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27-08-2015 04:18PM

Why do you own five guns?

BattleCorp · 27-08-2015 04:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do you own five guns?

Go back one page where I explained why I have five guns.

Witcher · 27-08-2015 04:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do you own five guns?

He already explained it.

I own four myself, not usual for target shooters to own 8 or 9 here.

briany · 27-08-2015 04:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do you own five guns?

For that sweet five-gun-one-trigger-array.

27-08-2015 04:22PM

Ha, I was being frivolous.

beks101 · 27-08-2015 04:36PM

Another shooting ongoing in a Mississippi university right now. This is getting ridiculous.

pmasterson95 · 27-08-2015 04:37PM

beks101 wrote: »

Another shooting ongoing in a Mississippi university right now. This is getting ridiculous.

You obviously cant blame guns.

Witcher · 27-08-2015 04:40PM

beks101 wrote: »

Another shooting ongoing in a Mississippi university right now. This is getting ridiculous.

Suspect has been arrested.

Nodin · 27-08-2015 04:44PM

cdeb wrote: »

Target shooting - why would you need to own a gun? I presume target shooting is done down a range - why not borrow one at the range? And a pellet gun at that - why does it need to be a full gun? And why would you need to own five?.

Practicing shooting a large calibre hunting rifle using a pellet gun.....akin to practicing a moon landing by parking a bike.

Why do people (all too frequently adults) collect those "bobble head" things?

cdeb wrote: »

Protection to me sounds very close to the American concept of "If we arm everyone, no-one gets killed" - which is obviously highly dangerous..

Is it indeed? Rather ignores the dangers in certain states of bear and snakes, not to mention the need to protect domestic animals and livestock.

cdeb wrote: »

Hunting? Really? Do you need five guns to go off killing animals?..

If you shoot a rabbit with the same rifle you'd take down a large deer with, you might get lucky and have a tail to show for your efforts.

BattleCorp · 27-08-2015 04:47PM

Nodin wrote: »

If you shoot a rabbit with the same rifle you'd take down a large deer with, you might get lucky and have a tail to show for your efforts.

If you shoot a deer with a low power calibre rifle, you can't kill the animal humanely and is therefore illegal. Expect a court appearance if the Gardai catch you shooting at a deer with a low calibre firearm.

The Gardai actually insist that you have a high calibre rifle for that job.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 27-08-2015 04:51PM

The shooter sounds like a bitter loser with a victim complexion. He was let go from the station because was totally inept at his job, scoring 1 out 5 in his last performance review.

Diamond Doll · 27-08-2015 04:57PM

beks101 wrote: »

Another shooting ongoing in a Mississippi university right now. This is getting ridiculous.

From what I've read, he didn't get around to shooting anyone before he was arrested, thankfully!

beks101 · 27-08-2015 05:02PM

pmasterson95 wrote: »

You obviously cant blame guns.

I think the problem is so endemic at this point that it's become a case of one-upmanship for narcissistic sociopaths. Who can claim the next biggest and most horrifying shooting of the day? Yer man live tweeted his own snuf video right after he assassinated a reporter and camera man live on air, for fcuk sake. Go big or go home, like.

I don't get people who dance around the obvious issue of America's gun laws, despite the frequency and gravity of these shootings getting worse on a daily basis. Students, young kids, cinema-goer, politicians, journalists. Who next? Let's call a spade a spade. Yes, crazy people will be crazy, murderers will be murderers, but no-one bar a trained military fighter or ninja is going to walk into a school and murder 20 kids with the speed, precision and absolute unstoppability of some crazy motherfcuker armed with an AR-15 assault weapon.

A good article on how Australia got their sh1t together with this problem:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/port-arthur-massacre-shooting-spree-changed-australia-gun-laws-n396476

27-08-2015 05:32PM

Amazing how much this proves that Charlie Brooker clip - you have mass news coverage of shootings like this one, there'll be more to follow shortly.

When will the media and, well, us, ever learn?

StevieNicksFan · 27-08-2015 05:44PM

This outbreak of gun massacres is just one vicious cycle that is repeated over and over. Guy shoots people, media rush to get the story, shooter's face is all over news/social media. His name is now publicly known all over the world. Person at home decides that the world is against him/disgruntled employee/student/whatever, sees this guy getting 'fame' for getting his own back. Is inspired to get a gun and it's back to guy shoots people.

Its sorta ironic that a news station who earns money from these sorts of exclusive 'scoops' now realises the actual impact of this 'glorifying the murderer' approach. They are directly involved in this cycle but on this occasion in more ways than one.

I dont think guns are the issue. They are an issue in the sense that you can murder many in the shortest time possible, but I think it's more psychological. This 'woe is me' mentality is the root of the problem and this mentality is glorified in the media. If those absolute sickos didnt have access to guns, they would find other ways.

darkpagandeath · 27-08-2015 05:46PM

StevieNicksFan wrote: »

This outbreak of gun massacres is just one vicious cycle that is repeated over and over. Guy shoots people, media rush to get the story, shooter's face is all over news/social media. His name is now publicly known all over the world. Person at home decides that the world is against him/disgruntled employee/student/whatever, sees this guy getting 'fame' for getting his own back. Is inspired to get a gun and it's back to guy shoots people.

Its sorta ironic that a news station who earns money from these sorts of exclusive 'scoops' now realises the actual impact of this 'glorifying the murderer' approach. They are directly involved in this cycle but on this occasion in more ways than one.

I dont think guns are the issue. They are an issue in the sense that you can murder many in the shortest time possible, but I think it's more psychological. This 'woe is me' mentality is the root of the problem and this mentality is glorified in the media. If those absolute sickos didnt have access to guns, they would find other ways.

Why does it not happen to the same extent in other countries with guns ?

StevieNicksFan · 27-08-2015 05:51PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why does it not happen to the same extent in other countries with guns ?

I dont know the answer to that but mass murder is mass murder regardless of the weapons used, e.g bombings in Ireland for years and killing innocent people in the process. Its reported on and then theres a retaliation. Thats just a simple example but as I say people will find ways of killing people. Doesnt have to be guns

briany · 27-08-2015 05:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Amazing how much this proves that Charlie Brooker clip - you have mass news coverage of shootings like this one, there'll be more to follow shortly.

When will the media and, well, us, ever learn?

Let's be honest, a media blackout on these kinds of events wouldn't really work. There's no way, in this day and age, that you can keep a lid on that kind of information. All you can really do is move the source. So, if you put a gag order on every news outlet, it'll just come out through Twitter or wherever else. This is because there is a great demand for this kind of information. People, in general, are fascinated by these kinds of sensational events and the people behind them. It's why we remember Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy, but most could not even name one of his victims. And we can't blame the tabloid news media anymore because so many of us get to pick and choose what media we consume. If we don't like Big News dissecting the events of a shooting, or some other horrible event, we can turn it off, but if we're clicking on those Internet links, we've only ourselves to blame. Evidently there are a few rubberneckers out there as the shooting videos have racked up millions of views on Youtube in little over a day. The reason the media sensationalize these events is simply because we created that monster. They do it, and we roar in approval via big ratings.

There's no way you can make a story like yesterday's as boring as possible. The raw facts are interesting, and even just reporting those would make people very interested. If you didn't follow up the story, people would just rush off to the outlet that was and you'd lose market share. At the end of the day, news media puts out what sells.

darkpagandeath · 27-08-2015 05:56PM

StevieNicksFan wrote: »

I dont know the answer to that but mass murder is mass murder regardless of the weapons used, e.g bombings in Ireland for years and killing innocent people in the process. Its reported on and then theres a retaliation. Thats just a simple example but as I say people will find ways of killing people. Doesnt have to be guns

One cannot use the Troubles as an example it's not remotely similar. There have been mass killings in the UK for example with Nuts with guns. And reported on heavily at the time. Nothing close to what happens in the US of A

Brian2011 · 27-08-2015 06:03PM

How does a person shot at close range like that manage to run away like that??

StevieNicksFan · 27-08-2015 06:04PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

One cannot use the Troubles as an example it's not remotely similar. There have been mass killings in the UK for example with Nuts with guns. And reported on heavily at the time. Nothing close to what happens in the US of A

Mass murder is mass murder regardless of weaponry. Still the same devastation among families. So do you believe that if guns were completely banned that all the psychopaths in the USA would disappear? Do you not believe that their impulse to kill would be so great that they would find other ways to do it? I dont think that someone in that state of mind would abort their plan because a gun wasnt at their disposal. That is the nature of mental illness i'm afraid. Heck the way the world has turned with social media I could nearly guarantee that someone will up their game to try and be more inventive with their methods and therefore gain more publicity. Its gone to pot altogether

stephenl15 · 27-08-2015 06:05PM

Brian2011 wrote: »

How does a person shot at close range like that manage to run away like that??

Because you're not watching a Hollywood film Brian

darkpagandeath · 27-08-2015 06:07PM

StevieNicksFan wrote: »

Mass murder is mass murder regardless of weaponry. Still the same devastation among families. So do you believe that if guns were completely banned that all the psychopaths in the USA would disappear? Do you not believe that their impulse to kill would be so great that they would find other ways to do it? I dont think that someone in that state of mind would abort their plan because a gun wasnt at their disposal. That is the nature of mental illness i'm afraid. Heck the way the world has turned with social media I could nearly guarantee that someone will up their game to try and be more inventive with their methods and therefore gain more publicity. Its gone to pot altogether

Is one trying to say Americans have a higher rate of Mental illness than every other nation with guns ? That's not credible at all. America has loads of guns and easy access to them. Mental health is a cheap cop out.

Brian2011 · 27-08-2015 06:08PM

stephenl15 wrote: »

Because you're not watching a Hollywood film Brian

But u would think the pain would be so severe that u would just drop??

darkpagandeath · 27-08-2015 06:09PM

Brian2011 wrote: »

But u would think the pain would be so severe that u would just drop??

Oh dear god.....

Overheal · 27-08-2015 06:15PM

Your body excretes a natural hormone when you're threatened, called Adrenaline. perhaps you've heard of it?

Armchair experts..

pmasterson95 · 27-08-2015 06:16PM

Brian2011 wrote: »

But u would think the pain would be so severe that u would just drop??

Theres a thing called adrenaline Brian. When you go to big boy school you will learn about it in a class called "science".
Apologies if 2011 isnt actually your birth year but the posts so far seem to indicate so.

StevieNicksFan · 27-08-2015 06:17PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Is one trying to say Americans have a higher rate of Mental illness than every other nation with guns ? That's not credible at all. America has loads of guns and easy access to them. Mental health is a cheap cop out.

I see what your saying but I think we have to look at the frame of mind more so than weapons used. What spurs people to do this? Its not because they have a gun, its because they want to murder people. Yes, the weapon they use just happens to be a gun but you cant be sane in the head to open fire on innocent people. Mental illness is obviously directly related. When back stories come out about these shooters you always hear about grievances and prior issues. Theres always more of a reason than 'oh I have a gun', you know what I mean?

Brian2011 · 27-08-2015 06:18PM

Overheal wrote: »

Your body excretes a natural hormone when you're threatened, called Adrenaline. perhaps you've heard of it?

Armchair experts..

Oh right, but surely u wouldn't get far before dropping dead.

Kev W · 27-08-2015 06:20PM

Brian2011 wrote: »

Oh right, but surely u wouldn't get far before dropping dead.

That depends on a lot of factors.

US Journalists shot dead live on air [MOD WARNING in opening post]

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