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US Journalists shot dead live on air [MOD WARNING in opening post]

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  • #212
    Dots1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Dots1982


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    What the heck does that mean?

    I guess it means that the aftermath of the last mass shooting in the US focused on the perpetrators racist motives and he was white. This shooting also appears to have a race element though more oblique and it's likely it won't be discussed in the media .


  • #213
    Sunflower 27
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    frostyjacks wrote: »
    He sued another TV network for racism before he was asked to leave. Seems he played the race card and lost.

    The guy is clearly unhinged. People can 'play the race card' but using that to murder two people.... that's taking play the race card a bit far.

    Apparently the cameraman's fiancé saw the whole thing live as she was at the station. Absolutely horrific thing to see and to be helpless to do anything for him.


  • #214
    darkpagandeath
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    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    The guy is clearly unhinged. People can 'play the race card' but using that to murder two people.... that's taking play the race card a bit far.

    Apparently the cameraman's fiancé saw the whole thing live as she was at the station. Absolutely horrific thing to see and to be helpless to do anything for him.

    Yet if it was a White cop shooting the race card would be fine. :confused:


  • #215
    Sunflower 27
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    So the whole fact that the shooter tried the race approach and lost is coincidental ?

    What do you know about the race 'approach'? I don't know anything at all. Just that he claimed a racist remark was made. Now, if a remark is said between two people it is very hard to prove if the other person says 'no, I didn't say that'.


  • #216
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The older woman being interviewed is also in a critical condition.


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  • #217
    RasTa
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    So the whole fact that the shooter tried the race approach and lost is coincidental ?

    Of course as he knew his victims. He didn't just walk up to two white people and kill them for being white.

    He used his own messed up ideals for justification for their killings afterwards by saying they got him fired and were actual racists etc etc and then shot himself.


  • #218
    Sunflower 27
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Yet if it was a White cop shooting the race card would be fine. :confused:

    Is that what you think? Because that is not what I stated or implied.


  • #219
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    RasTa wrote: »
    Of course as he knew his victims. He didn't just walk up to two white people and kill them for being white.

    He used his own messed up ideals for justification for their killings afterwards by saying they got him fired and were actual racists etc etc and then shot himself.

    How does one know that ?


  • #220
    RasTa
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    How does one know that ?

    So you believe he had no vendetta against this person? You see race as the issue and I see a mental health issue. Not sure why you want to but go right ahead. Pointless debating with you.


  • #221
    Eugene Norman
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    Hard to argue this wasn't a racially motivated attack.


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  • #222
    enda1
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    How does one know that ?

    He tweeted about it for a start


  • #223
    wakka12
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    Ahh this is so sad , hope the parents weren't watching the broadcasts . Awful to see your son or daughters last moments like that


  • #224
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    How does one know that ?

    Probably the same way you know a racist remark had nothing to do with what happened.


  • #225
    lawlolawl
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    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Hard to argue this wasn't a racially motivated attack.

    Doesn't count because the perpetrator wasn't a white guy.

    Racism is only possible if you are a white male, apparently. I fully expect to be banned for this post.


  • #226
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    So let me guess the Racial issue in this one will be swept under the carpet as the wrong Race did the shooting ? The shooter already brought Race into it with accusations to the network bringing the Equal Opportunity Employment Committee to the table. And then happened to shoot a white reporter and a white cameraman.

    From the looks of it, race has nothing to do with it. He was a disgruntled ex-employee who happened to be black, the cameraman and reporter were the unfortunate pair that happened to be in his vicinity.

    This is not the same as police seeming to shoot a lot more black people than white people in routine or relatively routine stops. To suggest it is is a nasty bit of politicisation of a tragic event.

    Somehow though, I'm not surprised.

    On the note of the actual shooting, just saw about it now from this thread. Absolutely horrible stuff, and bloody awful for the people back at the station who had to cut it and somehow deal with it, not knowing entirely what had just happened, live on air. Also awful that her fiance and his fiancee were both in the station too.


  • #227
    darkpagandeath
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    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    Probably the same way you know a racist remark had nothing to do with what happened.

    "Alison Made Racist comment" Shooters tweet.


  • #228
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Thought experiment.

    White guy kills two black employees.
    Claims they made racist remarks. Called him cracker (or whatever)

    Is that racially motivated.


  • #229
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Samaris wrote: »
    From the looks of it, race has nothing to do with it.

    Yeah, that tends to happen once the perpetrator is anything but white.


  • #230
    wakka12
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    "Alison Made Racist comment" Shooters tweet.

    Why are we even discussing this like what the **** I don't care what she said or how racist it was it doesn't make it anymore okay that he murdered her


  • #231
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    "Alison Made Racist comment" Shooters tweet.

    Well there we have it. I mean if you can't trust the tweets of a spree killer what can you trust?


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  • #232
    darkpagandeath
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Why are we even discussing this like what the **** I don't care what she said or how racist it was it doesn't make it anymore okay that he murdered her

    It does matter as if it was Racially motivated it's a Hate crime.


  • #233
    frostyjacks
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    Samaris wrote: »
    From the looks of it, race has nothing to do with it. He was a disgruntled ex-employee who happened to be black, the cameraman and reporter were the unfortunate pair that happened to be in his vicinity.

    Eh? They happened to be in his vicinity? Like this was some tragic accident?

    Race seems to be the main factor in this shooting.


  • #234
    darkpagandeath
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    Kev W wrote: »
    Well there we have it. I mean if you can't trust the tweets of a spree killer what can you trust?

    I think you will find that tweet would be taken very seriously in a court of law for example.


  • #235
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    It does matter as if it was Racially motivated it's a Hate crime.

    Don't be silly.

    Things can only be racially motivated race crimes if white people did them.


  • #236
    shinny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭shinny


    Live stream press conference with Franklin County police: http://abcnews.go.com/live?stream=1


  • #237
    briany
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    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Thought experiment.

    White guy kills two black employees.
    Claims they made racist remarks. Called him cracker (or whatever)

    Is that racially motivated.

    Counter thought experiment.

    Fat guy kills two skinny employees.
    Claims they made remarks about his size. Said he should just eat rice crackers (or whatever)

    Is that size motivated.


  • #238
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    briany wrote: »
    Counter thought experiment.

    Fat guy kills two skinny employees.
    Claims they made remarks about his size. Said he should just eat rice crackers (or whatever)

    Is that size motivated.

    Surely. Absolutely. Most definitely.

    But you didn't answer my thought experiment except with a question. Try again.


  • #239
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I think you will find that tweet would be taken very seriously in a court of law for example.

    Were you not saying a few pages back that race had nothing to do with it?

    You skimmed a few news stories online and then came on here sprouting that this was not about race. You have NO idea what motivated that man to do what he did. Suggesting otherwise is laughable.


  • #240
    darkpagandeath
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    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    Were you not saying a few pages back that race had nothing to do with it?

    You skimmed a few news stories online and then came on here sprouting that this was not about race. You have NO idea what motivated that man to do what he did. Suggesting otherwise is laughable.

    On the live stream they refuse to comment on a Racial component.


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  • #241
    FatherTed
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    Dead
    (CNN)[Breaking news update posted at 2:22 p.m. ET]

    The suspect in Wednesday's killing of two WDBJ journalists died at about 1:30 p.m. at a hospital of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, Franklin County Sheriff Bill Overton told reporters.


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