US Journalists shot dead live on air [MOD WARNING in opening post]

Kev W · 28-08-2015 07:11AM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

So cynical? Oh, believe me, it is not a normal stance I take in my day to day life, but this time, most definitely yes.

So you're absolutely certain this grieving public figure is expressing his grief over his murdered fiancée for some kind of personal gain to be named later?
And your evidence is that you probably wouldn't do that yourself.
That's cynical whether you like it or not.

Sunflower 27 · 28-08-2015 07:20AM

Kev W wrote: »

So you're absolutely certain this grieving public figure is expressing his grief over his murdered fiancée for some kind of personal gain to be named later?
And your evidence is that you probably wouldn't do that yourself.
That's cynical whether you like it or not.

Have you never questioned anything in life, ever? Of course you have. I am cynical in this case, definitely.

Were you insinuating I am a cynical person, period, based on my thoughts on this one story?

Is that the point you were trying to make?

Kev W · 28-08-2015 07:25AM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Have you never questioned anything in life, ever? Of course you have. I am cynical in this case, definitely.

Were you insinuating I am a cynical person, period, based on my thoughts on this one story?

Is that the point you were trying to make?

I never said you were a cynical person, I said you were being cynical. Which you don't even seem to disagree with.

Matt Holck · 28-08-2015 07:26AM

Kev W wrote: »

So you're absolutely certain this grieving public figure is expressing his grief over his murdered fiancée for some kind of personal gain to be named later?
And your evidence is that you probably wouldn't do that yourself.
That's cynical whether you like it or not.

personal homage is personal whether public or not
a role playing game master understands

Tom Petty - Into the great wide open (with Johnny Depp)

Kev W · 28-08-2015 07:30AM

Matt Holck wrote: »

personal homage is personal whether public or not
a role playing game master understands

Tom Petty - Into the great wide open (with Johnny Depp)

Without wanting to get too far off topic, I'm not sure what the relevance of that song is.

Sunflower 27 · 28-08-2015 07:37AM

Kev W wrote: »

I never said you were a cynical person, I said you were being cynical. Which you don't even seem to disagree with.

I think if you look above you will see that I stated quite clearly that I am cynical of this guy, 100%.

You say you would 'hate to be so cynical' which strikes me as odd. I don't think it is possible to go through life not being cynical of people sometimes.

It is human nature - people are motivated to act in ways that are beneficial to them.

I don't believe this guy is not grieving the loss of his partner. I am questioning that he was so quick to put it on twitter, announce to the world 'It wasn't known, but I was her partner' (and stating the time period). He knows how the media works. He knows that tweet signalled 'Call me'. Which duly happened and he has been on every national news show in America since.

I am not policing his grief, as has been suggested, I am questioning his actions and motives. Something that happens on these boards regarding different people and circumstances every single day.

Matt Holck · 28-08-2015 07:38AM

>Without wanting to get too far off topic, I'm not sure what the relevance of that song is

care about anyone famous that died ?

haveringchick · 28-08-2015 07:42AM

It never ceases to amaze me how people want to criticise how others react to trauma. "That's not how I would react if my loved one were shot live on TV so hes WRONG. I know how I would react because I know EVERYTHING AND IM ALWAYS RIGHT "

Matt Holck · 28-08-2015 07:44AM

death is usually a shock

someone has to dare to say something
just so people can start to react

Kev W · 28-08-2015 07:50AM

Matt Holck wrote: »

>Without wanting to get too far off topic, I'm not sure what the relevance of that song is

care about anyone famous that died ?

Some, yes. I'm sorry but I still don't understand what that song has to do with anything. I don't say that to be critical, it's just not clicking.

Sunflower 27 · 28-08-2015 07:52AM

haveringchick wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me how people want to criticise how others react to trauma. "That's not how I would react if my loved one were shot live on TV so hes WRONG. I know how I would react because I know EVERYTHING AND IM ALWAYS RIGHT "

Who said they know everything?

Questioning the guy's motives does not mean I or anyone else thinks they are always right. Can you not get that?

Kev W · 28-08-2015 07:56AM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

I think if you look above you will see that I stated quite clearly that I am cynical of this guy, 100%.

You say you would 'hate to be so cynical' which strikes me as odd. I don't think it is possible to go through life not being cynical of people sometimes.

It is human nature - people are motivated to act in ways that are beneficial to them.

I don't believe this guy is not grieving the loss of his partner. I am questioning that he was so quick to put it on twitter, announce to the world 'It wasn't known, but I was her partner' (and stating the time period). He knows how the media works. He knows that tweet signalled 'Call me'. Which duly happened and he has been on every national news show in America since.

I am not policing his grief, as has been suggested, I am questioning his actions and motives. Something that happens on these boards regarding different people and circumstances every single day.

I think if you look above you will see that I found your comments that he is "courting the press" and "time will reveal more about this" to be more cynical than I would like to be. You stated these things as facts. That's not questioning, that's accusing.

He also didn't need the media to call him, he's an anchor himself. He was already at the studio when the shooting occurred, in fact.

frostyjacks · 28-08-2015 08:00AM

His behaviour is a little odd, maybe it's a cultural thing. For me, grieving is done in private, not in the limelight.

Kev W · 28-08-2015 08:02AM

frostyjacks wrote: »

His behaviour is a little odd, maybe it's a cultural thing. For me, grieving is done in private, not in the limelight.

You're not a news anchor.

Matt Holck · 28-08-2015 08:07AM

Kev W wrote: »

Some, yes. I'm sorry but I still don't understand what that song has to do with anything. I don't say that to be critical, it's just not clicking.

gLee that I had followed since the beginning had there lead male actor Cory Monteith die
I had been part of that forum for many years
and wanted to offer some muse for condolence

personal public death issues again

Pink Floyd - The Show Must Go On (Live)
I know neither of the characters involve in this thread
only my own experiences

frostyjacks · 28-08-2015 08:08AM

Kev W wrote: »

You're not a news anchor.

And that precludes me from forming an opinion on this?

Kev W · 28-08-2015 08:21AM

frostyjacks wrote: »

And that precludes me from forming an opinion on this?

Calm down, nobody said that.

Lirange · 28-08-2015 08:29AM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

All valid points and normally I would totally agree with you,, but this time, no. He seems very self-serving in all tthis. Having read comments on sites online, many others are suggesting he stop making this whole tragic incident about himself.

He seems? What if you're wrong? Have you considered that possibility? You are leaping to conclusions based on assumptions. You might find comfort that others share your hostile disposition towards him. But it just makes them judgmental reactionaries as well. You're speaking from a position of ignorance about these people. You are tap dancing on flimsy cardboard.

Her father has said that he wants to share with the world what a wonderful person she was and what a great life she had as cut short as it was...as it's better to focus on the victims than the perp. Her father and boyfriend have done interviews side by side, including when he's had his scrapbook. A very plausible reason their relationship wasn't known was because it's typical news room policy to be discreet. They were a small town regional news outfit so it's not like people would be keeping tabs on them either. It's a shame that out of all the possible things coming from this story that some people choose to fixate and seethe over this.

Matt Holck · 28-08-2015 08:34AM

my concern exactly

Wibbs · 28-08-2015 08:42AM

frostyjacks wrote: »

His behaviour is a little odd, maybe it's a cultural thing. For me, grieving is done in private, not in the limelight.

Well, more and more western culture is about "letting it all hang out", being seen and heard more publicly and social media really ramps this up. Some tweet/upload pics of what they're eating for lunch, so hardly surprising overwhelming grief comes out the same way. If the chap is a heavy user of social media anyway, then it makes sense that he pours out his grief that way. Add in that his personality chose a public "performance" in need of an audience type job like news anchor. In the past, or in other cultures grief could be much more private, behind closed doors, but behind those doors among friends and family similar reactions would be going on. These days as well as those who follow the coffin you have potentially millions who will follow the tweets.

Matt Holck · 28-08-2015 08:48AM

don't believe in sacrifice

Wibbs · 28-08-2015 09:19AM

Matt Holck wrote: »

don't believe in sacrifice

What? Your posts make little sense, or is it just me?

Matt Holck · 28-08-2015 09:30AM

My statement not particularly related to your statement

death is tragedy
and not some sort of sacrifice
coffin=millions of view is not to be compared to some item of sacrifice
people don't have to die for all to live well

Wibbs · 28-08-2015 09:32AM

M'kay….. *backs away slowly*

Hyzepher · 28-08-2015 10:30AM

The owner of the tv station may be "suggesting" to the bf that he do some interviews to tell the world what a great girl she was.

Sunflower 27 · 28-08-2015 11:03AM

Kev W wrote: »

I think if you look above you will see that I found your comments that he is "courting the press" and "time will reveal more about this" to be more cynical than I would like to be. You stated these things as facts. That's not questioning, that's accusing.

He also didn't need the media to call him, he's an anchor himself. He was already at the studio when the shooting occurred, in fact.

So you have an issue with someone being more cynical than you in one particular instance? I don't get your point. Am sure if we looked over the news in the past week there would be views where we differ, some where you could be perceived to be more cynical than me. I'm cynical of this guy's intentions. Try as you might it does not make me a bad person or someone that is more cynical than most. It merely means that in this instance, his behaviour struck me as odd.

Further, it is a fact he was all over the media. Within hours of her death (if not an hour) he had tweeted about their previous private relationship and uploaded pics. He has also done a stack of news interviews and talked in explicit detail about a relationship that was barely 9 months old.

And it is a fact that time will reveal more. That is what happens with news stories, things come out down the line.

When we see behaviour that is unusual, it is questioned. I don't know this guy clearly, but I do see his rush to get himself on every news bulletin going as quick as possible strange. And whether you like it or, or agree or not, is really of no consequence to me or indeed anyone that sees this differently than you.

Sunflower 27 · 28-08-2015 11:14AM

Lirange wrote: »

He seems? What if you're wrong? Have you considered that possibility? You are leaping to conclusions based on assumptions.

Aren't many decisions/conclusions we reach based on assumptions because we don't know people directly?

So as I don't know him, I can't say what I perceive as insensitive and unusual behaviour?

Kev W · 28-08-2015 11:28AM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Aren't many decisions/conclusions we reach based on assumptions because we don't know people directly?

So as I don't know him, I can't say what I perceive as insensitive and unusual behaviour?

You can say it and others can comment on it. Nobody's told you you can't say what you want.

20Cent · 28-08-2015 12:47PM

Everyone reacts to grief in their own way. There is no right or wrong reaction.

Sunflower 27 · 28-08-2015 12:53PM

Kev W wrote: »

You can say it and others can comment on it. Nobody's told you you can't say what you want.

It was a rhetorical question, but thanks all the same for letting me know.

US Journalists shot dead live on air [MOD WARNING in opening post]

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