower end of either of these ranges and if he kept his watch going during his walking sections then his average running pace was probably below the recommended range albeit marginally so.....no real problem with his pace but just thought it didn't quite merit TOP MARKS but it was certainly good enough for a 9 out of 10

*Rolls up sleeves*

Sub 4 could be 3:59:59 or it could be 3:45. Or 3:30 . Nop's vDot from his recent 10 miler would put him well under the sub 4 for the marathon so I reckon he's comfortable enough at the business end of the range. It's a Yes from me, as Simon Cowell might say.

I was actually countering his non-compliance last week when he was spotted by DG (or one of her watchdogs ) exceeding pace guidelines when he thought no one was looking AND his rebel racing on Bere Island. Thought he redeemed himself today :P

aquinn wrote: »

Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :P

ROFL - bloody spellcheck....
Sorry Chickey...

annapr wrote: »

Jeez Nop look what you started! There could be fisticuffs in St Anne's tomorrow!

I'll bring my water pistol

skittles8710 wrote: »

Sorry guys, I've been pretty much a mute on this thread. Things not going as well as I'd have hoped. I've been weak, tired and having headaches the last few weeks, went to doc last week for tests turns out I may have glandular fever.

Hey Skittles, first of all apologies for insensitively blabbing on about finishing an unimportant run without acknowledging your post. I hope your health-issues will be sorted out in no time. If it rules you out of DCM, I'd be really sorry to hear that - and that you'll be back for 2016.

annapr wrote: »

Jeez Nop look what you started! There could be fisticuffs in St Anne's tomorrow!

One innocent post and it all kicks off! I wonder what DG will make of that..!

FBOT01 wrote: »

Hi EK, loads of different schools of thought on this one but two guides quoted on here at different times would be PMP +45/90 secs which for sub 4 would give base range of 09:54 to 10:39 per mile and another one is PMP +10-20% which would give range of 10:04 to 10:59.

My response was a little tongue in cheek in response to BG's top marks comment because NOP pace was on the lower end of either of these ranges and if he kept his watch going during his walking sections then his average running pace was probably below the recommended range albeit marginally so.....no real problem with his pace but just thought it didn't quite merit TOP MARKS but it was certainly good enough for a 9 out of 10

Thank you for your analysis. I find it hard to keep track of the average pace, and since I clocked quite a few slower kilometres I was quite sure the average was slower than this.

Looking at strava, I realize what happened. The last 4 kms were actually very enjoyable. Downhill, on a stretch of road I know very well, wind in back, sun on face. I purposely pushed the pace a little, as you don't get opportunities to test yourself in these later kilometres/miles too often (nor do I have much desire to do so :pac:). But this certainly made the average look faster.

My watch was on for the walking breaks (which were not very long) but I think you're spot on. After 10 weeks of trying to slow down, it remains something to be very watchful of. Let's all take note!

Bungy Girl wrote: »

*Rolls up sleeves*

Sub 4 could be 3:59:59 or it could be 3:45. Or 3:30 . Nop's vDot from his recent 10 miler would put him well under the sub 4 for the marathon so I reckon he's comfortable enough at the business end of the range. It's a Yes from me, as Simon Cowell might say.

Wow, thank you BG, for the vote of confidence. On purpose, I haven't set my eyes on any finishing time. Sub-4 is a dream target, but I have one goal for now, the start-line; this is not a given at all.

Bungy Girl wrote: »

I was actually countering his non-compliance last week when he was spotted by DG (or one of her watchdogs ) exceeding pace guidelines when he thought no one was looking AND his rebel racing on Bere Island. Thought he redeemed himself today :P

Thanks (don't remind her!). B.t.w. talking about rebel-racing, St Anne's tomorrow? During base-building?

Hi all, just found this thread, I'm 54 and doing my first marathon in October. It will
Probably take me till then to read the previous posts. If I post any questions that have been asked previously I apologize.

laura_ac3 wrote: »

Couple of people posting about making the decisions to skip runs. As someone said to me on this thread last year, it's important to listen to your body and what it's telling you. Of course, there's a difference between that and needing a bit of a kick when you should be out. But you can often tell the difference and sometimes you will get a bit more out of an occasional night off, once you ordinarily have that consistency.

Whoopsy - fainting doesn't sound good, hope you're ok. No harm in maybe getting bloods or iron tested if you're feeling off as the miles are building.

I recall someone saying a rest day is a training day - good motto to keep in mind

Peter D61 wrote: »

Hi all, just found this thread, I'm 54 and doing my first marathon in October. It will
Probably take me till then to read the previous posts. If I post any questions that have been asked previously I apologize.

Don't hesitate to ask questions, it's mostly what we do around here and is very much encouraged. Going through the first post on the thread and answering the questions about your background and training will give the experts around here some very useful info and context to work off of! Include a summary of recent training weeks and any plan you're following too!

laura_ac3 wrote: »

Morning and welcome. Take a look at the questions dubgal has in the first post so she can get up to speed with your running! On the phone so can't find it myself but a few pages back she would have provided a quick summary of some of the weekly update posts which are a good place to start and provide info that cover a few common questions. Maybe one of your helpful fellow novices might jump in with a quick link to the post?

I think this is the one?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96556671&postcount=2736