DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

Toulouse · 27-08-2015 08:56PM

Singer wrote: »

9. Coffee and cakes! (In the place beside the zoo?)

Ah crap, I'll miss the cake, boo

I'll have an Irish coffee for breakfast in all of your honours, eh, yay

\o/

Bungy Girl · 27-08-2015 08:57PM

ratracer wrote: »

This week is the first time I've run four days in a row, ever I'd say!! It hasn't been too bad, but I'm looking forward to the rest day tomorrow. I'm also hitting unknown territory with the LSR on Saturday at 25km eek;(

This is compunded by the fact I'm working Saturday so I have two options a) get up very very very early (for me anyway) at 5.20, and run most of the way to work, to be there for 8.30, or b) run 25km on the treadmill during the day.

I have guests in the evening so running then is not an option (dinner and wine win out every time!!)I reckon I'll go for the early option, though I'm concerned about running so far without breakfast, it'll be just banana, water and a couple of gels in the pocket!

+1 to that. I wouldn't recommend 25Km on the treadmill :eek:. If you eat and hydrate well the night before you should be ok. Bring some cash and make sure your route passes by a convenience store or garage just in case you get the munchies en route.

nop98 · 27-08-2015 09:00PM

Singer wrote: »

So I was thinking something like this:

1. Start in the Phoenix Park. Parking's a lot easier.
2. Meetup somewhere zooish, follow the 10 mile route down to Coyningham Road.
3. (Joining Marathon route) Go across Chapelizod Bridge, go through Kilmainham and head up the SCR.
4. (Leave Marathon route) Follow the canal to Ranelagh
5. (Joining Marathon route) Head up through Milltown, up Mount Everest and out past UCD etc.
6. Down past RTE, Shelbourne Road, and sprint the last few hundred metres of the marathon route
7. Plod around to the starting line, follow the Marathon route to the Phoenix Park
8. Folks who want to do 20 miles or whatever can run around the park for a bit.
9. Coffee and cakes! (In the place beside the zoo?)

The other options I looked at were to follow the marathon route and skip the park, or run down the canal instead of heading out through Crumlin, but they were all at least 20+ miles. The advantage of going down the canal is it'll largely be unbroken.

nop: not sure about starting at 7AM. If everybody else is on for it then maybe

Lovely route, Singer - I don't seriously expect anyone to be up for 7am. Enjoy it!

Mrs Mc · 27-08-2015 09:03PM

Kennyg71 wrote: »

Hi A, know it's been hashed out, only reading now,
I got massage, last Tuesday, felt like bag of crap all
Last weeks runs, Epsom salt bath & some serious
Stretching On Friday night before race & felt a lot
Better, feet into bucket ice water Sat night about
15 mins & brand new for Sunday recovery run.

Legs feel better this week, maybe u need bit of
Welly dancing weekend with Tolouse to loosen calfs.

Thanks G taking it handy today resting up heading out at 6.30 am for 4 miles easy fingers crossed it was just the massage. Wouldn't like to be showing Toulouse up my dancing is bad enough !!!

Singer · 27-08-2015 09:28PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

How is everyone else going to handle the dwindling daylight?

Yesterday's run definitely felt like a post-summer run alright - the first in a long time heading out when it was mostly dark and wearing a long sleeved running top!

This Fat Girl Runs · 27-08-2015 09:56PM

aquinn wrote: »

I, personally, wouldn't advise running with a backpack as it may affect your posture and run style with the additional weight. I'd recommend getting very organised and only running home with bare essentials and then bring all work gear home the next day. Don't be carrying it all home with you. Keys/wallet phone on run home.
Waste of time getting home to change and getting back out so if you have an option to run from work I'd definitely take it. I like running on lunch but it may not work for all.

I hadn't thought of that...will ditch the backpack idea then! I think I can work something out. I have two midweek runs I'd try to do from work so it won't be too awkward.

Another bonus to getting the run in earlier is getting home in time to have dinner at a decent time too!

Toulouse wrote: »

I'm lucky in that I can finish work at 4 so that leaves me in daylight for my short runs. I've started to run to work for my midweek longish run and then LSRs are Saturday mornings.

For the work run I leave pretty much everything there the day before and run in with just the bare minimum (keys, gels, phone, etc) in a little backpack.

I might be heading back to college in September so if that happens I'll have to fit the two short runs in at lunch but I'll jiggle it all around until it works.

Sounds like a doable plan for me. I'll copy you if you don't mind

I'm starting a part time college course in September too but that is thankfully on a rest day after work so shouldn't affect me too much.

Firedance wrote: »

that's a good question and for anyone who does not have it here
is the link to the RSA where you can order Free hi vis gear, I got some myself last week, the vests are great as are the arm bands. It will get to the stage where you have to run in the dark unless you can run at lunchtime so look at possible (safe well lit) routes now, get lots of flashing lights and definitely leave the earphones behind on the dark evenings

I have some good gear I think. A flashing arm band and some reflector arm bands. My long sleeve top has reflective strips on it too. Do you think I'd need more than that?

HelenAnne wrote: »

I'd agree. I have a little waist pack thing. I change at work, just bring my keys and bus pass and phone, and then the next day bring my previous day's work clothes etc home on the bus. I sometimes run to work too -- I just leave work clothes, towel, breakfast food etc in the office the day before. I always have to remember to make sure I have spare glasses at home if I run home in contact lenses or I'll be blind all evening at home!

Oh yeah, I have a waist pack too. I use it on my long runs but it'll do for carrying the keys, wallet and phone home.

Thanks everyone for the tips! It'll feel a little weird to be going out straight from work (not to mention awkward to have everyone see me in my running gear but oh well, I'll get over it! :pac:) but I think it will do me good!

JacEim · 27-08-2015 09:59PM

Toulouse wrote: »

I'm from Laois o_O

Me too!!

This Fat Girl Runs · 27-08-2015 10:02PM

In other news, I went for my 6 mile easy run tonight. Wasn't feeling up for it, my abs are still sore from my workout on Tuesday and my hard run last night. I would've actually rested and ran tomorrow except I have an appointment I can't miss. I decided I'd go out tonight anyway and sure if I had to power walk it, it was still time on my feet.

I did better than I expected, even with it being an unintentional naked run! The one day I take my Garmin into work and what do I do? I forget to bring it home!

Going by the map my run app on my phone I ran the 6 miles in 1:31:03 for an average pace of 15:10. That includes my warm up and cool down walks. My 3rd, 4th and 5th mile were within 10 seconds of each other. So all in all, despite feeling wrecked it turned out to be a good run. The worst part was actually stretching afterwards, my abs didn't like me trying to move around on the floor!

Next up; another 14 mile LSR on Sunday!

diego_b · 27-08-2015 11:21PM

Set out for an 8th mile easy run tonight around Hyde Park in London, didn't get started till 8pm so the available light was going to be an issue. Decided I'd do one lap going anti clockwise inside the park around the perimeter...4 miles and then see how I was fixed with light and tiredness (had been going all day with traveling over here and wandering around the shops with my wife). So the first lap went grand but the last half mile of the 4 was tough as it so dark. Really lovely place to run I have to say and plenty of people running as well which was nice.
Decided then to do a clockwise lap retracing my steps but on the footpath outside the park...where I could benefit from the street lights. On the way back around Kensington I took a slightly wide lap (didn't know where I was going) and with buildings it wasn't so easy to keep the park on my right hand side as I thought it would be. Meant I ended up the run with 8.72 miles but have to say I felt great on the run and felt I could have kept going for a lot longer if I wanted too.
Hopefully feel the same doing the 19 mile LSR over here!
First time ever running outside of Ireland as well tonight so that was another first for this marathon programme for me.

Distance: 8.72miles
Avg pace: 10:01
Avg heart rate: 144 (interestingly it started off high for the first mile in the 160s but then settled right down to a low avg for that pace for me)
Splits:
10:21
10:04
10:00
9:43
10:32 (stopped for a sec to cross the road and checked a map as well)
9:49
9:51
9:43

diego_b · 27-08-2015 11:30PM

Toulouse wrote:

I'm from Laois o_O

Me too

Pink11 · 28-08-2015 12:10AM

The darkness is hitting in quicker in the evenings, really noticed that big time this week!

Had to do the 15 mile LSR tonight. Did it semi naked - kept my watch with me to keep an eye on the distance. Only had to look 3/4 times as I had planned out the route prior.

Went well, I ran what I thought to be slowly and took it nice and easy. Went well overall and the most shocking part of all? I managed on one bottle of water! Woo hoo!

(1.5 hours before the run - I ate a bowl of porridge made with water and added a little bit of protein powder and peanut butter to flavour it and to obviously get some protein into me).

BUT it wasn't all positive...

I came straight back in, had a quick shower and in that much time I felt REALLY ill. I forced myself to drink water and tried to eat my veg stir fry with rice that I had prepped and waiting... only managed about 5/6 spoons of that because I honestly thought I was going to throw up. Made myself some peppermint tea to try and settle my stomach and lay down for about an hour. Eventually it passed but the thought of food was still making me feel ill so as silly as it sounds, the only thing I could face eating was a little mini bar of chocolate and a bowl of rice krispies :eek:

I saw someone else had an upset stomach too after an LSR but you reckon it was the gels upsetting you?

I brought a gel with me (like I always do an LSR just in case) but during the run felt I didn't need it - and I was happy about that and felt it was better my body get used to naturally digging in and getting through it without the help of sports drinks or gels. Should I train myself on each LSR to take in gels in prep for the big day?

I just wanted to apologise as I feel responsible for something I said the other day. I didn't mean to put a downer on the thread or make people worry when I asked about goal time of the marathon. I'm 100% in agreement that we should all enjoy it and just focus on finishing and not have the pressure of a time. I was just curious based on my times how I'd fair if I was able to maintain that. I know that is pretty much impossible though.

Can I double check with someone, I know this is probably going to frighten the pros that I'm only checking this now but I have been following my heart rate prior to now but I'd like to be aware of both. (I'm lucky enough to have access to an experienced marathon runner who recommend I follow this method of training).
Anyway, What pace do you think I should run my LSR's at from now on?

ger664 · 28-08-2015 01:53AM

Just caught up with this thread for the last week. Loads of talk about times and goals,

There really is only one A goal.

Get to the start injury free, fit and fresh enough to get the job done.

Mrs Mc · 28-08-2015 07:23AM

What a difference a day makes and a day's rest at that. Took yesterday off and decided to run before work this morning. Winter is on its way a definate nip in the air but a fab morning. Ran through Ballsbridge into sandymount Coast and back to ballsbridge. 4 miles easy. Legs felt much better. Still some niggles but will stretch and foam roll again tonight.

chrislad · 28-08-2015 08:09AM

Mrs Mc wrote: »

What a difference a day makes and a day's rest at that. Took yesterday off and decided to run before work this morning. Winter is on its way a definate nip in the air but a fab morning. Ran through Ballsbridge into sandymount Coast and back to ballsbridge. 4 miles easy. Legs felt much better. Still some niggles but will stretch and foam roll again tonight.

Same as. Did a slow 2 miles this morning, and legs felt a bit tight, but no tender. I generally don't feel warmed up until about 2.5 miles anyway so that's not surprising.

skittles8710 · 28-08-2015 08:13AM

Sorry guys, I've been pretty much a mute on this thread. Things not going as well as I'd have hoped. I've been weak, tired and having headaches the last few weeks, went to doc last week for tests turns out I may have glandular fever. Missed two of three runs during the week and will have to give the planned 17miles tomorrow a rest. I'm not sure if this will count me out of doing DCM has got me very worried!

Bungy Girl · 28-08-2015 08:21AM

skittles8710 wrote: »

Sorry guys, I've been pretty much a mute on this thread. Things not going as well as I'd have hoped. I've been weak, tired and having headaches the last few weeks, went to doc last week for tests turns out I may have glandular fever. Missed two of three runs during the week and will have to give the planned 17miles tomorrow a rest. I'm not sure if this will count me out of doing DCM has got me very worried!

Very sorry to hear that Skittles. Just focus on rest and recovery now as that is the most important thing. Please try not to worry about DCM. When you're 100% and have been given the go ahead from your doc to run, then you can reassess. Hopefully you'll be back to full fitness before long.

28-08-2015 08:38AM

Oh god Skittles, get well soon you poor thing

On my own feely sh*tty; I had blood tests a couple of weeks ago, my iron levels came back as normal, but on the lower end and I was advised to take iron as I'm running. I had totally forgotten, until reminded last night, that my sodium levels were also low. So I'm going to take an electrolyte drink every day, and iron. My crossfit coach also said to take in an extra 500 calories, mostly carbs, for the next few days to aid recovery. Hopefully I'll be at least OK for my long run Sunday.

aquinn · 28-08-2015 09:04AM

Pink11 wrote: »

I just wanted to apologise as I feel responsible for something I said the other day. I didn't mean to put a downer on the thread or make people worry when I asked about goal time of the marathon. I'm 100% in agreement that we should all enjoy it and just focus on finishing and not have the pressure of a time. I was just curious based on my times how I'd fair if I was able to maintain that. I know that is pretty much impossible though.

Can I double check with someone, I know this is probably going to frighten the pros that I'm only checking this now but I have been following my heart rate prior to now but I'd like to be aware of both. (I'm lucky enough to have access to an experienced marathon runner who recommend I follow this method of training).
Anyway, What pace do you think I should run my LSR's at from now on?

Morning,
Never apologise for asking a question or feel bad as a result. As Ger said the main aim, and the hardest part, is actually getting to the start line and yes it is your first marathon so my second goal was to enjoy it.

I did most of my runs in the evenings last year and most of the time I'd have to force food into me and like that I'd a sick stomach. Maybe try a protein shake pre-shower, relax and have dinner? When I switched long runs to Saturday I'd have absolutely no appetite at all but knew I had to eat so made myself. I'd get a yahzoo protein milk and then stretch, shower and sit down and eat.

Can't advise on pace I'm afraid, not my forte.

Notwork Error · 28-08-2015 09:11AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Oh god Skittles, get well soon you poor thing

On my own feely sh*tty; I had blood tests a couple of weeks ago, my iron levels came back as normal, but on the lower end and I was advised to take iron as I'm running. I had totally forgotten, until reminded last night, that my sodium levels were also low. So I'm going to take an electrolyte drink every day, and iron. My crossfit coach also said to take in an extra 500 calories, mostly carbs, for the next few days to aid recovery. Hopefully I'll be at least OK for my long run Sunday.

+1 on the calories. I think it should be something everyone should be asking themselves, Are you eating enough?* Marathon training puts a big demand on your daily energy costs which is also crucial in recovering properly. You won't need to Michael Phelps on it and chowdown 12,000kcal a day but you will need more than your normal daily intake especially as the mileage increases to help aid in recovery and General energy levels, It should help take the edge off the tiredness.

This might be a conundrum for some who are looking to lose weight but there should be a balancing point where you are eating enough to train optimally and not completely focused on weight loss. A 20 mile long run will probably burn around 2000kcal on it's own without taking into account the rest of your daily activities so if you're not eating enough, you will feel sluggish and recovery time will suffer.

*not an excuse to go out on the lash and stuff your face with sloppy kebabs:D

Firedance · 28-08-2015 09:27AM

Pink11 wrote: »

Can I double check with someone, I know this is probably going to frighten the pros that I'm only checking this now but I have been following my heart rate prior to now but I'd like to be aware of both. (I'm lucky enough to have access to an experienced marathon runner who recommend I follow this method of training).
Anyway, What pace do you think I should run my LSR's at from now on?

Hey Pink, can you tell us what paces you've been doing for all your runs to date? I had a (very) quick look back & couldn't find your original post with goal times etc so apologies if its staring me in the face

One of the others will no doubt be able to help then.

JacEim · 28-08-2015 09:44AM

What a difference a day makes!!

After my failure to complete on Wednesday I was determined to make up for it yesterday. Plan was for 7M progression run - COMPLETED in 62.20. Started each mile at 10.00 pace and finished at around 8.00 pace.
Wore my HRM for the first time in a while running (due to my recent heart (non) issue). my HR got up there pretty quickly to about 140 but then stabilised and maxed out at around 150 when doing the 8.00 pace and towards the end of the run. This pace feel quite comfortable for me but not sure if 150 is a bit high on the HR? Is it fair to have a resting HR in the 40's but a max higher than the simple calculation (220-43 = 177)

Anyway, I also checked my weight this morning and I am down to 13st 7lbs - approx 6lbs down in the last 2 months (and approx 3st down ytd). There is something to this running lark... and I am looking forward to guilt free lashings of homemade pizza tonight !! Am hoping to lose albs more before the race - i will then be at a level where I can wear my tri-suit without any muffin top showing (sorry, wrong board.. I know!!)
Will be calling in to my parents today for the first time in about 2 months - am hoping they start to make comments that I am looking gaunt

Rest day today and 17M tomorrow, enjoy the LSR's this weekend everyone!!

Take the positives from every small thing that you see an improvement from, be it getting your run done, feeling good after it, your clothes feeling a bit looser, looking good in the lycra, not drinking on Saturday night because you are minding yourself... whatever hits your sweetspot!! And... use the negatives to drive you on - HTFU. You have not come this far not to give it your best shot, and your best shot is the best!!!..... Argh, my adrenaline's up now - I wanna run!!!

Pink11 · 28-08-2015 09:52AM

Ah sorry to hear some of you are unwell. For anyone who might be interested I take glucosamine everyday on top of my normal vitamins, to help my joints during this training. Iron is another interesting one, had my bloods tested recently and all of that was fine so I'm guessing my multi vit has me covered :cool:

aquinn wrote: »

Morning,
Never apologise for asking a question or feel bad as a result. As Ger said the main aim, and the hardest part, is actually getting to the start line and yes it is your first marathon so my second goal was to enjoy it.

I did most of my runs in the evenings last year and most of the time I'd have to force food into me and like that I'd a sick stomach. Maybe try a protein shake pre-shower, relax and have dinner? When I switched long runs to Saturday I'd have absolutely no appetite at all but knew I had to eat so made myself. I'd get a yahzoo protein milk and then stretch, shower and sit down and eat.

Yeah, I was forcing the food down trying to tell myself that I'd feel better if I could get it into me. Yeah, I normally have a protein smoothie before a run but maybe I should leave it to after. I actually almost always have one after a long race and I've felt fine so I guess I need to start introducing this in training runs now.

Hey Pink, can you tell us what paces you've been doing for all your runs to date? I had a (very) quick look back & couldn't find your original post with goal times etc so apologies if its staring me in the face One of the others will no doubt be able to help then.

Hey thanks for the reply - I'll get to you about this on Monday. Need to check my Garmin history. Thanks so much for offering to help.

Emsy 1 · 28-08-2015 10:43AM

Pink11 wrote: »

The darkness is hitting in quicker in the evenings, really noticed that big time this week!

Had to do the 15 mile LSR tonight. Did it semi naked - kept my watch with me to keep an eye on the distance. Only had to look 3/4 times as I had planned out the route prior.

Went well, I ran what I thought to be slowly and took it nice and easy. Went well overall and the most shocking part of all? I managed on one bottle of water! Woo hoo!

(1.5 hours before the run - I ate a bowl of porridge made with water and added a little bit of protein powder and peanut butter to flavour it and to obviously get some protein into me).

BUT it wasn't all positive...

I came straight back in, had a quick shower and in that much time I felt REALLY ill. I forced myself to drink water and tried to eat my veg stir fry with rice that I had prepped and waiting... only managed about 5/6 spoons of that because I honestly thought I was going to throw up. Made myself some peppermint tea to try and settle my stomach and lay down for about an hour. Eventually it passed but the thought of food was still making me feel ill so as silly as it sounds, the only thing I could face eating was a little mini bar of chocolate and a bowl of rice krispies :eek:

I saw someone else had an upset stomach too after an LSR but you reckon it was the gels upsetting you?

I brought a gel with me (like I always do an LSR just in case) but during the run felt I didn't need it - and I was happy about that and felt it was better my body get used to naturally digging in and getting through it without the help of sports drinks or gels. Should I train myself on each LSR to take in gels in prep for the big day?

I just wanted to apologise as I feel responsible for something I said the other day. I didn't mean to put a downer on the thread or make people worry when I asked about goal time of the marathon. I'm 100% in agreement that we should all enjoy it and just focus on finishing and not have the pressure of a time. I was just curious based on my times how I'd fair if I was able to maintain that. I know that is pretty much impossible though.

Can I double check with someone, I know this is probably going to frighten the pros that I'm only checking this now but I have been following my heart rate prior to now but I'd like to be aware of both. (I'm lucky enough to have access to an experienced marathon runner who recommend I follow this method of training).
Anyway, What pace do you think I should run my LSR's at from now on?

Hi pink, I felt the very same after a 12 mile run a few weeks back. I put it down to the gel and it was recommended on here that I try the isolgel which I did and have had no issues since (touch wood). I would imagine if you are planning to take gels on the day u should start trying them out now to see if they agree with u.

I had a visit with the doctor yesterday I strained a muscle in my left shoulder it's very sore but nothing serious. He gave me voltarol gel and stretches to do with some ice it should come good. So glad it's nothing serious.
Good luck with all the lsr this weekend this will be my longest run ever Yikes !!!

eyeball kid · 28-08-2015 11:05AM

Passed a little personal milestone yesterday. This is the most I've ever run in a calandar year. In 2013 I did 790km for the year. Last year was only 364km due to injuries. As of yesterday I've completed 798km.

Happy with that.

HelenAnne · 28-08-2015 11:30AM

sudzy25 wrote: »

Hi there,

I am looking for a training partner for my long runs @ the weekend usually and 8-10 miles Wednesdays. My pace average is about 9.10 /mi but sometimes I am faster depending on length of run etc. Anyway if you are interested and feel like doing 15 miles Friday evening, based in north Dublin but will travel. PM me, cheers!

Raheny do their long run on Sundays at 8am, if you're interested. There are usually people going out training most weeknights at 6.30 to0, if you'd like to drop down.
Contact numbers etc on this site:

http://www.rahenyshamrock.ie

HelenAnne · 28-08-2015 11:32AM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

How is everyone else going to handle the dwindling daylight?

Ps I just wear a reflective top, and I have reflective Brooks arm and leg bands (made or soft material rather than the hard stuff like cycling ones). If running somewhere very dark you could get a flashing light or something.

I've run in the dark every winter for the last five years or so and have never fallen or had a near miss with a car. just make sure you can be seen.

HelenAnne · 28-08-2015 11:36AM

Kennyg71 wrote: »

Hi A, know it's been hashed out, only reading now,
I got massage, last Tuesday, felt like bag of crap all
Last weeks runs, Epsom salt bath & some serious
Stretching On Friday night before race & felt a lot
Better, feet into bucket ice water Sat night about
15 mins & brand new for Sunday recovery run.

Legs feel better this week, maybe u need bit of
Welly dancing weekend with Tolouse to loosen calfs.

Hi A, sometimes I find I feel heavy-legged / tired for a good few days after a hard race. We both did the ten-miler last Sunday and I'm still not feeling too peppy! Give yourself a chance to recover -- you'll be fine next week, I'm sure!

Clearlier · 28-08-2015 12:11PM

Pink11 wrote: »

The darkness is hitting in quicker in the evenings, really noticed that big time this week!

Had to do the 15 mile LSR tonight. Did it semi naked - kept my watch with me to keep an eye on the distance. Only had to look 3/4 times as I had planned out the route prior.

Went well, I ran what I thought to be slowly and took it nice and easy. Went well overall and the most shocking part of all? I managed on one bottle of water! Woo hoo!

(1.5 hours before the run - I ate a bowl of porridge made with water and added a little bit of protein powder and peanut butter to flavour it and to obviously get some protein into me).

BUT it wasn't all positive...

I came straight back in, had a quick shower and in that much time I felt REALLY ill. I forced myself to drink water and tried to eat my veg stir fry with rice that I had prepped and waiting... only managed about 5/6 spoons of that because I honestly thought I was going to throw up. Made myself some peppermint tea to try and settle my stomach and lay down for about an hour. Eventually it passed but the thought of food was still making me feel ill so as silly as it sounds, the only thing I could face eating was a little mini bar of chocolate and a bowl of rice krispies :eek:

I saw someone else had an upset stomach too after an LSR but you reckon it was the gels upsetting you?

I brought a gel with me (like I always do an LSR just in case) but during the run felt I didn't need it - and I was happy about that and felt it was better my body get used to naturally digging in and getting through it without the help of sports drinks or gels. Should I train myself on each LSR to take in gels in prep for the big day?

I just wanted to apologise as I feel responsible for something I said the other day. I didn't mean to put a downer on the thread or make people worry when I asked about goal time of the marathon. I'm 100% in agreement that we should all enjoy it and just focus on finishing and not have the pressure of a time. I was just curious based on my times how I'd fair if I was able to maintain that. I know that is pretty much impossible though.

Can I double check with someone, I know this is probably going to frighten the pros that I'm only checking this now but I have been following my heart rate prior to now but I'd like to be aware of both. (I'm lucky enough to have access to an experienced marathon runner who recommend I follow this method of training).
Anyway, What pace do you think I should run my LSR's at from now on?

Hey pink. If you're feeling thirsty when running then drink. You're not going to do yourself any favours by not drinking. If this is persistent, if it doesn't adjust for temperature and particularly if you're always thirsty go see your GP. As a general rule I find that my water consumption goes up and down with my carb consumption. It may be something worth keeping an eye on.

If eating 1.5 hrs before your run is new then that could be the source of your nausea.

In respect of gels you should trial them in training to find out what you can handle and ideally you should test one in a race to get a handle on how you want to consume them in a race environment. Otherwise avoid them as much as you can to help build your fat burning capacities but carry one with you on long runs. It gets you out of a hole if you hit the wall and gives you practice of carrying one.

HR is a pretty good way of judging your effort and for teaching you how each effort level feels like provided that you have a reasonably accurate Max measurement. Based on your ten mile and half being relatively easy I'd be expecting your long run pace to be between 9:30 and 10:15 min per mile.

BIRDCAGE1 · 28-08-2015 12:31PM

Happy days, I'm just back in from this weeks LSR of 14 miles [avg pace 10.50/mile] and I managed to complete the whole thing without any problems or having to stop - this is the first LSR in 3 weeks that has actually worked out for me. I was starting to get a bit panicky there for a while, but no more.

My LSRs for the remaining weeks look like this......
14-16
16
1/2 Marathon
16-18
18-20
18-20
10
Marathon day

Question: Is it normal that the tips of your fingers go all numb after a LSR run, mine have done this the last few long runs?

Marathon Goals....
Plan A - under 4.30
Plan B - under 5 hours
Plan C - crawl over the finish line, on all fours, around the 7hr mark with the guys closing the course behind me, as everyone else will be long gone home at that stage.

I'm off for the weekend to enjoy a friends Wedding, where hopefully I won't undo too much of my good training work in the last few weeks. This will be my last and only indulgent social outing before the big day.

chrislad · 28-08-2015 12:40PM

BIRDCAGE1 wrote: »

Question: Is it normal that the tips of your fingers go all numb after a LSR run, mine have done this the last few long runs?

I used to get this, until I got into the habit of keeping my arms a bit loose and my fingers apart. Fists felt more natural at first, but I got used to it fairly fast.

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