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hillsiderunner wrote: »Am allowed to cycle and swim so I'll be honing my triathlon skills in the meantime ... but I *vow* I will not be using them in a race! Never.
if you *had* to choose between A) resting from running or
being allowed to do a triathlon what would you do....I know what my answer would be! I hate to say this but I do think Tri has some advantages over running only (does that mean I'm banned from A/R now 
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if you *had* to choose between A) resting from running or being allowed to do a triathlon what would you do....I know what my answer would be! I hate to say this but I do think Tri has some advantages over running only (does that mean I'm banned from A/R now )
If I have to race the tri to be allowed to bike/swim ... course I'd do it! I can't lose any more fitness!
I agree that run/bike/swim is better for the body overall than just-running, just could not handle the training schedules ... it would wreck my head to be trying to keep all the different sports going.0 -
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You don't seem too disappointed about DCM, M? Or just philosophical at this stage?
Philosophical really ... the "acceptance" is maybe a bit extreme though ... see DGs comment on the Novices thread, I sound a bit like Boxer from Animal Farm
:Aw really sorry to hear this hilly but like you said, the decision has been made for you in a way. We really can all learn a lot from you. The philosophical way you accept your knockbacks and plough on with the bigger picture always in mind is a lesson for us all.
Am used to it now as there have been a few things over the past months; last week after the food poisoning, I was thinking that if I wasn't picking up marathon training, I would have stayed off the streets and rested the foot for longer. So now I have to. It'll be a minor stress fracture if it is one, it does hurt on a certain area of the bone, but it's not that sore and it improves a lot with rest ...
Main thing now is to mimimize the time out. *Gorgeous* weather today and predicted for the week ahead, I'd love to be out getting some miles in. Have to say though that the enforced rest lines up nicely with Festival season and my trip to Stockholm
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Had a call from my GP this afternoon as I was walking through Stockholm Central station with my suitcase searching for the metro lines. It turns out the X-ray showed some periostitis near the second metatarsal. So together with the pain on pressing the bone it suggests an early stress fracture.
Am a bit surprised the diagnosis came through with relatively little pain. I can walk a decent amount and there's only a bit of discomfort. So am not expecting a boot or anything too dramatic when I get back to Edinburgh and visit the physio.
Had not been running in the past 10 days anyhow or walking too much. Have done a few swims & the freestyle has been quite a challenge ... I thought runners are supposed to be fit
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Gorgeous weather here.
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Any idea what the treatment is, M? mainly rest?
Mainly rest, usually about 6 weeks for metatarsals, then very gradual re-introduction of running. It seems that most people diagnosed end up in a boot to immobilize the foot for at least a few weeks, and often have crutches to help take the weight off ... The Internet has very few examples of people not using the boot at all.
Rest means no running, and trying to minimize walking. The physio gave permission to swim as much as I like, and to cycle if it does not hurt the foot (it doesn't at all). Of course there was no X-ray result at that stage, so can't be sure what he'll decide when I go back to him. And can't be sure where I am in the "6 weeks of rest" ... it started over 5 weeks, but I was running a medium amount until 10 days ago ... and no boot at all. I got the impression he himself was a bit bewildered that I had (some) pain on pressing the bone, but was passing most of the other tests fine .... is different from the internet reports of sharp-pain when weight-bearing, not to mention people saying that "if you have a stress fracture, you won't be *able* to run at all". I am/was-always far far far from any of that.
Will only do swimming, cycling and kayaking till I see the physio next week :cool:.0 -
Oh excellent as I was about to check up on you. At least you know what it is and thankfully didn't continue to train on it.
Ah, I wouldn't do that (at least not if I thought it could be anything serious ...)The stairs at work are hard work so I've to try my best to appear composed and not panting on arrival. Mostly take the lift but actually after today's disaster maybe it's a sign to go back to the stairs.
What's today's disaster??? Your own disaster or something in the news? I'm on the 5th floor in my work, and often find the climb difficult ... remember starting to find it comfortable during 2014 marathon training (and similar when well into Seven Hills training) and there was the proof fitness had been gained. 0 -
hillsiderunner wrote: »What's today's disaster??? Your own disaster or something in the news? I'm on the 5th floor in my work, and often find the climb difficult ... remember starting to find it comfortable during 2014 marathon training (and similar when well into Seven Hills training) and there was the proof fitness had been gained.
As I was leaving work my keys bounced out of helmet and went clean down the lift shaft, didn't even falter as I stood there horrified. Hopefully they can get them back out today. Neighbours thankfully home and had keys so I then ran back to collect bike, had wrong lock keys, back home again and down again to get bike. No run club which was to be 5 miles easy, instead of covered 6 miles on foot and 2 cycling! Security man told me this morning that he'd tried 5 sets of keys and couldn't get them to fall down, excellent, thanks for that.0 -
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As I was leaving work my keys bounced out of helmet and went clean down the lift shaft, didn't even falter as I stood there horrified. Hopefully they can get them back out today. Neighbours thankfully home and had keys so I then ran back to collect bike, had wrong lock keys, back home again and down again to get bike. No run club which was to be 5 miles easy, instead of covered 6 miles on foot and 2 cycling! Security man told me this morning that he'd tried 5 sets of keys and couldn't get them to fall down, excellent, thanks for that.
That's a pity but you have me feeling much better ...
Came on holiday with laptop but never crossed my mind to take an adapter, and only realised at 7pm last night what I'd done. There is one piece of work I absolutely have to do from here (asap) :mad: ... so out to try the local supermarket and eventually get re-routed up to a big shopping mall a bit out of town ... and eventually tracked down a UK->Swedish adapter at around 9pm last night.
Out of the flat this morning to head for the Millenium literary tour (Girl with tattoo etc) and arrived 2-3mins late and typical Swedish punctuality meant they had gone (despite having booked in advance)!!! And (not-typical-Swedish) the phone contact for the tour did not know where they were going next ....
*anyway* back in the apartment to do the pressing bit of work and then I won't touch this machine for the next 5 days. Sun is *beating* down outside.0 -
Not sure this belongs in A/R but here goes with the details of the past couple of weeks. Had been to see the Physio on 7th August and he suspected a stress fracture, so running was banned until I had an X-ray and the results came through. Swimming is allowed, and cycling (as long as it doesn't cause pain). So ....
Sunday, 9th August: 10 miles cycle
This was planned to be a cycle of about 35-40 miles. Headed out along the coast on my bike and then after about 10 or 11 miles the chain jammed, the bike jolted and bike & myself fell to the side. Was able to put my foot down in time to stop any damage but the foot got a little jolt. Tried to sort the chain out and did a test on the path, chain jammed again
. So I had to walk a few miles back to the nearest station and get the train home. Ok, not my week ....
I ended up walking around 5miles over the Sunday, and it seemed to upset the foot for a good few days after. Sore walking for 4-5 days or even more ...
Monday, 10th August: Pilates
Wednesday, 12th August: Pilates. 1500m swim: 750m breaststroke, 750m freestyle w. breaststroke recoveries
My first trip to the pool in a couple of years: went for the 50m pool to have the novelty of longer lengths and the guarantee of deep water :cool:. Started off in the open water and started with a decent number of lengths of the old reliable breaststroke. Had been expecting to just be pootling up and down the pool but was managing to get out of breath just doing this. Sometimes stopping to rest at the wall in between lengths. 15x50m lengths of this, then the idea was to do the same of freestyle.
Moved into the lane for the freestyle and ... whoooooo, really tough. Could not finish even one single length without having to take a breaststroke recovery ... quite often a few of these were needed in a single length. And resting in between lengths as well .... Anyway was not my finest hour but made myself finish the 15lengths of the "freestyle".
Thursday, 13th August: 25miles cycle
Had taken the bike out of the menders on Wednesday night so took it out for its recovery cycle.
Friday, 14th August: 1550m swim: 800m breaststroke, 750m freestyle w. breaststroke recoveries
Had been to the GP yesterday and was booked in for an X-ray, so went round to the hospital to get that done this afternoon.
Then the evening, *raced* out of work to get a swim in before I had to go and catch my flight. Plan was similar to Wednesdays. Had planned to do one extra length of each type, but got cramp in the right foot when pushing off for the final freestyle length so got out of the pool and got changed.
The freestyle lengths started off like Wednesday's. Lightbulb moment about half-way through when I noticed I was touching the toes of the guy-in-front after getting a third of way down the pool, after I'd let him set off with a decent gap. Pacing issues clearly part of the problem :rolleyes: (though not forgetting technique and fitness). Pulled back on the effort and managed to get each of lengths 11, 13, and 14 done without any breaststroke breaks.
Weekend in Dublin hanging out with two little bouncers for Saturday and overnight, then getting up at 4am on Monday to go and catch the 6:35am flight (hate hate hate hate hate these) ... no trips to the gym or to the pool.
Monday, 17th August: 1300m swim: 750m breaststroke, 550m freestyle with breaststroke recoveries
Raced out of the office again, taking the suitcase from the weekend along with me (ginormous lockers in this place fortunately). Plan was for the same as Wednesday, but I was running late for dinner at friends' house so had to cut it short. Freestyle was tough again, and I think I lost some ground from last Friday's swim. But was very impressed with myself in managing to squeeze the swim in between the other stuff (*halo*).
Up early on Tuesday to pack for my trip and go and catch my plane (late morning this time fortunately). Then coming through Stockholm C, my phone rang and it was the GP to tell me the X-ray suggested a stress fracture of the 2nd metatarsal. Was neither surprised nor unsurprised if you know what I mean .... apart from that the sun was beating down and it's very hard to be annoyed about anything in those circumstance even if I was inclined that way.
Thursday, 20th August: 31miles cycling
Fairly relaxed pace under the gorgeous sunshine with a break for food at 21miles. Had a little dip off one of the central islands afterwards but I won't call that a swim just a bit of pootling-around.
Sunday, 23rd August: 4-5 hours kayaking
In gorgeous sunshine with a break for food. Had been expecting/hoping we'd go further in the first couple of hours, then after another hour or two I was realising we'd done plenty. Was *flattened* all evening after this.0 -
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You might surprise yourself I've kept up the swimming since January, its a really nice cross train & I find very good for loosening out the foot muscles, and, as you say, a new challenge.
Was already thinking the same thing myself in fact. Maybe one expedition to the pool every week or fortnight ... 0 -
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Sounds like you're embracing the cross training, Hilly! Good for you. And with time served already it really won't be that long until you're back running. I thought my 9 weeks not racing was going to drag but I'm on the last week now. You really deserve a good training streak after all this
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Bummer about your foot. Hope you heal quickly Good to hear your enjoying the swimming. It'll really help to keep you fit during your recovery. You should check out the sessions on the Swimming for Tri beginners thread. I know you don't think you'll like them but they'll really help your freestyle and I always enjoy the pool more of I'm doing a session. It's less boring and you have a purpose 0
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career move wrote: »Bummer about your foot. Hope you heal quickly Good to hear your enjoying the swimming. It'll really help to keep you fit during your recovery. You should check out the sessions on the Swimming for Tri beginners thread. I know you don't think you'll like them but they'll really help your freestyle and I always enjoy the pool more of I'm doing a session. It's less boring and you have a purpose
we know what you're up to, CM... stop that!!! 0 -
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career move wrote: »Bummer about your foot. Hope you heal quickly Good to hear your enjoying the swimming. It'll really help to keep you fit during your recovery. You should check out the sessions on the Swimming for Tri beginners thread. I know you don't think you'll like them but they'll really help your freestyle and I always enjoy the pool more of I'm doing a session. It's less boring and you have a purpose
Will have a look in a week or two when I have the freestyle comfortably up to full-lengths. Was at the pool again yesterday in fact and already made a bit of progress on that (will report at the end of the week). Already feeling a sense of purpose tbh in regard metres and also getting the freestyle working for full lengths!we are the borg tri forum, you have been assimilated, resistance is futile...
Did not know FD that you had a triathlon in your sights? Or it this some past history you've kept to yourself?0 -
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hillsiderunner wrote: »Will have a look in a week or two when I have the freestyle comfortably up to full-lengths. Was at the pool again yesterday in fact and already made a bit of progress on that (will report at the end of the week). Already feeling a sense of purpose tbh in regard metres and also getting the freestyle working for full lengths!
Did not know FD that you had a triathlon in your sights? Or it this some past history you've kept to yourself?
no not me!, I was quoting what career move might say if she was up to what Anna thought she was 0
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