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Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

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  • #902
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    swoofer wrote: »
    Cavan Town, Kilkenny City and Letterkenny Town, are these not the first 3 on the list to get ultrafast BB beginning in September 2015 so it makes sense to be sent an email.

    Yeah your argument would ring true if I lived in any of those places.


  • #903
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭swoofer


    I wonder, would they get at any benefit ie a person with 240mb would need some persuading to go higher and does the higher speeds need new hardware?

    However, you are no doubt right but I might get my wish for a few months/weeks/days!!


  • #904
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭swoofer


    @damienirel did you register for ultrafast from an area that wont get it soon? I registered ages ago and have got nothing and I am in Ennis!! And I have seen K&N do loads of cabling digging etc.


  • #905
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    240mb is fast no doubt - a lot faster than my dismal 2.5mbs dsl on eircom lines.
    But yeah if 1gb is available I would still opt for it over 240mb.
    But at the moment it's all pie in the sky as nothing like 240mbs is available where I live.
    However I do know a friend of mine that has UPC and does have over 200mbs.
    Whereas the fastest I know of anybody on FTTC with eircom is 50mb.
    I wouldn't blame UPC for advertising - this is fine, any time I have asked them about avaliablity they have being very clear and forthright.
    No problems with them at all. Good to have some competition.


  • #906
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    swoofer wrote: »
    @damienirel did you register for ultrafast from an area that wont get it soon? I registered ages ago and have got nothing and I am in Ennis!! And I have seen K&N do loads of cabling digging etc.

    yeah reverse logic - I'm assuming everybody that registered got it


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  • #907
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭swoofer


    Well a friend of mine has 72mb on fttc and... he is not even aware but is pleased his smart tv, laptop, ipad, smart phones, desktop pc all "" As he says " Work OK!!!


  • #908
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,626 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Actually my elderly parents have 100Mb/s VDSL2. The FTTC cab is literally 10 meters away on the outside wall of their house. And now I hear there are in one of the early areas to get FTTH!!!

    And they barely use the internet. My dad uses it for nothing more then reading RTE News!

    Though I can't complain as I have UPC 240Mb/s and it actually works extremely well, I've no complaints at all.

    Yes, if UPC want to go higher then 240Mb/s, it will require new modems with more channels. They currently offer 500Mb/s in a couple of cities in Poland, Romania etc. They are using DOCSIS 3.0 there, but I believe with a new modem that has twice as many channels as ours. Next year we are likely to see 1GB/s with DOCSIS 3.1


  • #909
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    damienirel wrote: »
    Wow mind blowing tip there!

    Bit of background for you I signed up to be notified when this product would be available to me.
    If it turns out that they are lying in telling me it is available then I would consider the email spam.
    In the same way that lets say a Nigerian business man is in trouble because he needs to offload a couple of million into my bank account.
    They clearly aren't telling you it's available at your specific address. I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Would you rather they refrained from any blanket advertising until every single property in a given area was capable of being connected??


  • #910
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,626 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    murphaph wrote: »
    They clearly aren't telling you it's available at your specific address. I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Would you rather they refrained from any blanket advertising until every single property in a given area was capable of being connected??

    Well in Damiens defence, I do think direct, but blanket marketing like this is counter productive. It gets peoples hopes up, but then dashes them when they learn they might not get it for many years.

    Direct marketing to people who can actually get it, either by email or via door to door sales people is generally much more effect and less likely to cause disappointment.

    I'm not saying they shouldn't advertise it on TV when it becomes available. But we certainly don't want a return to the days where they used to advertise 24Mb/s when only 1 or 2Mb/s was widely available. It just leads to pissing people off.


  • #911
    Deagol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Deagol


    damienirel wrote: »
    Whereas the fastest I know of anybody on FTTC with eircom is 50mb.

    Sorry to rub it in but, I have 70mb/s ~600mtrs from the cabinet, my local bar landlord has 100mb/s at his premises and I know several neighbours who have 50-90Mb/s.

    What I have found in a few peoples houses is that they have several parallel wired extension lines that are preventing the VDSL working at it's potential. I've offered to tidy it up so they can get faster but they aren't interested!

    I wonder if the people you know are similarly hobbled?


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  • #912
    Nollog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Nollog


    swoofer wrote: »
    I for one cant wait to see UPC knocked off its perch I am sick of tired of getting fliers posters, ads on TV/Radio prattling on about 240mb and knowing full well it will NEVER be able where I live.

    It'll make a nice change seeing them lower their prices alright.


  • #913
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    most people I know who have fibre have between 15 and 50Meg, only those who live within viewing distance of the cabinet seem to have 70 or higher.


  • #914
    Deagol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Gonzo wrote: »
    most people I know who have fibre have between 15 and 50Meg, only those who live within viewing distance of the cabinet seem to have 70 or higher.

    Well, would you call 600mts viewing distance? I live in urban Ennis, in a housing estate so perhaps that helps.

    Anyway, as I said previously, the biggest single problem is the terrible mess of telephone wiring most people have in their house. And unfortunately the 'engineers' Eircom had installing e-fibre hadn't a clue (the guy that installed mine admitted when I asked him a couple of technical questions he couldn't answer that he was a line puller)!


  • #915
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Deagol wrote: »
    Sorry to rub it in but, I have 70mb/s ~600mtrs from the cabinet, my local bar landlord has 100mb/s at his premises and I know several neighbours who have 50-90Mb/s.

    What I have found in a few peoples houses is that they have several parallel wired extension lines that are preventing the VDSL working at it's potential. I've offered to tidy it up so they can get faster but they aren't interested!

    I wonder if the people you know are similarly hobbled?

    Probably. But you can only build a certain amount of houses close to a cabinet. So yeah it's great in all but still very limited until they go proper fibre.


  • #916
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    murphaph wrote: »
    They clearly aren't telling you it's available at your specific address. I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Would you rather they refrained from any blanket advertising until every single property in a given area was capable of being connected??

    In short - a resounding YES to that question.


  • #917
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,626 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    damienirel wrote: »
    Probably. But you can only build a certain amount of houses close to a cabinet. So yeah it's great in all but still very limited until they go proper fibre.

    From what I heard rumoured, over 70% of people connected to FTTC were getting 50Mb/s or more. With a pretty high number getting 70Mb/s

    Of course I'd expect that figure to have dropped as they have moved into more rural areas. But I believe most urban people are getting pretty good results.

    In reality for the vast majority of people, there would be no real world difference between 50Mb/s, 240Mb/s and 1Gb/s

    All can do Netflix 4K just fine, behind that there isn't such pressure for higher speeds for most people *

    * I'm talking about Joe punter here, not the more technically inclined people who tend to post here on boards.


  • #918
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Yeah I'd agree. However the 50/70/240/1000 will not be the speed you'll get connecting to lets say netflix as the isp and the websites themselves will be traffic shaping. I think it's soemthing like 4mb for netflix at the moment in ireland.
    However anything than less full fibre means bottlenecks and something less than future proofed.


  • #919
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    damienirel wrote: »
    In short - a resounding YES to that question.
    Effectively this means no blanket advertising because there will always be isolated properties that cannot be connected to a given service.


  • #920
    Deagol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Deagol


    damienirel wrote: »
    Yeah I'd agree. However the 50/70/240/1000 will not be the speed you'll get connecting to lets say netflix as the isp and the websites themselves will be traffic shaping. I think it's soemthing like 4mb for netflix at the moment in ireland.

    Dunno where you get your information but I stream 2x Netflix SuperHD/5.1 streams simultaneously quite often and they are 7-8Mb/s each.


  • #921
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Deagol wrote: »
    Dunno where you get your information but I stream 2x Netflix SuperHD/5.1 streams simultaneously quite often and they are 7-8Mb/s each.

    Oh I just make it up as I go along........

    Netflix broadband speed index

    The index, which was introduced for Irish broadband providers in 2012, lists the speeds that customers from Irish providers get when using Netflix.

    The speeds are generally in the 1.5Mbps to 3.5Mbps range across all ISPs.

    The highest rated is UPC at just 3.5Mbps, followed closely behind by Magnet, then Eircom, BT Ireland, Vodafone, Digiweb and Imagine with speeds ranging from 2.94Mbps to 1.87Mbps. But if many providers are advertising speeds in excess of 100 Mbps, why is it that this index is only showing such low speeds?

    Simon Moynihan of price comparison site Bonkers.ie said it demonstrates that 3.5Mbps is enough to watch movies and TV shows on demand through services like Netflix.

    "ISPs need to manage data throughput and this seems to indicate that they enable enough speed for services like Netflix to work, but enabling the full speed that the ISP's service is capable of when connected to streaming services may degrade the experience of other users," he said.

    Full Article here: http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/choice/how-to-choose-the-most-powerful-broadband-data-vs-mbps-31474261.html

    So you're using around 14mb you could probably run more - you should try it and see. I can only tell you what I've read as I'm on a 2.5 poorband connection.
    Obviously whichever provider you're lucky enough to be with hasn't throttled your netflix at all -maybe you could run a few more streams - but there is no gaurantee it will stay like that.


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  • #922
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    murphaph wrote: »
    Effectively this means no blanket advertising because there will always be isolated properties that cannot be connected to a given service.

    I signed up to a mailing list for the FTTH offering - this meant that I would be updated once it was available in my area - I had to provide my address and landline if I had one. It was promotional in the sense that they would update me once it was available but that's all the registering was for.

    It wasn't a please spam me tick box!
    And what makes it worse is that they send an email to say that it's available in my area when it's clearly not.
    Not going to bother explaining why I'm annoyed at this again as it should be obvious.


  • #923
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    OK so you're upset that their marketing goons abused your email data. It's no reason to ridicule the whole company and make out like their fttc endeavours have been some big useless waste of time. I am convinced fttc before ftth was the right move for the majority of customers.


  • #924
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    murphaph wrote: »
    OK so you're upset that their marketing goons abused your email data. It's no reason to ridicule the whole company and make out like their fttc endeavours have been some big useless waste of time. I am convinced fttc before ftth was the right move for the majority of customers.

    Upset - lol - actually very emotional!
    BTW How did you read that into what I'm moaning about?
    Of course fttc was always going to be the first step it would be moronic to think it should have been done any other way?


  • #925
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    And I hasten to add the end game should be FTTH without a shadow of a doubt.
    2kms from a cabinet rules way too many people out. Unless you litter the country with cabinets at enormous expense.

    Actually here's a take on the Akami State of the Internet report you mentioned in an earlier post:
    http://www.independent.ie/business/small-business/poor-broadband-service-is-crippling-small-irish-firms-as-half-of-businesses-selling-nothing-online-31436678.html


  • #926
    Deagol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Deagol


    damienirel wrote: »
    Oh I just make it up as I go along........

    Netflix broadband speed index

    The index, which was introduced for Irish broadband providers in 2012, lists the speeds that customers from Irish providers get when using Netflix.

    The speeds are generally in the 1.5Mbps to 3.5Mbps range across all ISPs.

    The highest rated is UPC at just 3.5Mbps, followed closely behind by Magnet, then Eircom, BT Ireland, Vodafone, Digiweb and Imagine with speeds ranging from 2.94Mbps to 1.87Mbps. But if many providers are advertising speeds in excess of 100 Mbps, why is it that this index is only showing such low speeds?

    Simon Moynihan of price comparison site Bonkers.ie said it demonstrates that 3.5Mbps is enough to watch movies and TV shows on demand through services like Netflix.

    "ISPs need to manage data throughput and this seems to indicate that they enable enough speed for services like Netflix to work, but enabling the full speed that the ISP's service is capable of when connected to streaming services may degrade the experience of other users," he said.

    Full Article here: http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/choice/how-to-choose-the-most-powerful-broadband-data-vs-mbps-31474261.html

    So you're using around 14mb you could probably run more - you should try it and see. I can only tell you what I've read as I'm on a 2.5 poorband connection.
    Obviously whichever provider you're lucky enough to be with hasn't throttled your netflix at all -maybe you could run a few more streams - but there is no gaurantee it will stay like that.

    You read the article clearly without understanding that both the journalist and the bonkers.ie representative haven't a scooby-doo what they where talking about.

    http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/

    Do you notice something in common with all the countries listed? Not a single countries fastest speed is above 4.5Mbps......


  • #927
    Nollog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭Nollog


    also remember that site measures in bytes, so 3 MBps = like 31 Mbps while broadband is in bits.


  • #928
    ctlsleh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭ctlsleh


    where is the eircom site where you can sign-up?
    i cant seem to find it on their website......! how crazy is that.

    im sure the marketing and network planning folks at Eircom are trying to determine the expected take-up so that they rollout in areas which have displayed the most interest as they will then provide a shorter return on investment.....this is what google did in the US, they actually made people pay upfront, so its a proven model to manage the business case for fiber deployment, which is in itself a minimum 3 year payback dependent on the take-rate and services.


  • #929
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭swoofer


    http://www.eircom.net/ultrafast/

    All companies cock up now so eircom is no exception, look at uk and see the shambles. That FTTH is not easy and eircom can spoof me as many times as they like as long as we eventually get something.


  • #930
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    swoofer wrote: »
    http://www.eircom.net/ultrafast/

    All companies cock up now so eircom is no exception, look at uk and see the shambles. That FTTH is not easy and eircom can spoof me as many times as they like as long as we eventually get something.

    I have yet to get an explanation why Eircom make it a requirement when filling out that form, to have a mobile number and give it to them.

    No Thanks. They can trawl elsewhere for my mobile number!


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  • #931
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    swoofer wrote: »
    http://www.eircom.net/ultrafast/

    All companies cock up now so eircom is no exception, look at uk and see the shambles. That FTTH is not easy and eircom can spoof me as many times as they like as long as we eventually get something.

    I'd normally agree but how long will eventually be?


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