US Journalists shot dead live on air [MOD WARNING in opening post]

darkpagandeath · 26-08-2015 06:01PM

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

This is basically what I was trying to say but I couldn't quite articulate it, thanks seamus great post.

Aye if you toss people on the scrap heap and make them feel their lives are worthless guess what happens. It tends to bread behaviour that others lives are worthless as well.

Dots1982 · 26-08-2015 06:02PM

This won't be the last time this happens in terms of crazies go-proing rampages and posting it online....amateur psychology on my behalf but i think half the reason they commit these acts is to get attention for their sad forgotten lives.

darkpagandeath · 26-08-2015 06:02PM

previous user wrote: »

Was there some racist bullying going on, could that have been the motive for the guy to snap and shoot them both.

No Racist bullying from what I have read it seems to have been fabricated by the shooter. And by all accounts the shooter seemed to be unhinged and very difficult to work with.

lawlolawl · 26-08-2015 06:04PM

As other posters have pointed out, the race angle of this will be completely discarded because the mass shooter was the wrong color for the news media to get worked up about.

vienne86 · 26-08-2015 06:04PM

Crazy crazy world.

Dots1982 · 26-08-2015 06:04PM

previous user wrote: »

Was there some racist bullying going on, could that have been the motive for the guy to snap and shoot them both.

One big problem with this is that he also shot a harmless bystander.

previous user · 26-08-2015 06:05PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No Racist bullying from what I have read it seems to have been fabricated by the shooter. And by all accounts the shooter seemed to be unhinged and very difficult to work with.

If so, then bloody hell!

Witcher · 26-08-2015 06:06PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

This won't be the last time this happens in terms of crazies go-proing rampages and posting it online....amateur psychology on my behalf but i think half the reason they commit these acts is to get attention for their sad forgotten lives.

There was a psychologist kn Sky News after Sandy Hook and he said that people seeking notoriety generally see the coverage of such shootings and are encouraged by it. He said there is normally another shooting within 30 days of a major one such as Sandy Hook as a result of this effect.

Oryx · 26-08-2015 06:09PM

knird evol wrote: »

So you think that if he couldn't of purchased a legal firearm he would have lived out a normal productive life and we'd all live happily ever after. Naive.

But I didnt say that. If its hard to get a gun, chances are you wont impulsively kill someone with a gun, at least. This guy may not have lived productively, but unarmed, he probably wouldnt have killed those people today.

lawlolawl · 26-08-2015 06:10PM

Strider wrote: »

There was a psychologist kn Sky News after Sandy Hook and he said that people seeking notoriety generally see the coverage of such shootings and are encouraged by it. He said there is normally another shooting within 30 days of a major one such as Sandy Hook as a result of this effect.

Yup, the best approach to these things is to completely ignore them but that is never going to happen because the news media is vacuous.

They'll pretty much ignore the race in this case but nothing else.

conorhal · 26-08-2015 06:10PM

seamus wrote: »

It's a reflection of a poisonous ultra-capitalist society that the US has allowed to foster. When you have zero social supports for poor people, a health system that only serves the upper 20%, a for-profit education system and absolutely no individual protections in employment law, it's inevitable that the have-nots will increasingly become violent because they have nothing left to lose.

Throw in free availability of weapons and these incidents will continue happenig more frequently unless they have the good sense to move to a more socialist European model.
People tend to ask why other counties like Switzerland or Canada don't have the same problems when guns are just as available. And it's because those countries don't leave you out in the cold and piss all over you when you get sick or lose your job. The USA does.

I'd agree to a large extent, there have always been poor people however, it's not poverty that drives these particular crimes, it's narcissism.

The increasingly aggressive form of libertarian capitalism that is becoming prevalent depends on consumerism driving an extreme form of infantilized narcissism, a L'Oreal culture.
So when they girl you fancy won't date you or the job you think you deserve lets you go, or the world fails to acknowledge how special every advertisement tells you that you are, the level of disappointment and damage to the ego of such nutters can turn deadly.
Combine this with the demolition of family and social structures and you end up with an society filled with very alienated and dangerous individuals.

Countries such as Canada or Switzerland may have just as many guns, but what they don't have is the complete erasure of society, community and culture that typifies agressively libertarian capitalist economies.

So lets not fool ourselves, when I look at Ireland I see the same damn culture evolving. We used to laugh at how fat the Americas were compared to everybody else, well we're not so smug now, nor will we be all that smug when we start to see killings like this here. Where 'Murica goes 'Oirland has a bad habit of following.

Herb Powell · 26-08-2015 06:12PM

strelok wrote: »

so you want rich people to be able to defend themselves, but not poor people

how progressive

He said extensive means, not expensive means

Severard · 26-08-2015 06:12PM

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

I believe you are right in that its the gun culture that is really what is Americas problem and not the actual availability of the guns themselves, in the Nordic countries you mention guns are respected and seen as something to only be used in the form of hunting and treated with the utmost respect I believe where as in America it is my opinion that the gun culture has degraded to a right to have a gun where it is seen as something that anybody should just be allowed and as such gun ownership has lost the respect it deserves.

The trouble is I think its so deeply ingrained in America now that only massively restricting gun ownership will help with the current situation until that degraded culture can be changed over a longer period.

And if an attempt at a massive restriction is started then there would be a huge backlash from the public on it and I would not be surprised if some gun owners started shooting police who attempted to take their guns away as some of them gun owners are nut cases. And to top it all off, if guns are heavily restricted then all that will do is open up another avenue for criminals to make more money as they will sell illegal guns on the streets. Just look at the failed drugs war as an example.

In another region of the world, this time South America, gun legislation in six countries has had little impact on gun violence [1]. What all these countries have in common again is the culture surrounding guns is key.

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/does-strict-gun-legislation-reduce-violent-crime-in-latam

knird evol · 26-08-2015 06:12PM

Oryx wrote: »

But I didnt say that. If its hard to get a gun, chances are you wont impulsively kill someone with a gun, at least. This guy may not have lived productively, but unarmed, he probably wouldnt have killed those people today.

Proof of impulsiveness in this?

Sunflower 27 · 26-08-2015 06:19PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No Racist bullying from what I have read it seems to have been fabricated by the shooter. And by all accounts the shooter seemed to be unhinged and very difficult to work with.

To be fair, it is probably a little early to be saying there was no racist bullying. Whether perceived or not, something clearly happened.

I just watched the video the killer made. He says 'bitch' before he shoots the news reporter. Chilling.

May the victims RIP. What a horrible way to die. Their partners and families and friends must be inconsolable.

26-08-2015 06:20PM

A post over on Reddit has made an absolutely great point -

Whatever you hear or read today, try not to learn anything about the gunman. If the start talking about him, turn it off. Don't make him the Star of this story. RIP Reporter Alison Parker (24) and Cameraman Adam Ward (27).

Photo of reporter and cameraman.

darkpagandeath · 26-08-2015 06:23PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

To be fair, it is probably a little early to be saying there was no racist bullying. Whether perceived or not, something clearly happened.

I just watched the video the killer made. He says 'bitch' before he shoots the news reporter. Chilling.

May the victims RIP. What a horrible way to die. Their partners and families and friends must be inconsolable.

No it's not, The shooter tried that approach and got nowhere.

lawlolawl · 26-08-2015 06:25PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

To be fair, it is probably a little early to be saying there was no racist bullying.

Can't wait to get the excuses in.

Niemoj · 26-08-2015 06:26PM

I'm not surprised really, this is the country that thinks having a gun is a right and although the video isn't graphic the part where the woman tries to run away for her life really gets me. RIP.

namloc1980 · 26-08-2015 06:28PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

As other posters have pointed out, the race angle of this will be completely discarded because the mass shooter was the wrong color for the news media to get worked up about.

What the heck does that mean?

frostyjacks · 26-08-2015 06:28PM

Strider wrote: »

There was a psychologist kn Sky News after Sandy Hook and he said that people seeking notoriety generally see the coverage of such shootings and are encouraged by it. He said there is normally another shooting within 30 days of a major one such as Sandy Hook as a result of this effect.

Yes, I remember Charlie Brooker doing a piece on media reaction to these sort of shootings.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

Basically, media should try and make it as localised and boring as possible, otherwise some other lunatic out there will get ideas in their head. But I just know this is going to be played out like some kind of Hollywood movie.

The woman's boyfriend tweeting about her death was bizarre. I can only imagine his agent or someone offered to post something on his behalf to let people know how he was. I can't believe he was sitting tapping away on his phone, checking the WiFi connection etc. at a time like that. The world is going mad.

Call Me Jimmy · 26-08-2015 06:30PM

Bonkers. What can ye say with any conviction that isn't redundant?

darkpagandeath · 26-08-2015 06:30PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Can't wait to get the excuses in.

I find the disconnect in shootings in the USA weird. If it's white on black anything that is said is gospel. Black on white excuses.

RasTa · 26-08-2015 06:33PM

Here we go.... Most white on black seem to involve the police. This shooting has nothing to do with race

26-08-2015 06:33PM

For a change, how about we talk about the victims and not the shooter or gun control in America? I mean.. for once. I don't know many details about them, bar the fact that they were so young - 24 and 27.

Sunflower 27 · 26-08-2015 06:33PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No it's not, The shooter tried that approach and got nowhere.

So you know for a fact that no-one made any racist comments at all. No comments at all that could have been perceived by him to be racist. And you know that? Because you were there?

ok.

Nothing can justify what he did. It was a cowardly act and two young lives should never have been taken, but coming on here making out you know details you possibly could not is misleading.

frostyjacks · 26-08-2015 06:39PM

RasTa wrote: »

Here we go.... Most white on black seem to involve the police. This shooting has nothing to do with race

He sued another TV network for racism before he was asked to leave. Seems he played the race card and lost.

briany · 26-08-2015 06:42PM

This is a worrying evolution in the spree killer/random shooting phenomenon as well, because he's taken a video from his POV and done the whole social media thing as well. That's crazy to think the next thing will possibly be guys/girls going around taking their own video and possibly be providing their own commentary as they carry out murders, and then live tweeting about it.

That video he took is scary, not only for the "b*tch" utterance, but he holds the gun up at them ready to shoot, while they don't notice and just carry on the interview all sunny and light.

darkpagandeath · 26-08-2015 06:42PM

RasTa wrote: »

Here we go.... Most white on black seem to involve the police. This shooting has nothing to do with race

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

So you know for a fact that no-one made any racist comments at all. No comments at all that could have been perceived by him to be racist. And you know that? Because you were there?

ok.

Nothing can justify what he did. It was a cowardly act and two young lives should never have been taken, but coming on here making out you know details you possibly could not is misleading.

So the whole fact that the shooter tried the race approach and lost is coincidental ?

pmasterson95 · 26-08-2015 06:43PM

briany wrote: »

This is a worrying evolution in the spree killer/random shooting phenomenon as well, because he's taken a video from his POV and done the whole social media thing as well. That's crazy to think the next thing will possibly be guys/girls going around taking their own video and possibly be providing their own commentary as they carry out murders, and then live tweeting about it.

That video he took is scary, not only for the "b*tch" utterance, but he holds the gun up at them ready to shoot, while they don't notice and just carry on the interview all sunny and light.

Havent seen that version.

US Journalists shot dead live on air [MOD WARNING in opening post]

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