DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

Mrs Mc · 27-08-2015 01:34PM

Singer wrote: »

Morning folks,

Should we get together and have another group LSR on Saturday week? Or leave it until after the half? (or both?)

I was looking at alternate routes that aren't running around the Phoenix Park, i.e. figuring out a 20 mile route that takes in at least some of the marathon route itself, though I'm more than happy to just do the park again

Great idea im up for that Toulouse I've 17 to day that day so could get 1 mile in beforehand like the last time and do 16 with you ?

Mrs Mc · 27-08-2015 01:35PM

FeenaM wrote: »

Did my LSR last night of 17 miles and while the run went well, I was really sick after I finished! I parked at entrance to Phoenix Park and looped back by my car at least 3 times for water and I took two gels. It was definitely the electrolytes and gels that made turned my stomach and actually never want to take/see another one again. I have a really clean diet (as in I never ever eat any processed food/drinks) so I think my body just didn't deal well with me introducing all this stuff with sweetener, etc. must look into the electrolyte tabs and other natural things I can take for carbs throughout runs, maybe Nakd bars?

In light of my stomach upset last night I have also done out my goals for the marathon:

Goal A is to not s**t myself
Goal B is 3.39
Goal C is 3.40
Goal D is to finish at all

Let's hope I can achieve 2 of these goals :-)

Well done Feena and here's hoping plan A is the same for all of us !!!

BIRDCAGE1 · 27-08-2015 02:06PM

KingMambo26 wrote: »

I think it is important to remind ourselves that we've come a long way since week 1 back in June. If you're ever in doubt about you abilities as a runner or you're having a bad day in the running department just ask yourself "What was I doing this time last year?" and I think the answer will show you how stronger you are.

I couldn't agree more. I was heading out for a run last week and my wife asked how far I was doing that night, I replied 'it's just a quick 4 miles tonight' ...... it made me stop for a second and I replied back ' I bet you never thought you'd hear THAT sentence come out of my mouth'.....

This Fat Girl Runs · 27-08-2015 02:47PM

BIRDCAGE1 wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. I was heading out for a run last week and my wife asked how far I was doing that night, I replied 'it's just a quick 4 miles tonight' ...... it made me stop for a second and I replied back ' I bet you never thought you'd hear THAT sentence come out of my mouth'.....

I did the same thing. I mentioned my 'short' 6 mile run to someone the other day. That threw me for a loop when I realized what I'd said!

Speaking of 6 miles; I think starting next week I'm going to go straight from work into my run. Saves me going home to change and get back out the door. I'm not liking the evenings getting darker earlier!

If I change at work then go run I can buy myself some daylight. I have that backpack from last year's DCM race series which should work for that.

How is everyone else going to handle the dwindling daylight?

aquinn · 27-08-2015 03:14PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

I did the same thing. I mentioned my 'short' 6 mile run to someone the other day. That threw me for a loop when I realized what I'd said!

Speaking of 6 miles; I think starting next week I'm going to go straight from work into my run. Saves me going home to change and get back out the door. I'm not liking the evenings getting darker earlier! If I change at work then go run I can buy myself some daylight. I have that backpack from last year's DCM race series which should work for that.

How is everyone else going to handle the dwindling daylight?

I, personally, wouldn't advise running with a backpack as it may affect your posture and run style with the additional weight. I'd recommend getting very organised and only running home with bare essentials and then bring all work gear home the next day. Don't be carrying it all home with you. Keys/wallet phone on run home.
Waste of time getting home to change and getting back out so if you have an option to run from work I'd definitely take it. I like running on lunch but it may not work for all.

sudzy25 · 27-08-2015 03:26PM

Hi there,

I am looking for a training partner for my long runs @ the weekend usually and 8-10 miles Wednesdays. My pace average is about 9.10 /mi but sometimes I am faster depending on length of run etc. Anyway if you are interested and feel like doing 15 miles Friday evening, based in north Dublin but will travel. PM me, cheers!

Toulouse · 27-08-2015 03:36PM

Mrs Mc wrote: »

Great idea im up for that Toulouse I've 17 to day that day so could get 1 mile in beforehand like the last time and do 16 with you ?

Nice one, you're on!

I could just do 17 either, what's a mile between friends eh?

Toulouse · 27-08-2015 03:40PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

How is everyone else going to handle the dwindling daylight?

I'm lucky in that I can finish work at 4 so that leaves me in daylight for my short runs. I've started to run to work for my midweek longish run and then LSRs are Saturday mornings.

For the work run I leave pretty much everything there the day before and run in with just the bare minimum (keys, gels, phone, etc) in a little backpack.

I might be heading back to college in September so if that happens I'll have to fit the two short runs in at lunch but I'll jiggle it all around until it works.

BIRDCAGE1 · 27-08-2015 03:44PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

How is everyone else going to handle the dwindling daylight?

I attempted to use the work gym the other week to do a 6 mile run on the threadmill to save some time gong home, changing etc..

...never again, I completed the 6 miles alright, but it was the most boring thing I've ever done. You really can't beat having the wind in your hair and the different scenery around you.

Toulouse · 27-08-2015 03:44PM

Mrs Mc wrote: »

Great idea im up for that Toulouse I've 17 to day that day so could get 1 mile in beforehand like the last time and do 16 with you ?

Actually wait, is that Saturday the 5th, in which case I'll be in a field in Laois.

aquinn · 27-08-2015 03:52PM

Toulouse wrote: »

Actually wait, is that Saturday the 5th, in which case I'll be in a field in Laois.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Laois.

Firedance · 27-08-2015 04:06PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

How is everyone else going to handle the dwindling daylight?

that's a good question and for anyone who does not have it here
is the link to the RSA where you can order Free hi vis gear, I got some myself last week, the vests are great as are the arm bands. It will get to the stage where you have to run in the dark unless you can run at lunchtime so look at possible (safe well lit) routes now, get lots of flashing lights and definitely leave the earphones behind on the dark evenings

Peadar_85 · 27-08-2015 04:33PM

Just on the topic of gels, I suppose like everybody I'm hoping to be travelling as light as possible on the day but appreciate I will need some of my own nutrition with me. From the course map is it just the mile 17 point where there'll be official gels available and at that, is it a first come/first served arrangement or plenty to go around? I'm assuming the other Tipperary and Lucozade zones are exclusively liquid only stops

annapr · 27-08-2015 04:39PM

sudzy25 wrote: »

Hi there,

I am looking for a training partner for my long runs @ the weekend usually and 8-10 miles Wednesdays. My pace average is about 9.10 /mi but sometimes I am faster depending on length of run etc. Anyway if you are interested and feel like doing 15 miles Friday evening, based in north Dublin but will travel. PM me, cheers!

Hi Susan, just to point out that 9:10/mi seems way too fast for a marathon training plan 'easy' run, based on the times you posted in your first post here. One of the recurring themes on this thread is... (Expect chorus of novices to join in).... SLOW DOWN. Your LSR should be much slower than your planned marathon pace. If you read some of Dubgal's earlier posts, it's all explained.

neilthefunkeone · 27-08-2015 04:40PM

Yeah from last year i think i only saw gels at the mile 17 stop.. But there was table loads of them..
Still people cant help themselves with free stuff.. Saw a guy grab 2 hand fulls of them and shoot off!

duffer247 · 27-08-2015 04:41PM

BIRDCAGE1 wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. I was heading out for a run last week and my wife asked how far I was doing that night, I replied 'it's just a quick 4 miles tonight' ...... it made me stop for a second and I replied back ' I bet you never thought you'd hear THAT sentence come out of my mouth'.....

I agree, the other night I turned to head for home to keep to the planned 4 mile rec run and I was wishing I could keep running, think back only a couple of months ago and I was probably dying to turn back!

HelenAnne · 27-08-2015 04:41PM

aquinn wrote: »

I, personally, wouldn't advise running with a backpack as it may affect your posture and run style with the additional weight. I'd recommend getting very organised and only running home with bare essentials and then bring all work gear home the next day. Don't be carrying it all home with you. Keys/wallet phone on run home.
Waste of time getting home to change and getting back out so if you have an option to run from work I'd definitely take it. I like running on lunch but it may not work for all.

I'd agree. I have a little waist pack thing. I change at work, just bring my keys and bus pass and phone, and then the next day bring my previous day's work clothes etc home on the bus. I sometimes run to work too -- I just leave work clothes, towel, breakfast food etc in the office the day before. I always have to remember to make sure I have spare glasses at home if I run home in contact lenses or I'll be blind all evening at home!

Mrs Mc · 27-08-2015 04:50PM

Toulouse wrote: »

Actually wait, is that Saturday the 5th, in which case I'll be in a field in Laois.

Yep ! Just sent you a pm anyway cause I've to do 6 miles mp that week so would might not suit think you've a straight 16 on HH that week.

menoscemo · 27-08-2015 04:53PM

annapr wrote: »

Hi Susan, just to point out that 9:10/mi seems way too fast for a marathon training plan 'easy' run, based on the times you posted in your first post here. One of the recurring themes on this thread is... (Expect chorus of novices to join in).... SLOW DOWN. Your LSR should be much slower than your planned marathon pace. If you read some of Dubgal's earlier posts, it's all explained.

Not just the LSR, shorter runs should also be slowed down to LSR pace. From the OP's 1st post, her 10 mile race pace from Saturday is about 9:30/mile so the LSRs and easy runs should be 11+min/mile.

Toulouse · 27-08-2015 05:20PM

aquinn wrote: »

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Laois.

I'm from Laois o_O

chrislad · 27-08-2015 05:42PM

Feeling a bit tender tonight, so I'm going to give the 4 mile a miss. I've done two extra miles this week anyway, but I just don't feel it tonight. Just feel a bit battered so a night in with a movie is the plan!

27-08-2015 05:48PM

Sooooo I haven't run since my recovery run on Sunday

My trainer had told me to push my tempo run out from Tuesday to Wednesday night, and if I was still sore at all to take Tuesday off entirely - which I did. I've been feeling really unwell since the race and not feeling like I'm getting enough sleep despite getting plenty. So I didn't go out last night for my tempo run, spoke to my trainer this morning and he said just run easy tonight, rest tomorrow, and long over the weekend.

Since I spoke to him, I almost fainted in the canteen in work earlier, so I'm not going to run tonight as it would be a silly idea. Really pissed off, but just feel like it'd be worse if I pushed myself when I'm not feeling good and might end up being out of action longer than necessary.

Home to put my feet up I guess

laura_ac3 · 27-08-2015 06:13PM

Couple of people posting about making the decisions to skip runs. As someone said to me on this thread last year, it's important to listen to your body and what it's telling you. Of course, there's a difference between that and needing a bit of a kick when you should be out. But you can often tell the difference and sometimes you will get a bit more out of an occasional night off, once you ordinarily have that consistency.

Whoopsy - fainting doesn't sound good, hope you're ok. No harm in maybe getting bloods or iron tested if you're feeling off as the miles are building.

Firedance · 27-08-2015 06:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sooooo I haven't run since my recovery run on Sunday

My trainer had told me to push my tempo run out from Tuesday to Wednesday night, and if I was still sore at all to take Tuesday off entirely - which I did. I've been feeling really unwell since the race and not feeling like I'm getting enough sleep despite getting plenty. So I didn't go out last night for my tempo run, spoke to my trainer this morning and he said just run easy tonight, rest tomorrow, and long over the weekend.

Since I spoke to him, I almost fainted in the canteen in work earlier, so I'm not going to run tonight as it would be a silly idea. Really pissed off, but just feel like it'd be worse if I pushed myself when I'm not feeling good and might end up being out of action longer than necessary.

Home to put my feet up I guess

Definitely take as many days as you need to recover, the race could have taken more out of you than you realise, as Laura said maybe no harm to get a check up. Feel better soon, mind yourself & keep us posted

Mrs Mc · 27-08-2015 06:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sooooo I haven't run since my recovery run on Sunday

My trainer had told me to push my tempo run out from Tuesday to Wednesday night, and if I was still sore at all to take Tuesday off entirely - which I did. I've been feeling really unwell since the race and not feeling like I'm getting enough sleep despite getting plenty. So I didn't go out last night for my tempo run, spoke to my trainer this morning and he said just run easy tonight, rest tomorrow, and long over the weekend.

Since I spoke to him, I almost fainted in the canteen in work earlier, so I'm not going to run tonight as it would be a silly idea. Really pissed off, but just feel like it'd be worse if I pushed myself when I'm not feeling good and might end up being out of action longer than necessary.

Home to put my feet up I guess

Mind yourself G take it handy and as the mentors say listen to your body. Hope you feel better after resting.

chrislad · 27-08-2015 07:23PM

laura_ac3 wrote: »

Couple of people posting about making the decisions to skip runs. As someone said to me on this thread last year, it's important to listen to your body and what it's telling you. Of course, there's a difference between that and needing a bit of a kick when you should be out. But you can often tell the difference and sometimes you will get a bit more out of an occasional night off, once you ordinarily have that consistency.

Whoopsy - fainting doesn't sound good, hope you're ok. No harm in maybe getting bloods or iron tested if you're feeling off as the miles are building.

I agree. Chances are that I will go for a 2mile run before 8am tomorrow to stretch the legs before the 19miler.

nop98 · 27-08-2015 07:34PM

Singer wrote: »

Morning folks,

Should we get together and have another group LSR on Saturday week? Or leave it until after the half? (or both?)

I was looking at alternate routes that aren't running around the Phoenix Park, i.e. figuring out a 20 mile route that takes in at least some of the marathon route itself, though I'm more than happy to just do the park again

What time are you thinking, Singer?

I need to do my LSR at daft o'clock on that Saturday morning, so it doesn't impact too much on family time (like I'm so much the fun-loving dad after a 20 miler!).... I'm off for work the week after so can't take the entire Saturday morning, too.

So unless anyone wants to meet at <7am, I guess I'll be going solo and slightly nuts.

B.t.w. I am starting to change my mind to do part of the course during the very long LSRs. 19/20 miles in itself will be such a challenge that just completing that will be enough. I am planning to use the two shorter LSRs in the last couple of weeks (8M and 14M) to do the course recce.

Kennyg71 · 27-08-2015 08:08PM

Mrs Mc wrote: »

Well that went s*it 8 miles easy on the cards Mrs Kennyg kept me company for 5 miles and had to head off the collect Kenny juniors. Was conscious of the tight calves during the run and the niggle in my Achilles. Went on to do the remaining 3 myself and missed the chitter chatter and started to notice the tightness more. Packed it in after 1.2 miles. Got 6.2 miles done but not 8. Am putting it down to massage last night may still have some pain from working out the muscles. Might take a break tomorrow instead of Friday and run Friday assess the situation again. Feeling fed up hopefully will get a pep talk from the hubby ... The advantages of having a mentor at home !!

Hi A, know it's been hashed out, only reading now,
I got massage, last Tuesday, felt like bag of crap all
Last weeks runs, Epsom salt bath & some serious
Stretching On Friday night before race & felt a lot
Better, feet into bucket ice water Sat night about
15 mins & brand new for Sunday recovery run.

Legs feel better this week, maybe u need bit of
Welly dancing weekend with Tolouse to loosen calfs.

Singer · 27-08-2015 08:30PM

Mrs Mc wrote: »

Great idea im up for that Toulouse I've 17 to day that day so could get 1 mile in beforehand like the last time and do 16 with you ?

So I was thinking something like this:
mapmyrun.png?raw=1

1. Start in the Phoenix Park. Parking's a lot easier.
2. Meetup somewhere zooish, follow the 10 mile route down to Coyningham Road.
3. (Joining Marathon route) Go across Chapelizod Bridge, go through Kilmainham and head up the SCR.
4. (Leave Marathon route) Follow the canal to Ranelagh
5. (Joining Marathon route) Head up through Milltown, up Mount Everest and out past UCD etc.
6. Down past RTE, Shelbourne Road, and sprint the last few hundred metres of the marathon route

7. Plod around to the starting line, follow the Marathon route to the Phoenix Park
8. Folks who want to do 20 miles or whatever can run around the park for a bit.
9. Coffee and cakes! (In the place beside the zoo?)

The other options I looked at were to follow the marathon route and skip the park, or run down the canal instead of heading out through Crumlin, but they were all at least 20+ miles. The advantage of going down the canal is it'll largely be unbroken.

nop: not sure about starting at 7AM. If everybody else is on for it then maybe

ratracer · 27-08-2015 08:50PM

This week is the first time I've run four days in a row, ever I'd say!! It hasn't been too bad, but I'm looking forward to the rest day tomorrow. I'm also hitting unknown territory with the LSR on Saturday at 25km eek;(

This is compunded by the fact I'm working Saturday so I have two options a) get up very very very early (for me anyway) at 5.20, and run most of the way to work, to be there for 8.30, or b) run 25km on the treadmill during the day.

I have guests in the evening so running then is not an option (dinner and wine win out every time!!)I reckon I'll go for the early option, though I'm concerned about running so far without breakfast, it'll be just banana, water and a couple of gels in the pocket!

DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

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