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US Journalists shot dead live on air [MOD WARNING in opening post]

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  • #452
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Brian2011 wrote: »
    Oh right, but surely u wouldn't get far before dropping dead.


    That depends entirely on the type of gunshot wound: you could survive anywhere from milliseconds after the shot (direct blow to neocortex) to hours, even days after the shot if shot in a non-vital location, which even in the center of mass there are a lot of places you could be shot and still function nominally for a given period of time after the attack. After all, organ failure isn't instant death, its a critical condition. And that assumes that you hit an organ; most of the shot could have been absorbed during impact with a rib or something.


  • #453
    stephenl15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭stephenl15


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Theres a thing called adrenaline Brian. When you go to big boy school you will learn about it in a class called "science".
    Apologies if 2011 isnt actually your birth year but the posts so far seem to indicate so.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Your body excretes a natural hormone when you're threatened, called Adrenaline. perhaps you've heard of it?

    Armchair experts..

    Ahh here there's no need for that superiority complex


  • #454
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Brass Eye brilliantly lampooned America's gun culture

    **Watch it Here**


  • #455
    Niemoj
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Niemoj


    Guns are illegal EU wide and sure gun crime still exists but compare those numbers to America and see the difference. I believe a condition of joining is banning gun ownership and the EU is bigger too I think so it's a culture thing not size.

    If the president can't really do anything then could they not try to campaign for reform whereby slowly, year by year that guns are removed from the media and then eventually ban them altogether. I've no idea how that would actually work but worth a shot huh?


  • #456
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Niemoj wrote: »
    Guns are illegal EU wide and sure gun crime still exists but compare those numbers to America and see the difference. I believe a condition of joining is banning gun ownership and the EU is bigger too I think so it's a culture thing not size.

    If the president can't really do anything then could they not try to campaign for reform whereby slowly, year by year that guns are removed from the media and then eventually ban them altogether. I've no idea how that would actually work but worth a shot huh?

    Its far too late for that approach. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no way the US public would accept having to hand back their firearms. Plus, it would be pretty much unenforceable to boot.


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  • #457
    RichardCeann
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    Niemoj wrote: »
    Guns are illegal EU wide

    No they are not. Czech Republic, for example, has very loose gun laws.


  • #458
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,831 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Niemoj wrote: »
    Guns are illegal EU wide and sure gun crime still exists but compare those numbers to America and see the difference. I believe a condition of joining is banning gun ownership and the EU is bigger too I think so it's a culture thing not size.

    If the president can't really do anything then could they not try to campaign for reform whereby slowly, year by year that guns are removed from the media and then eventually ban them altogether. I've no idea how that would actually work but worth a shot huh?

    But why ban them altogether just new tougher laws are needed. You don'y see Canada or Switzerland war mongering. Even Australia who restricted there laws still have a portion of there population with guns. What is needed is a good federal law for all to follow and then the states can build off them. It does not have to be one extreme or the othere


  • #459
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    Niemoj wrote: »
    Guns are illegal EU wide

    Rifles and shotguns are legal in Ireland. That is as long as the Gardai accept your request for a gun license.


  • #460
    DeadHand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Niemoj wrote: »
    Guns are illegal EU wide

    What? No they're not.

    Hundreds of Thousands of legally held guns in Ireland alone, mostly in rural areas.

    In the entire EU I'm sure it's in the tens of millions.


  • #461
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    People talked about the Manifesto left by the kid in California that rolled up in a BMW and started shooting.

    That incident is interesting for another reason: he actually stabbed more people to death than he shot. The discussion, however, quickly turned to gun laws, implying an unwillingness to discuss underlying issues.
    CabanSail wrote: »
    There was a report here the other day to say that since the gun restrictions imposed in Australia after the Port Arthur massacre there has been a sustained reduction of gun crimes.

    It's not rocket science.

    Actually, it is. University of Melbourne did a study on the effect of he 96 ban, the PDF is online. https://www.melbourneinstitute.com/downloads/working_paper_series/wp2008n17.pdf

    Conclusion was that though the bans appeared to make sense and sated public demand, there was no evidence that the restrictions had any tangible effect on firearm homicide or suicide. Yes, firearms incidents have declined, but it was a trend which had started before then ban.

    The other interesting snippet is that their neighbors in New Zealand are quite gun friendly, over a million firearms in a population of four million. No particular issues going on there, so it's an interesting counterpoint in the same general region of the world with fairly similar cultures that firearms are not really the best area of focus,
    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    I'm sure that lot and the gun fanatics will just say that if the reporters had guns they'd be fine. Its not having a gun that got them killed

    No, we are not. This is one case where it likely would not have made any difference. Unlike Chattanooga last month where a naval officer broke regulations to bring his firearm to work, shot back, and survived. (To the question of whether or not he will be charged for bringing a weapon to work)

    The ability to defend oneself is not a panacea for crime. It is a last ditch defense for an individual when all other possibilities have failed, and, like any last ditch defense, does not always work.

    I own eight firearms, all of different types and calibres for different purposes. What does it matter? I can only use one at a time anyway.


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  • #462
    Heckler
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    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    Rifles and shotguns are legal in Ireland. That is as long as the Gardai accept your request for a gun license.

    So are hanguns. The only way you can get a licence for one is if you're a member of a target shooting club. As of, i think, 2008 no new licences are issued for centerfire handguns. If you had one before then you can renew your licence. Otherwise you are limited to .22 calibre firearms.


  • #463
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Anyone see the front page of the Sun? They had a photo of the gun pointing at the crew from the first person view posted but they appear to have photoshopped in some flames coming out of the barrel.


  • #464
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,667 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Saw that alright. Classy stuff as expected.

    And yet people keep buying it.


  • #465
    Notavirus.exe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Notavirus.exe


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Anyone see the front page of the Sun? They had a photo of the gun pointing at the crew from the first person view posted but they appear to have photoshopped in some flames coming out of the barrel.

    What's wrong with that?


  • #466
    Oryx
    Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Anyone see the front page of the Sun? They had a photo of the gun pointing at the crew from the first person view posted but they appear to have photoshopped in some flames coming out of the barrel.
    They spoke about the headlines on the radio and it was assumed that was real. Disgusting.


  • #467
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Notavirus.exe wrote: »
    What's wrong with that?

    That's not when he shot them.


  • #468
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That newspaper cover was absolutely disgusting - Photoshopping a photo to make it more dramatic. Surely that's in breach of some regulation?


  • #469
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    The boyfriend is literally everywhere, wtf?

    This quote from him makes me want to hurl. I really wish someone close to him would tell him to take a few (maybe 20) steps backwards now. He is making the tragedy about him and it is actually very weird.

    “ I will be speaking about our love together, which burned white hot for only a short time, but was a kind of love that I was so privileged and lucky to have had”

    - Chris Hurst, WDBJ anchor and boyfriend of victim Alison Parker


  • #470
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That newspaper cover was absolutely disgusting - Photoshopping a photo to make it more dramatic. Surely that's in breach of some regulation?

    Agree, it was appalling. Anything to sell papers, eh!


  • #471
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thing is that they're purposefully falsifying information, by placing that muzzle flash there.

    EDIT: It is also in breach of the press code of conduct.
    1.2 When a significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distorted report or picture has been published, it shall be corrected promptly and with due prominence.


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  • #472
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thing is that they're purposefully falsifying information, by placing that muzzle flash there.

    EDIT: It is also in breach of the press code of conduct.

    Regardless of the picture, it won't bring them back and the photo has already been distributed. Not much that can be done about it now.

    It was a very creepy thing to do, and without doubt in poor taste for the families and friends of the deceased, but no point getting all het up about it. It wont change a thing.

    Even if the paper apologised, what difference does it make?


  • #473
    shampoosuicide
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭shampoosuicide


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Theres a thing called adrenaline Brian. When you go to big boy school you will learn about it in a class called "science".
    Apologies if 2011 isnt actually your birth year but the posts so far seem to indicate so.

    there's no real need to be so condescending, it's not as if he's spouting a conspiracy theory. also it's sadly not necessary to watch a fictional movie to see someone get shot (and how their body reacts) these days. all you have to do is type 'police shooting' into youtube

    edit: i thought it was unusual when i watched it too, and presumed he'd missed her.


  • #474
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Photoshopping a photo to make it more dramatic.

    Happens all the time.


  • #475
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    shampoosuicide wrote: »
    there's no real need to be so condescending, it's not as if he's spouting a conspiracy theory. also it's sadly not necessary to watch a fictional movie to see someone get shot (and how their body reacts) these days. all you have to do is type 'police shooting' into youtube

    Agreed, clearly pmasterson95 is an expert on everything and has never asked any questions or questioned anything in his life. :rolleyes:


  • #476
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That newspaper cover was absolutely disgusting - Photoshopping a photo to make it more dramatic. Surely that's in breach of some regulation?

    It was the Sun... if someone needed this cover to make them realise that the sun is disgusting then they need some enlightening.


  • #477
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Yup, having seen that headline and the photoshopped blast...the Sun really sinks lower and lower...


  • #478
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    The boyfriend is literally everywhere, wtf?

    This quote from him makes me want to hurl. I really wish someone close to him would tell him to take a few (maybe 20) steps backwards now. He is making the tragedy about him and it is actually very weird.

    “ I will be speaking about our love together, which burned white hot for only a short time, but was a kind of love that I was so privileged and lucky to have had”

    - Chris Hurst, WDBJ anchor and boyfriend of victim Alison Parker

    Yeah, weird how he keeps banging on about his murdered fiance like that. Yeah guy, we get it, you're sad.


  • #479
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    What ever about the gun problem, which I can't see going away, they need to start going after ammunition. Limit the amount you can purchase and charge $800-$1000 per bullet. Once again, what a waste of life..


  • #480
    shampoosuicide
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭shampoosuicide


    Kev W wrote: »
    Yeah, weird how he keeps banging on about his murdered fiance like that. Yeah guy, we get it, you're sad.

    i've noticed this a lot on places like reddit lately, people getting jumped on for how they choose to grieve. this poor guy's fiance didn't just die, she's had her last moments broadcasted across the media and internet, plastered across the front of gutter papers like a comic strip. maybe he's trying to counter that with something positive. it's amazing that of all the things to get angry/annoyed about in this situation that he, or how he chooses to grieve, even registers.


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  • #481
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Maybe he figures this was the best way to memorialize her? To get her out to as many people as possible while they still care, and before the next thing shows up on the news cycle.

    Speaking of news cycle, an article from two days ago just crossed my desk. The chief of police of Detroit has been in the news for two reasons. Firstly, he's the first chief of police to have any great success at lowering the ridiculous crime rate recently, and secondly, because part of his policy was to reverse his predecessors and not just stop prohibiting people carrying firearms, he actively called upon the private citizenry to arm themselves. In addition to crime rates in general going down, home invasion rates plummeted the first year by over 30%, and have dropped a further 18% his second year. As part of an overall package of measures, it would appear that more legal guns on the streets are, indeed, not a particular problem.


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