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ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-08-2015 09:19AM

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

Not really. Fees are 3000 a year, make that over the summer easily with a bit of saving and extra hours. 20 hours a week during the semester.

Speaks someone living in a university town. 12000 won't keep a student in Dublin each year when you have to pay rent, food, utilities, travel etc. So 80 hour weeks???

You know you seem as cosseted as the people you are complaining about.

MouseTail · 22-08-2015 11:28AM

Bridget Orange Keynote wrote: »

Speaks someone living in a university town. 12000 won't keep a student in Dublin each year when you have to pay rent, food, utilities, travel etc. So 80 hour weeks???

You know you seem as cosseted as the people you are complaining about.

You think students do 60 hour weeks? And of course you can put a child through college in Dublin for less than 12k.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-08-2015 11:33AM

MouseTail wrote: »

You think students do 60 hour weeks? And of course you can put a child through college in Dublin for less than 12k.

Read the thread. I never said students do any hours. It was in reply to a comment that 20 hours would cover college costs.
I have put several children through college. 12000 per year is a conservative figure. Nothing extravagant, just the necessities. So don't tell me what it cost me , as I know.

frozenfrozen · 22-08-2015 11:38AM

anyone working to put themselves through college through necessity would be able to get SUSI grant anyway. most-all students I know 'paying their way' through a summer job are just working for their own spending money for going out drinking and paying for car insurance (nothing wrong with this but they're not fully independent). Someone in college would struggle be working enough part time hours / earning enough to pay 3k fees, college books, car + insurance, rent, and food, without the grant or without help from parents.

_Kaiser_ · 22-08-2015 12:05PM

wes wrote: »

I know of no one who get money off there parents who are adults in gainful employment. Surely, the situation would be rather uncommon.

You're joking right? What about all those who get financial help from parents when buying a house for example? Or who get to live rent free at home while they save for the deposits, or just because of circumstances.

I'd say most parents only wish that their financial responsibility to their offspring ends when they get a job.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 22-08-2015 02:13PM

I'd a part time petrol station job for most of college but my Dad would always give me €100 every Sunday before I went back, he'd say in case you need it. I'd just blow it of course.

It cost him a pretty penny sending us to college between registration fees, accommodation etc. No grants. I'm very grateful to him for it.

steddyeddy · 22-08-2015 02:17PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Jesus christ, guy makes a thread asking If parent's giving pocket money to working class adults Is strange, guy gets criticized for ONLY paying €350 a month to his parent when majority of people living with their parents don't pay a penny. OP you bad man, you're either working a sh1tty job or you're a sh1t child apparently...

He didn't mention working class.

22-08-2015 02:18PM

tigerboon wrote: »

My children will be reared so they are able to stand on their own two feet. I might have a backup for them but they won't know about it

So you wouldn't help them out with a house deposit if you had the money or bail them out if they got into financial difficulty? As an aside I hate that phrase "stand on their own two feet".

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

Not really. Fees are 3000 a year, make that over the summer easily with a bit of saving and extra hours. 20 hours a week during the semester.

Working a lot is not good for your studies though. I worked during college bit only one day a week and then all summer but the money was for nights out, petrol, lunches etc. my parents covered all college related costs such as fees etc.

Penny Tration · 22-08-2015 03:05PM

Ridge Fierce Roofing wrote: »

So you wouldn't help them out with a house deposit if you had the money or bail them out if they got into financial difficulty? As an aside I hate that phrase "stand on their own two feet".

Working a lot is not good for your studies though. I worked during college bit only one day a week and then all summer but the money was for nights out, petrol, lunches etc. my parents covered all college related costs such as fees etc.

Surely if you worked more during the summer, you could have relaxed on nights out to cover some of your own expenses instead of expecting your folks to cover it all?

22-08-2015 03:17PM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

Surely if you worked more during the summer, you could have relaxed on nights out to cover some of your own expenses instead of expecting your folks to cover it all?

They wanted to cover them, if I offered I was told that's money to spend on yourself it's our responsibility to cover education costs, accommodation costs at college (or in my case buy me a car as I wanted to live at home). I paid for petrol, insurance (when I could I would get help also at times), lunches, nights out, trips away etc.

They preferred that I could enjoy my time in college and had money to spend on myself rather then being a broke student all the time.

Rough Sleeper · 22-08-2015 05:34PM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

Surely if you worked more during the summer, you could have relaxed on nights out to cover some of your own expenses instead of expecting your folks to cover it all?

Around 18-23 are the best years for partying. Maybe Nox's parents were happy to throw him the few quid so he could live it up a bit during his best years. I also know from his posts that his parents live in a rural area so they'll need help from the family when they're old, so things come full circle and the deed is repaid.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-08-2015 05:47PM

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

I also know from his posts that his parents live in a rural area so they'll need help from the family when they're old, so things come full circle and the deed is repaid.

I don't think any parents help their children expecting a quid pro quo.

Rough Sleeper · 22-08-2015 05:51PM

Bridget Orange Keynote wrote: »

I don't think any parents help their children expecting a quid pro quo.

I'm not saying that they expect it, just that these things often have a way of balancing out in the end.

Also, I think plenty of parents do expect their kids to help them out financially if they've been successful. Most of my relatives on my mother's side have high-paying jobs and my granny has no problem putting the hand out if she needs something. I don't think there's anything wrong with that either.

steddyeddy · 22-08-2015 06:38PM

Bridget Orange Keynote wrote: »

Speaks someone living in a university town. 12000 won't keep a student in Dublin each year when you have to pay rent, food, utilities, travel etc. So 80 hour weeks???

You know you seem as cosseted as the people you are complaining about.

Of course it will! Plenty do it for a lot less.

steddyeddy · 22-08-2015 06:43PM

Ridge Fierce Roofing wrote: »

They wanted to cover them, if I offered I was told that's money to spend on yourself it's our responsibility to cover education costs, accommodation costs at college (or in my case buy me a car as I wanted to live at home). I paid for petrol, insurance (when I could I would get help also at times), lunches, nights out, trips away etc.

They preferred that I could enjoy my time in college and had money to spend on myself rather then being a broke student all the time.

But it's not only about being a rich or poor student. College is one of the first opportunities a person has to learn life skills. I don't think giving children handouts is a kindness.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-08-2015 07:37PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Of course it will! Plenty do it for a lot less.

Listen, we are not extravagant people and are used to simple living but it took at least 12000 net per year to keep our children at college. Very very few I know around here managed it for much else. You can use anecdotal argument all you like but I'm commenting from the real life experience of someone living a long distance from a university. No amount of comment will change the level of expense I know it came to. Even the students union this year advised a average budget exceeding 10k
Even in my own day university costs, excluding the fees at the time, were a huge part of a family's income.

steddyeddy · 22-08-2015 09:20PM

Bridget Orange Keynote wrote: »

Listen, we are not extravagant people and are used to simple living but it took at least 12000 net per year to keep our children at college. Very very few I know around here managed it for much else. You can use anecdotal argument all you like but I'm commenting from the real life experience of someone living a long distance from a university. No amount of comment will change the level of expense I know it came to. Even the students union this year advised a average budget exceeding 10k
Even in my own day university costs, excluding the fees at the time, were a huge part of a family's income.

I'm commenting from real life experience as a former student who survived on a lot less and as a PhD who dealt with many people from really poor backgrounds.

The back to education allowance works out at approximately 9700 euro a year. People survive on this alone. The maintenance grant is just under 6 thousand euro a year and students without parental support survive on this alone.

They survive because they have to. They have excellent life skills and I think by giving adult children handouts deprives them of that. I see the difference in students who fund themselves VS those who feel entitled to mammy and daddy's money.

Actually the student's who get funded in entirety by their parents are the ones with the most right wing views towards dole ect. they view it as a handout ironically.

hynesie08 · 22-08-2015 09:28PM

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

Around 18-23 are the best years for partying..

They are in their bollix, Necking cheap cans before heading to whatever ****ebox "club" does 3 euro drinks to listen to ****e music and try to convince some girl to give you the ride (and the clap)......

Actually i do kinda miss it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-08-2015 09:31PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Actually the student's who get funded in entirety by their parents are the ones with the most right wing views towards dole ect. they view it as a handout ironically.

Oh Lord! What a blinkered biased unfounded attitude.

I'm out of here, this has lost l semblance of reality.

steddyeddy · 22-08-2015 09:35PM

Bridget Orange Keynote wrote: »

Oh Lord! What a blinkered biased unfounded attitude.

I'm out of here, this has lost l semblance of reality.

Actually a lot of the self described recipients of their parents money on this thread are the same dole bashers you see on other threads!

I think it lost semblance of reality when you described adults going to college as needing a few thousand over the dole to survive on.

steddyeddy · 22-08-2015 09:41PM

Bridget Orange Keynote wrote: »

Listen, we are not extravagant people and are used to simple living but it took at least 12000 net per year to keep our children at college. Very very few I know around here managed it for much else. You can use anecdotal argument all you like but I'm commenting from the real life experience of someone living a long distance from a university. No amount of comment will change the level of expense I know it came to. Even the students union this year advised a average budget exceeding 10k
Even in my own day university costs, excluding the fees at the time, were a huge part of a family's income.

Sorry to requote. The student union aren't financial experts. They are generally well off students who are recipients of some of the student contribution. A few years ago they published accounts showing a one million euro void in their accounts. In other words they're crooks and/or incompetent with money.

conorh91 · 22-08-2015 09:46PM

12k a year sounds about right for putting a kid through college.

Undergraduate fees alone are €3,250, lets say another €3,500 on accommodation (9 months @ €380), and €500 per month 'survival money', including bills, groceries, course expenses, books and travel expenses (€4500).

That's €11,500, despite being frugal, and it also assumes that there will be no rent due over the summer months, which could easily push the cost €1000 higher

Hachiko · 22-08-2015 09:49PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Do u find it unusual that grown adults with jobs still get pocket money off there parents ???

I think its more of a case parents getting 'pocket money' from the grown adults with jobs.

conorh91 · 22-08-2015 09:49PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sorry to requote. The student union aren't financial experts. They are generally well off students who are recipients of some of the student contribution. .

BS.

The president of TCDSU is a former homeless worker and single mum. People involved in student welfare are often very aware of the needs of financial support.

You sound like you have a massive chip on your shoulder.

steddyeddy · 22-08-2015 09:50PM

conorh91 wrote: »

12k a year sounds about right for putting a kid through college.

Undergraduate fees alone are €3,250, lets say another €3,500 on accommodation (9 months @ €380), and €500 per month 'survival money', including bills, groceries, course expenses, books and travel expenses (€4500).

That's €11,500, despite being frugal, and it also assumes that there will be no rent due over the summer months, which could easily push the cost €1000 higher

How come students do it on a lot less? Could you break down weekly food?

conorh91 · 22-08-2015 09:51PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

How come students do it on a lot less? Could you break down weekly food?

No. €500 per month for all bills is fairly self evidently not going to allow you to eat filet mignon every night, or dining out in Patrick Gilbaud. It's a Lidl, student budget, when you consider that it has to cover every other bill as mentioned.

Monkeysgomad · 22-08-2015 09:51PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Do u find it unusual that grown adults with jobs still get pocket money off there parents ???

My sister, who is 21, is given €2000 every month she still lives at home as she is going to university in the city. I think it is common thing either way of rent or money. She is given it on the ground she goes to uni and maintains good grades. She doesn't have a job

steddyeddy · 22-08-2015 09:55PM

conorh91 wrote: »

BS.

The president of TCDSU is a former homeless worker and single mum. People involved in student welfare are often very aware of the needs of financial support.

You sound like you have a massive chip on your shoulder.

I was referring to the UCD union. Hopeless. TCD seems more in tune with student finances.

Seems like my views hit a raw nerve. I work on the real frontline with poor students. I'll respond to your last well thought out rebuttal of my points with the quote “Ad hominem is an argument of the weak and insecure.”

steddyeddy · 22-08-2015 09:56PM

conorh91 wrote: »

No. €500 per month for all bills is fairly self evidently not going to allow you to eat filet mignon every night, or dining out in Patrick Gilbaud. It's a Lidl, student budget, when you consider that it has to cover every other bill as mentioned.

100 a month for food so ~400 for the rest. Seems like a lot.

22-08-2015 10:01PM

Monkeysgomad wrote: »

My sister, who is 21, is given €2000 every month she still lives at home as she is going to university in the city. I think it is common thing either way of rent or money. She is given it on the ground she goes to uni and maintains good grades. She doesn't have a job

€2000 a month?! Jayzus. Is that a typo?

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